Earth Intruders

[Telperion]

After reading for months various articles on SOTT regarding UFO phenomenon and having just began a reading of the 'Secret History' - I began to view this song in a completely different light:

-Earth Intruders-

we are the earth intruders
we are the earth intruders
muddy with twigs and branches

turmoil! carnage!

here come the earth intruders
we are the paratroopers
stampede of sharpshooters
comes right from voodoo

with our feet thumping
with our feet marching
grinding skeptics into the soil

shower of goodness
coming to end the doubt pouring over
shower of goodness coming to end

we are the earth intruders
we are the sharp shooters
flock of parashooters
necessary voodoo

I have guided my bones
through some voltage
and loved them still
and loved them too

metallic carnage!
feriocity!
feel the speed!

we are the earth intruders
we are the sharp shooters
flock of parashooters
necessary voodoo

there is turmoil out there
carnage! rambling!
what is to do but dig
dig bones out of earth

mudgraves! timber!
morbid trenches!

here come the earth intruders
stampede of resistance
we are the canoneers
necessary voodoo

and the beast
with many heads
and arms rolling
steamroller!

we are the earth intruders
we are the earth intruders
muddy with twigs and branches

(forgive this tribe)

we are the earth intruders
we are the earth intruders
muddy with twigs and branches

we are the earth intruders
muddy with twigs and branches
we are the earth intruders

we are the earth intruders
muddy with twigs and branches
marching

we are the earth intruders
muddy with twigs and branches
marching

march

march

march

~Bjork~

Bjork has always struck me as supremely connected to whatever is really going on. This song confirms this for me once again.

 

[mada85]

Telperion, perhaps you could explain how you see these lyrics relating to the UFO phenomenon, and how they confirm for you that 'Bjork has always struck me as supremely connected to whatever is really going on'?

 

[Tigersoap]

I thought this was a song about Ents.

 

[Telperion]

Telperion, perhaps you could explain how you see these lyrics relating to the UFO phenomenon, and how they confirm for you that 'Bjork has always struck me as supremely connected to whatever is really going on'?

When you consider the lyrics to this song in conjunction with the idea of 'The Overlords of Entropy', reading metaphorically between the lines you may discover what I noticed. Or not, I don't know. Music is open to interpretation, that is its nature. Björk as an artist though has almost always been either blatantly or quietly promoting higher awareness and esoteric considerations of a genuine higher nature. As someone who has closely listened to K.U.K.L, The Sugarcubes and all of her solo work I can say with certainty that she is definitely on the "Being" team, not the "non-Being" team...Of course as with any artist she admits to an evolution of sorts from her early ideas to her present state of awareness. That evolution is quite interesting to observe in and of itself though.

 

[anart]

As someone who has closely listened to K.U.K.L, The Sugarcubes and all of her solo work I can say with certainty that she is definitely on the "Being" team, not the "non-Being" team...

What possible objective data could you have to support such an assertion? Once again - opinion stated as fact. You cannot, by definition, have objective data to support such a conclusion. If this were the first thread in which you have stated your opinion as fact, then it would not be such a noise factor on this forum, but it is apparently a pattern. Please work to keep the noise level down in your posts.

 

[Telperion]

As someone who has closely listened to K.U.K.L, The Sugarcubes and all of her solo work I can say with certainty that she is definitely on the "Being" team, not the "non-Being" team...

What possible objective data could you have to support such an assertion? Once again - opinion stated as fact. You cannot, by definition, have objective data to support such a conclusion. If this were the first thread in which you have stated your opinion as fact, then it would not be such a noise factor on this forum, but it is apparently a pattern. Please work to keep the noise level down in your posts.

Does intuitive interpretation of an artists' musical work count for nothing? I didn't just fall off the cabbage patch you know, and being more than superficially acquainted with music and its negative and positive effects I feel that I can make certain statements without them falling squarely into the realm of opinion. I'm not convinced my thoughts on this should be categorized as "noise". The artist I am speaking of has purposely shunned the commercial/marketable realm in favor of producing music of substance, has invoked on many occasions positive esoteric themes in her work and continues to fight for artistic integrity. Because I cannot interview this person and ask her "are you working for good or for evil?" there is really no objective way to reach the conclusions I have other than by close observation. I'm fairly sure however that she is not an agent of COINTELPRO or whatever but can I prove this? Of course I can't but this is where the artists music speaks for itself. If someone tried to tell me that Snoop Dog or 50 Cent or Eminem were sources of positive energies I would have to look at them askance. Bjork however is far and beyond these cash cow negative energy producers.

from Azur's 'Being' post - "It illuminates a truth." - all I am doing is stating what has been illuminated for me by this artist.

 

[anart]

Does intuitive interpretation of an artists' musical work count for nothing? I didn't just fall off the cabbage patch you know,

Self-importance.

and being more than superficially acquainted with music and its negative and positive effects

Purely subject - 'positive and negative effects' .

I feel that I can make certain statements without them falling squarely into the realm of opinion. I'm not convinced my thoughts on this should be categorized as "noise".

Self-importance

The artist I am speaking of has purposely shunned the commercial/marketable realm in favor of producing music of substance, has invoked on many occasions positive esoteric themes in her work and continues to fight for artistic integrity.

Have you ever met her or talked with her or lived with her - face to face for a period of time? Do you have any idea whatsoever who she is other than 'how her music makes you feel'? Subjective.

Because I cannot interview this person and ask her "are you working for good or for evil?" there is really no objective way to reach the conclusions I have other than by close observation. I'm fairly sure however that she is not an agent of COINTELPRO or whatever but can I prove this? Of course I can't but this is where the artists music speaks for itself. If someone tried to tell me that Snoop Dog or 50 Cent or Eminem were sources of positive energies I would have to look at them askance. Bjork however is far and beyond these cash cow negative energy producers.

from Azur's 'Being' post - "It illuminates a truth." - all I am doing is stating what has been illuminated for me by this artist.

You are wholly missing the point. This is not a 'chat room' - this is a research forum and this is not about Azur or anyone else, it is about Telperion who has posted 66 posts in a week and has yet to listen to requests to read more and post less. Your self-importance is astounding. Just because a thought crosses your mind does not mean that members of this forum need to read it, or that it adds any objective data whatsoever to the discussion.

Apologies for being so blunt, but you clearly are not understanding what is being said to you when it is said gently. Hopefully this will get through - as will this: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=3168.msg58168#msg58168 .

 

[Telperion]

Does intuitive interpretation of an artists' musical work count for nothing? I didn't just fall off the cabbage patch you know,

Self-importance.

and being more than superficially acquainted with music and its negative and positive effects

Purely subject - 'positive and negative effects' .

I feel that I can make certain statements without them falling squarely into the realm of opinion. I'm not convinced my thoughts on this should be categorized as "noise".

Self-importance

The artist I am speaking of has purposely shunned the commercial/marketable realm in favor of producing music of substance, has invoked on many occasions positive esoteric themes in her work and continues to fight for artistic integrity.

Have you ever met her or talked with her or lived with her - face to face for a period of time? Do you have any idea whatsoever who she is other than 'how her music makes you feel'? Subjective.

Because I cannot interview this person and ask her "are you working for good or for evil?" there is really no objective way to reach the conclusions I have other than by close observation. I'm fairly sure however that she is not an agent of COINTELPRO or whatever but can I prove this? Of course I can't but this is where the artists music speaks for itself. If someone tried to tell me that Snoop Dog or 50 Cent or Eminem were sources of positive energies I would have to look at them askance. Bjork however is far and beyond these cash cow negative energy producers.

from Azur's 'Being' post - "It illuminates a truth." - all I am doing is stating what has been illuminated for me by this artist.

You are wholly missing the point. This is not a 'chat room' - this is a research forum and this is not about Azur or anyone else, it is about Telperion who has posted 66 posts in a week and has yet to listen to requests to read more and post less. Your self-importance is astounding. Just because a thought crosses your mind does not mean that members of this forum need to read it, or that it adds any objective data whatsoever to the discussion.

Apologies for being so blunt, but you clearly are not understanding what is being said to you when it is said gently. Hopefully this will get through - as will this: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=3168.msg58168#msg58168 .

I'm sorry if this is how you feel, but I have read many many posts on this forum...and frankly I do not see much a difference between my offerings and many others. However I will not let that fact deter me, I will continue to post and if you want to ban me fine - but I will not be bullied into silence. I posted on the music forum that says and I quote "Are you a musician? Do you write music? Do you just LIKE music? Share it and discuss it here." ? My posts on other threads aside, your persecution of my post on this particular topic thread is incomprehensible.

 

[anart]

I'm sorry if this is how you feel, but I have read many many posts on this forum

It is not how I 'feel'. 'Feel' has absolutely nothing to do with it. You do not understand this because how you 'feel' directs everything you do (according to your behavior on this forum - which is all the data currently available).

...and frankly I do not see much a difference between my offerings and many others.

Of course you don't, because you see things from a very specific perspective - a very narrow lens. You also do not understand this, but are self-impressed enough to disregard repeated attempts to have it explained to you.

However I will not let that fact deter me, I will continue to post

Of course you will, because all that matters is Telperion and his veiw of the world. Your statements here, on this thread: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8101.msg57853#msg57853

My daily habit since about July of last year is to hop on this forum and peruse...I began posting on it myself sporadically, whenever I felt I had something to say. Like most newcomers, I felt the sting of a forum veteran's criticism. My particular rebuke came after I'd posted a topic which had already been discussed in detail. I did get angry at first, then realized this forum operates like no other. It is meant to be efficient, economical, and to the point because sharing knowledge is serious business. Time-wasters, show-offs, and endless speculators are not welcome and are usually run off with tails between their legs. Having said that, I've noticed a pattern in many newcomers: they post a lot until they run into a disagreement with a "vet;" then they get offended and either disappear or (like me) take it in stride and come back after a deliberate re-reading of forum rules. Must be part of the whole learning process...

Yes I agree with your thoughts, some people on here can come across as blunt or just plain rude but a person who is truly seeking knowledge will not be put off so easily. The rules are what they are and those who value this site will take it all in stride I suppose.

...are so telling at this point - you didn't even understand that Ominous was referring to you! (self-importance) - yet you have such confidence in your own understanding of everything! (self-importance) And you write, 'those who value this site' - (as if you do, which you don't or you would actually listen to the feedback you are given and change your behavior)

and if you want to ban me fine - but I will not be bullied into silence.

It has nothing to do with 'bullying' - you are not a victim - though your self-importance just flipped into 'poor me' - you do not understand this, and show no intention whatsoever that you are willing to learn.

I posted on the music forum that says and I quote "Are you a musician? Do you write music? Do you just LIKE music? Share it and discuss it here." ? My posts on other threads aside, your persecution of my post on this particular topic thread is incomprehensible.

No - your posts on other threads are not 'aside' - your posts on other threads are exactly why it became necessary to explain things to you more clearly. It is all related and cumulative - yet - you do not understand that and seem quite unwilling to learn.

It appears this forum is not for you. I could be mistaken and your "I will continue to post" could be yet another emotional reaction - however, at this point in time it certainly appears that until you can get your self-importance under control, this forum is not for you.

 

[Azur]

It appears this forum is not for you. I could be mistaken and your "I will continue to post" could be yet another emotional reaction - however, at this point in time it certainly appears that until you can get your self-importance under control, this forum is not for you.

It seems to be the case.

His quoting of a post of mine, left out some important bits, which indicates a pattern of resistance to integrate what has been shown to him/her. To whit:

from Azur's 'Being' post - "It illuminates a truth." - all I am doing is stating what has been illuminated for me by this artist.

That little bit from which it was extracted, has much more meaning when in context, and is probably apropos in this case:

They fear their fire will consume them... and it can.

But for those with the courage to face it,

It illuminates a truth.

 

[mada85]

Telperion, you did not address part of my question, which was: ' perhaps you could explain how you see these lyrics relating to the UFO phenomenon'. I asked this because you wrote:

After reading for months various articles on SOTT regarding UFO phenomenon and having just began a reading of the 'Secret History' – I began to view this song in a completely different light:

Which led to me wonder how you saw the UFO phenomenon in these lyrics, whether metaphorical or otherwise. The lyrics look more like the outpourings of Bjork's self-importance as a 'great artist', and do not appear to have anything whatsoever to do with UFOs.

When you consider the lyrics to this song in conjunction with the idea of 'The Overlords of Entropy', reading metaphorically between the lines you may discover what I noticed. Or not, I don't know.

Self importance on your part, and an attempt to boost your ego by belittling me.

Björk as an artist though has almost always been either blatantly or quietly promoting higher awareness and esoteric considerations of a genuine higher nature.

Please present your evidence for this statement.

Because I cannot interview this person and ask her "are you working for good or for evil?" there is really no objective way to reach the conclusions I have other than by close observation.

All your writings about Bjork are subjective. You are not presenting any new data, only your subjective impressions of Bjork's music, who you have had absolutely no contact with whatsoever. These impressions arise in you for the sole reason that Bjork's music agrees with your machine, in a purely mechanical way, and that is the content of your 'close observation'.

I'm fairly sure however that she is not an agent of COINTELPRO or whatever but can I prove this?

This impression arises in you for the sole reason that Bjork's music agrees with your machine, in a purely mechanical way.

from Azur's 'Being' post - "It illuminates a truth."

Please provide a link.
You are using this phrase as justification for your own subjective opinions.

…and frankly I do not see much a difference between my offerings and many others

Actually, Telperion, the difference between your posts and 'many others' was immediately obvious to me, and 'many others'.

I will not be bullied into silence

You are not being 'bullied into silence': you are being asked to present evidence to justify your assertions, and not to present opinions as facts.

My posts on other threads aside, your persecution of my post on this particular topic thread is incomprehensible.

This really is self importance, as Anart has pointed out. This is not 'persecution': you are being asked to present evidence to justify your assertions, and not to present opinions as facts.

It appears this forum is not for you.

Anart has a point, which you may want to consider carefully.