Torvedana
A Disturbance in the Force
Well, after much time without an initial contribution to the forum, here I would like to share with all some thoughts that I had when speaking to a friend the general scheme of the STS dominion over the Earth (i.e., how civilization is basically a farm to feed our overseers.)
As I was trying to explain him what they were feeding on in a clear enough way, I found myself asking the question: how is it possible that negative emotions radiate the energy from which they feed? What is it about negative emotions that they specifically need to survive? Why can't they use positive emotions instead? I first tried to define the characteristic(s) that distinguish one kind from the other, and I visualized that negative emotions would be a dispersal of energy, as in an increase of entropy by a thermodynamic system that dissipates heat to its environment, whereas postive emotions would be an optimal utilization of energy. Positive emotions would be different in that the individual wouldn't be losing energy, but instead using it on oneself. I then imagined the whole Earth, dissipating energy from every single human being whose consciousness was lost to the rush of anger, to the hypnotizing distractions of the media, to the terrible feelings of their own fears and preocupations... and then I understood just what a banquet the Earth really is for them. Negative emotions is the accesible source of nurishment for them, because it is liberated without any control, while posotive ones are difficult, if not impossible, to obtain.
Of course, this made me realize that the production of emotions requires energy, just as any industrial process requires some kind of energy input to produce its goods. Any muscular action takes up energy, the brain uses a LOT of the body's energy, and somehow thougths are related to the brain, and so on... So our emotions were being produced and this in turn necessitates energy from us. That's where Gurdjieff comes in: I remembered what he said to Ouspensky about humans being just factories, and how the conscious shock was responsible for obtaining more energy from our nourishment, specifically air. A connected all this to the chemical process of catalysis. From Wikipedia:
Clearly Gurdjieff saw a lot of parallels between the psychological processes of a human being and the realm of chemical reactions. Chemistry plays a very important role in his system that I still cannot fathom. (Maybe we could take the chance to talk about that topic in here as well!) So what the first lines of Wikipedia's entry are saying is essentially that a catalyst optimizes the energy used/liberated during the reaction! So the analogy that I came with is that the act of self-remembering is the equivalent of catalysis, in which consciousness acts as the catalyst that optimizes our internal energy so as to produce better quality emotions/feelings/thoughts/actions, which in turn would allow us to produce higher quality end-products (Gurdjieff's hydrogen-notation, for example). This made a lot of sense to me, and is something that pertains directly to one of the C's main points: that knowledge protects; if these creatures can only feed from the wasted "heat" of our consciousness vibrating at a frequency band that stands for "negative emotions" (or emotions that make one forget-oneself), then using self-remembrance as a catalyst would reduce the amount of energy given freely to them, and in turn makes us "produce" states of consciousness of a superior quality.
Another thing that got my attention from the Wikipedia entry was that a catalyst is not consumed, are not affected by the reaction itself, but only influence it somehow, and then they are recycled! Just like consciousness, like mind, which is eternal... it is constantly recycled through experiences, but never actually lost nor augmented.
I would like to hear from your ideas on this topic, which seems to me quite interesting... How different ideas interconnect: the C's, Gurdjieff, physics, chemistry... On that note, although I said that positive emotions would be not available to the 4D STS beings, I actually believe that that isn't the case. For, what counts as a positive emotion? I mean, sexual pleasure could certainly be a positive emotion, wouldn't it? And yet, it makes sense to me that these beings are also taking advantage of sexual intercourse. Then there's happiness, cheerfulness, for example: sometimes it is such that it seems rather like a waste of energy, just like anger. So I think that positive emotions refer more to a state of tranquillity, of peace of mind, just as the Buddhist and the Stoics aimed for (ataraxia, apatheia, etc.)
What excites me is this scheme in which a positive state of mind (rather than an "emotion") not only is a finer source of nourishment, but also it is only available for us: so Lizzies et al are receiving poor quality food but in great quantity, and those who progress in the Work are able to cut off that channel of bleeding and refocus it to themselves: what food we receive we process it then to produce a <<new being>>, to be reborn. It is, after all, a matter of personal economics, of managing the household, the factory, and preventing thieves from taking from our land.
I would like to look into classifications of states of mind in terms of energy. Maybe chakras have something to do with it, or there is an ancient system (Samkhya is the first thing that comes into mind, albeit randomly) that once recognized this as Gurdjieff did. I hope this makes sense and that I made myself clear with my English!
As I was trying to explain him what they were feeding on in a clear enough way, I found myself asking the question: how is it possible that negative emotions radiate the energy from which they feed? What is it about negative emotions that they specifically need to survive? Why can't they use positive emotions instead? I first tried to define the characteristic(s) that distinguish one kind from the other, and I visualized that negative emotions would be a dispersal of energy, as in an increase of entropy by a thermodynamic system that dissipates heat to its environment, whereas postive emotions would be an optimal utilization of energy. Positive emotions would be different in that the individual wouldn't be losing energy, but instead using it on oneself. I then imagined the whole Earth, dissipating energy from every single human being whose consciousness was lost to the rush of anger, to the hypnotizing distractions of the media, to the terrible feelings of their own fears and preocupations... and then I understood just what a banquet the Earth really is for them. Negative emotions is the accesible source of nurishment for them, because it is liberated without any control, while posotive ones are difficult, if not impossible, to obtain.
Of course, this made me realize that the production of emotions requires energy, just as any industrial process requires some kind of energy input to produce its goods. Any muscular action takes up energy, the brain uses a LOT of the body's energy, and somehow thougths are related to the brain, and so on... So our emotions were being produced and this in turn necessitates energy from us. That's where Gurdjieff comes in: I remembered what he said to Ouspensky about humans being just factories, and how the conscious shock was responsible for obtaining more energy from our nourishment, specifically air. A connected all this to the chemical process of catalysis. From Wikipedia:
(enfasis mine.)
Clearly Gurdjieff saw a lot of parallels between the psychological processes of a human being and the realm of chemical reactions. Chemistry plays a very important role in his system that I still cannot fathom. (Maybe we could take the chance to talk about that topic in here as well!) So what the first lines of Wikipedia's entry are saying is essentially that a catalyst optimizes the energy used/liberated during the reaction! So the analogy that I came with is that the act of self-remembering is the equivalent of catalysis, in which consciousness acts as the catalyst that optimizes our internal energy so as to produce better quality emotions/feelings/thoughts/actions, which in turn would allow us to produce higher quality end-products (Gurdjieff's hydrogen-notation, for example). This made a lot of sense to me, and is something that pertains directly to one of the C's main points: that knowledge protects; if these creatures can only feed from the wasted "heat" of our consciousness vibrating at a frequency band that stands for "negative emotions" (or emotions that make one forget-oneself), then using self-remembrance as a catalyst would reduce the amount of energy given freely to them, and in turn makes us "produce" states of consciousness of a superior quality.
Another thing that got my attention from the Wikipedia entry was that a catalyst is not consumed, are not affected by the reaction itself, but only influence it somehow, and then they are recycled! Just like consciousness, like mind, which is eternal... it is constantly recycled through experiences, but never actually lost nor augmented.
I would like to hear from your ideas on this topic, which seems to me quite interesting... How different ideas interconnect: the C's, Gurdjieff, physics, chemistry... On that note, although I said that positive emotions would be not available to the 4D STS beings, I actually believe that that isn't the case. For, what counts as a positive emotion? I mean, sexual pleasure could certainly be a positive emotion, wouldn't it? And yet, it makes sense to me that these beings are also taking advantage of sexual intercourse. Then there's happiness, cheerfulness, for example: sometimes it is such that it seems rather like a waste of energy, just like anger. So I think that positive emotions refer more to a state of tranquillity, of peace of mind, just as the Buddhist and the Stoics aimed for (ataraxia, apatheia, etc.)
What excites me is this scheme in which a positive state of mind (rather than an "emotion") not only is a finer source of nourishment, but also it is only available for us: so Lizzies et al are receiving poor quality food but in great quantity, and those who progress in the Work are able to cut off that channel of bleeding and refocus it to themselves: what food we receive we process it then to produce a <<new being>>, to be reborn. It is, after all, a matter of personal economics, of managing the household, the factory, and preventing thieves from taking from our land.
I would like to look into classifications of states of mind in terms of energy. Maybe chakras have something to do with it, or there is an ancient system (Samkhya is the first thing that comes into mind, albeit randomly) that once recognized this as Gurdjieff did. I hope this makes sense and that I made myself clear with my English!
and is easily generalizes me to a smorgasbord of other energy-draining habits. :)
