earth is not orbiting the sun

Don Diego

Don Diego

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Don't know if what Nassim Haramein claims is relevant, anyway it makes sense. What a wonderful spiraling dance of both our planet and our DNA across the universe;it could also explain the power of spinning.

After seeing this a flat orbit as we've been taught reminds me flat earth concept

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NH5yK3ZN54&feature=related
 
Well I don't know to be able to comment on it scientifically, but the idea makes sense that we are indeed traveling through space and so tracing out spirals as we go. It strikes a chord just on the level of it being a rather beautiful image, and we like spirals! The guy lost my attention though at "leaving an imprint of our dna as we travel through space", which seemed to me to be drifting off into la-la land. I must admit to never having conceived it in this way before, the standard model would still seems to be a useful tool though for tracking movements relative to the sun.
 
Nassim isn't the first person to talk about this... I've read it before though I can't remember exactly where.
 
For me it's nothing extraordinary regarding physics. It is just a matter of frame of reference. What is interesting is to visualise the planet's movement in the frame of the galaxy. But it does not exclude the movement around the sun which is ecliptic in its frame.

I hope I'm clear : A movement is always relative to a reference (Except for the light apparently). For instance, you can do a circle with your hand in a car. When the car is in movement, for a person outside, it will trace a spiral.
 
Heaalih said:
For me it's nothing extraordinary regarding physics. It is just a matter of frame of reference.
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Exactly. And, as I said, he's not the first person to talk about it. I'll keep trying to remember who the other guy was who pointed this out a long time ago - a famous scientist if I remember correctly.
 
Laura said:
Heaalih said:
For me it's nothing extraordinary regarding physics. It is just a matter of frame of reference.
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Exactly. And, as I said, he's not the first person to talk about it. I'll keep trying to remember who the other guy was who pointed this out a long time ago - a famous scientist if I remember correctly.
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Not sure who else said it, but I know Ouspensky did in ISOTM (and New Model of the Universe, I believe).
 
If this "spiraling" is the case. Then it leads me to wonder why the constellations seem to remain in their places for such a long period of time. If our star/planets are moving this way, then it would seem to be natural to think other stars& their planets( constellations) behave the same way & thus all should be moving "apart/closer " in relation to all others. Over time they would appear to change. Perhaps due to the great distances, it is not easily perceived.
Interesting.
:)
 
Laura said:
Exactly. And, as I said, he's not the first person to talk about it. I'll keep trying to remember who the other guy was who pointed this out a long time ago - a famous scientist if I remember correctly.
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Could it be Kozyrev with his torsion field theory (spin field)?

http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/tors/tors.html

For sure there's no "groundbreaking news" actually. Just a beautiful dynamic mental image, a great cosmic ballet, each one of us at the very center of the movement, and above all what correlations with sacred dances and/or movements?
Just a mental tool to manage to tune better physically with Universe "spin"
 
MnSportsman said:
If this "spiraling" is the case. Then it leads me to wonder why the constellations seem to remain in their places for such a long period of time. If our star/planets are moving this way, then it would seem to be natural to think other stars& their planets( constellations) behave the same way & thus all should be moving "apart/closer " in relation to all others. Over time they would appear to change. Perhaps due to the great distances, it is not easily perceived.
Interesting.
:)
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They don't. It's called Precession. And we don't know that it goes "around and around" as some propose because nobody's ever been able to establish clearly what it is. Newton came up with some cock and bull story about it and that's been the theory ever since. This topic has occupied me to some extent over the past few years. Funny that after I wrote about it extensively, including in Secret History, pointing out that nobody seemed to have a clue, suddenly, there appeared an allegedly comprehensive explanation on Wikipedia. Don't buy it. Read "Lost Star of Myth and Time" for some interesting speculations on these issues. It's not a real scientific book - though he tries - but it raises some interesting questions, for sure!
 
Laura said:
MnSportsman said:
If this "spiraling" is the case. Then it leads me to wonder why the constellations seem to remain in their places for such a long period of time. If our star/planets are moving this way, then it would seem to be natural to think other stars& their planets( constellations) behave the same way & thus all should be moving "apart/closer " in relation to all others. Over time they would appear to change. Perhaps due to the great distances, it is not easily perceived.
Interesting.
:)
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They don't. It's called Precession. And we don't know that it goes "around and around" as some propose because nobody's ever been able to establish clearly what it is. Newton came up with some -John Thomas- and bull story about it and that's been the theory ever since. This topic has occupied me to some extent over the past few years. Funny that after I wrote about it extensively, including in Secret History, pointing out that nobody seemed to have a clue, suddenly, there appeared an allegedly comprehensive explanation on Wikipedia. Don't buy it. Read "Lost Star of Myth and Time" for some interesting speculations on these issues. It's not a real scientific book - though he tries - but it raises some interesting questions, for sure!
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Maybe this is just the intended effect of The Vail - to make us believe that "nothing" changes in Universe by showing us always the same picture in the heavens - that could be the a Main reason for making such a programmed device of Space technology?
 
I will look up the term, "Precession", & see if I can understand its' meaning & context, as you mention it in regard to stars/planets(constellations) & how they are perceived to many of us, at this time.

In regard to Walter Cruttendens' "Lost Star of Myth and Time".... As close as I will get, it appears to me, until I can see if our local rural library can find a copy that I can borrow from them, will be a review I found. (As I am sure many understand...our funds at this time, do not allow me the luxury of ordering many things not needed to live in our world today. At another time, it would have been an easy purchase. There are many books I would like to read, that I would prefer to have in my possession. Including "Secret History".... Current circumstances make those type of purchases very unlikely.) The link I will "munge" & provide, is the review I previously mentioned:
-http://archaeology.about.com/od/booksandbooklists/a/cruttenden.htm

I hope the review does the book some justice. It appears to be a "good read" for anyone that is interested.

Thank you for bringing it to my/our attention. I hope I am able to get it on loan from the local library.

:-)

TY & Respects to all,
JB/MnSportsman
 
And the moon does it too as it follows the earth around the sun. Not sure what he means by the DNA comment, I lost him on that one.
 
MnSportsman said:
I will look up the term, "Precession", & see if I can understand its' meaning & context, as you mention it in regard to stars/planets(constellations) & how they are perceived to many of us, at this time.

In regard to Walter Cruttendens' "Lost Star of Myth and Time".... As close as I will get, it appears to me, until I can see if our local rural library can find a copy that I can borrow from them, will be a review I found. (As I am sure many understand...our funds at this time, do not allow me the luxury of ordering many things not needed to live in our world today. At another time, it would have been an easy purchase. There are many books I would like to read, that I would prefer to have in my possession. Including "Secret History".... Current circumstances make those type of purchases very unlikely.) The link I will "munge" & provide, is the review I previously mentioned:
-http://archaeology.about.com/od/booksandbooklists/a/cruttenden.htm

I hope the review does the book some justice. It appears to be a "good read" for anyone that is interested.
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You can also check out this sott focus: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/230480-Is-the-Sun-Part-of-a-Binary-Star-System-Six-Reasons-to-Consider
 
Thank you, Approaching Infinity, for that article/link. It has helped me understand "precession', & has given me further interest in trying to get a copy of that book to read.

I appreciate all of your help.
:)

SAO, perhaps the "helix/spiral" that is offtimes shown to represent DNA,( his term was "gene structure" at 3:45-3:46/5:57) is what mas meant in the comparison?
That was the way I seemed to understand it.
 
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