Erhard Landmann's Book "Weltbilderschütterung"

[freed1305]

Is there any thruth or maybe say something to follow up in the work
of Mr. Erhard Landmann, his book called "Weltbilderschütterung"
He claims that all languages was one in the past based on
the "elidiutische Spraha" which is the former language to all
tongues world wide. He found out how to read hieroglyphics
Maya, Egypts etc. He found out that Maya and old South American
tongues are nearly congruent to that elidiutische Spraha.
He further reports that old scripts where
translated wrongly and he found out the these are reporting
from Ufo's, flying saucers, and also a war which happens
long long time ago in the sky or say space above the earth.
All this is corresponding to the old Indian transripts vedas
and much other material i.e. the war that the cass. reported....etc.

Is he a misunderstood genius or a jerk?
How accurate is his material?

 

[Stranger]

Unfortunately the book is only published in German. So you probably won't find anyone here, who has read it. I can't say much about this book either, I came across this book a few years ago but for me there were other important topics so I had never the urge to read it. I read a few citations though and found it interesting, but since I was no expert on this topic I neglected it.

 

[Palinurus]

Hi freed1305,

As it so happens, SotT carries an article today about this subject (see: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/227233-Kiwi-Discovers-Mother-of-Language) with very specific data that seem to contradict what little you summarized above. I've never heard of the author you are mentioning, nor of the title of his book (I can read German when really needed) - but I'm not a specialist in this field just an interested bystander, so that doesn't mean much.

As you seem to have read his book, you be the judge whether Quentin Atkinson goes in the same direction as Landmann. Please let us know your take on that if possible.

I also seem to remember a thread about this subject and did a search for it - but apparently I didn't have the proper searchterms to be successful... Sorry about that.

 

[Ottershrew]

Hi Freed1305

You could try using the word "Nostratic" as a search-term on this forum. That brings up a lot of discussions.

The C's have responded to some questions on this:

Q: (L) ... If Nostratic is a valid linguistic unit, does it essentially represent the original language of the Kantekkians? Well, I guess we ought to break that down and ask it: Is Nostratic a valid linguistic unit?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Okay, does it essentially represent the original language of the Kantekkians?

A: Half.

Q: (L) What do you mean by "half"?

A: Half belongs to earth. There was blending at a very early stage.

Q: (L) Okay. So the next question is: The putative Nostratic speakers in East Asia include the Asians that I think were the original shamans which I've discussed in Secret History and elsewhere, Altaic speakers in particular. So if this is the case, and if Nostratic as a linguistic group can be correlated with an original population from Kantek, does that mean that both the early shamans of East Asia and the circle-people of Europe (with the pyramid people further south) have their origins on Kantek?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And does the difference in phenotype between the two groups indicate admixture of the East Asian Kantekkians with a more native group that was already on Earth?

A: Yes. And notice the ongoing dispute over the "out of Africa" versus the "out of Asia" groups. It is an improper assumption. Out of Kantek vs out of Earth is a better formulation.

Some suggested places to start here on the forum:
Psychopathy Questions;
There are some Nostratic-English dictionary?.

And here is some possibly useful background information:
Borean languages;
Nostratic languages.

 

[Ottershrew]

I remember reading some material by Landmann, and I'm sorry - it completely slipped my mind, or I'd have mentioned it before.

Landmann has done a lot of work on all sorts of ancient texts, which he believes he can read by breaking the words down until resonances with an old form of German appear.

Here's a taste of his writing as translated into English. This is from a paper he wrote on the Voynich manuscript (abbreviated in this quotation as "VMS"), which he believed he could read. In fact, he said the decipherment was "a relatively simple task":

At the illustration of the star Aldebaran in the VMS you can clearly see the letters “AN”. Also you can
see a “M” and “i.” So “Mani” is written there, the name of the ancestor of mankind. It’s being said that
there are two places in the Christian Bible (in Isaiah and Mathew), which announce the alleged
coming of Jesus. But there it is written: “E Manu hel”, the God “Manu from Hel” (from the universe).
I mentioned before that Christmas in the north is called Julfest, the celebration of the arrival of the
ancestors from Jul, the ancestor Mani from Hel. About the name Aldebaran: “beran” means “gebären,
erzeugen hervorbringen” [to bear, to create, to bring about], “alde” means “old” but also “high”.
Aldebaran also means: „where the elders, the ancestors were born” or the “Hochwohlgeborenen” [the
high-born]. It also could be read as “al” and “de”, “al” = “Weltall” [universe] and “de” = “von da”
[from there], then it would mean: “born there in the universe”. But both versions say that the ancestors
came from there. The alleged Arab names (Arabic was only a good old-German, see my book
“Weltbilderschütterung” [Shattering Worldviews]) are supposed to be “Addabaran” and “Hadl al
hajm”, meaning the “Allheim”, the “Heim im All” [home in space] (for all who still have doubts). On
page f107v there is still the name readable, the 12th from above. There you see “Hamal.” “Hamal,
hamul” is in the old-German language “Hammel” [mutton] (therefore the constellation Aries, which
belonged to the Ur). But “hamal” also can mean “ham im all, heim im all” [home in space]. The
Basques speak in old texts about the “hamalau.” “Au, Aue, owi, awa, awi” is not only a water meadow
[Flussaue] but can also mean “island”. The Basques translate today “hamalau” as the number
“fourteen” but they are just victims of the language confusion like nearly all other peoples. “Hamalau”
is the (inhabited) “island in space” from where the ancestors came. The Hungarian language marks the
end of it. There “odavalo” and “odavaloan” means “to belong.” Humans thus belonged in the “od au
im all” [island od in space] or the “Ahn ist in die od au im al” hingehörig [the ancestor to the island od
in space belongs]. But that’s not enough, “odavan” means “absent, away” the “ancestor is (today)
away from the island od in space”. And finally there is the word “odanyul” the “od ancestor from yul”
which today is translated as “to reach, to long.”

Make of this what you will. For myself, I don't think he can read the Voynich manuscript. It's probably a forgery and written in gibberish. All in all, and fwiw, I don't find his views very convincing - it really is pretty unlikely that medieval German is the Ursprache.

 

[Palinurus]

Thank you Ottershrew for your kind explanations.

So we should characterize his contribution more like a sort of science fantasy rather than like solid scientific research, I would think. Suspected as much from the start, really. Looked too good to be true in the first place...

 

[freed1305]

Thanks for your comments..... just researched a little more on the internet meanwhile clicked through some more hundred pages. And yes it seemed to be too good and too easy as it could be true.... But I will follow it up alittle more, maybe it could be possible to read something between the lines as all stories have possibly a very tiny core of truth with a big cloak of lies around.....