Failed Trump Assassination Attempt

FBI named shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks.
Thomas Matthew Crooks ID’d as gunman who shot Trump during Pa. rally
By Joe Marino and Katherine Donlevy
Published July 13, 2024, 11:39 p.m. ET

The gunman who attempted to assassinate former President Donald Trump Saturday was identified as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks, sources told The Post.

Crooks, of Bethel Park, Pa., squeezed off shots — one of which grazed Trump in the ear — at an outdoor rally in Butler, just outside Pittsburgh.

Sources said Crooks was planted on the roof of a manufacturing plant more than 130 yards away from the stage at Butler Farm Show grounds.

The gunman who attempted to assassinate former President Donald Trump Saturday was identified as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks, sources told The Post.

Crooks, of Bethel Park, Pa., squeezed off shots — one of which grazed Trump in the ear — at an outdoor rally in Butler, just outside Pittsburgh.

Sources said Crooks was planted on the roof of a manufacturing plant more than 130 yards away from the stage at Butler Farm Show grounds.

Early Sunday the FBI officially confirmed the Post’s reporting, calling Crooks the “subject involved” in the attack on Trump.
 
Except you haven't provided any evidence for the possibilities you mention. That's sloppy thinking. Taking the position of "it must be fake, because it's happening in the USA" is not one that befits a person of your intelligence, osit.
I will not answer the previous statements, with your permission, because I consider them insignificant. But this is worthy of an answer.
Again, thanks for the compliment on my intelligence level. I'm flattered.
But now for the case. You write: "it must be fake, because it's happening in the USA" and, as funny as it may be, it is true with some important clarifications. The first clarification is not "must be", but "maybe". The second clarification is not just "In the USA" but "among those who are fighting for power in the USA." In my opinion, those who are fighting for power in the United States are ready, as they say, to sell their own mother (to this saying I would add - sell, buy and then sell 33 more times). I'm not sure if I need to give examples of this. People have already written about this topic here just now.
Did Trump win in this situation? In my opinion, of course, he won, and he won disproportionately more compared to a scratched ear. The dead and wounded around do not matter, unless their exorbitant number turns the situation in the opposite direction. In this case, we don't have that.
Based on all this, why can't I assume that this whole incident was planned and carried out by Trump's entourage? Moreover, Trump himself can be both the initiator of this, and just a participant, and there is even the possibility of his participation, as we call it, "in the dark."
You persistently, already in the second message, write about the lack of evidence. What evidence can I have? I am writing about the possibilities and they are obvious to me.

For Keit💐

На предыдущие высказывания я отвечать не буду, с вашего позволения, потому что считаю их несущественными. А вот это достойно ответа.
Опять же спасибо за комплимент в адрес уровня моего интеллекта. Я польщен.
Но теперь по делу. Вы пишете:"it must be fake, because it's happening in the USA" и, как бы это ни было смешно, но так и есть с некоторыми важными уточнениями. Первое уточнение это не "должно быть", а "может быть". Второе уточнение это не просто "В США" а "среди тех, кто борется за власть в США". По моему убеждению, те кто борется за власть в США, готовы, как у нас говорят, родную мать продать (к этой поговорке я бы добавил- продать, купить и потом еще 33 раза продать). Я не уверен, надо ли приводить к этому примеры. Здесь только что люди уже писали на эту тему.
Выиграл ли в данной ситуации Трамп? По моему конечно же выиграл, причем выиграл несоизмеримо больше по сравнению с поцарапанным ухом. Убитые и раненые вокруг не имеют значения, если только их запредельное количество не перевернет ситуацию в обратную сторону. В данном случае мы этого не имеем.
Исходя из всего этого, почему я не могу предположить, что весь этот инцидент был спланирован и осуществлен окружением Трампа? Причем сам Трамп может быть как инициатором этого, так и просто участником и даже есть возможность его участия, как у нас называют, "в темную".
Вы упорно, уже во втором сообщении пишете об отсутствии доказательств. Какие у меня могут быть доказательства? Я пишу о возможности и они для меня очевидны.
Для Кейт
 
Or let it happen by a amateur "inspired" by the movie "Civil War"
Interesting that the phrase "Civil War" implies a war between two factions of the elite. I strongly suspect at this point that Biden's team has 'gone rogue' from the rest of the US PTB and we may see increasingly dramatic developments in that direction as they are disposed of and 'order is restored'.

Simplicus on Substack makes a number of good observations on how the US MSM is downplaying the assassination attempt, labeling it as a minor incident. Supposedly a document with instructions (by who?) was sent to the media not to make the incident look as anything serious, not to have quests to comment it etc.
Which suggests that the attempt was not 'sanctioned' by the full deep state apparatus, so we may see an exponential increase in propaganda reinforcing the narrative that Biden must be urgently persuaded to step down, or 'removed' if necessary.
 
This image is circulating, that is apparently a bullet hole (on the shoulder of the woman who protects him), but it is not seen in this other image so it must have been some element of the bodyguard's shoulder pad.

I'm pretty sure it isn't a bullet hole, but a wrinkle on the suit of the security woman in front of Trump (at the point in her suit between the shoulder and the arm).

Do we know how many of those shots were the killer and how many came from SS snipers counter-shots at this time? It all seemed to kinda blend in together for me. Like maybe there were only 3 shots from the assassin and 5 from the SS etc?

Judging from the gun shot sounds we hear on the videos that have surfaced so far, it is a hard (if not impossible) to tell what shot came from where and whom.
 
Someone who has shot AR-15s with a scope should chime in here. Is it plausible to keep your aim solid when firing off 8+ rounds at a fairly rapid pace?
Unless you’re a living recoiless tripod, Extremely unlikely. You get one shot. After that, good luck hitting the target exactly where you want it. Especially now that it’s moving. 150ft or yards isn’t even far for a long rifle. Either that kid really sucked and they picked the wrong sucker to mind program, or the universe really said Trump’s not dying today.
 
Could it be that the AR15 shooter was a patsy shooting wildly and the real shooter with a .308 missed when Trump turned his head
The only real problem with this is the report. The .223 sounds like “Pop pop pop”

A .308 on the other hand has that huge kind of blast you hear echoing through a canyon in an old western: Bggshhooo.

If a large caliber long rifle had gone off in that situation, it would have been unmistakable. No way it got lost amidst a barrage of small caliber fire.
 
I also have to say: That Trump survived this assassination attempt, borders on a miracle. So freaking close! Indeed, there might have been some divine intervention at play. Or, just pure luck.

If I were Trump and/or a Trump supporter, I would now take the security of Trump in my own hands and post/organize as many Trump supporters (preferably skilled individuals from the military and/or security apparatus) around each venue Trump will be in. Obviously, you can't trust the Secret Service or any other official protection agencies to protect Trump! So, let's do it ourselves, for god's sake! I mean, Trump supporters should now really grab their guns (in a country where it can be done legally in places!) and protect Trump with their own hands. Just organize some squads all around future Trump appearances with as many people as possible.
 
First question I have (for American folks), is it common for the BBC to be at a Trump Rally? Kind of thought it odd, yet perhaps it is not.

Then there's the video of the security snipers who seem to be looking directly AT the shooter, but don't fire until he does. I'm not sure, that's what it looks like to me. You can see that the sniper's head pops up - it doesn't swivel or anything to a different direction. If the shooter could see Trump from 150 yards, I think it's more than likely that the sniper could see him, as they probably have the best scopes one can imagine. Maybe he didn't see the shooter climb onto the roof, and his tan camo was blending in with the rooftop?
In this video which is a close up, my impression is that the secret service engages first and then the shooter. He seems to have seen something and shoots and then the shooter shot right afterwards. But that's my very uneducated impression.

If that's the case, could it be the reason why the shooter 'missed'?

More details to come, however, the official detail sniper seemed to be on target from the one vantage point. Moreover, you don't suddenly swing a gun (did not see it swing) like that on a tripod while looking through a scope to acquire a target, it is just not that fast - you would need to be on scope scanning, and he appeared to back away and then come back on target. Conversely, as Approaching Infinity pointed out, there is a parapet wall possibly that had hidden the shooter. That said, the timing of it all looks odd and needs more data and time.

Someone who has shot AR-15s with a scope should chime in here. Is it plausible to keep your aim solid when firing off 8+ rounds at a fairly rapid pace?

Agree with @Evan, that an AR-15 is more a shock and awe weapon - more so for its looks as it falls into the 'bad' gun category that plays out on the news, and it is not successively accurate. If the shooter did get 8 shots away, where did they go, what did they hit or who did they hit? - Trump is known and a few others were said to have been injured.

This is ridiculous.

Best we all collect some data and reevaluate, no?

I wrote to you privately because your rudeness is not the topic of the discussion here. As I said, you are pretty much the only person here who uses the "dislike" button. I would suggest to quote the posts you disagree with and present counter-arguments.

"I don't care for you saying ... " is not a counter-argument, as it does not clarify anything.

axj, hlat was correct in pointing out the behind the scenes PM thing you did, it is just not the done thing, and you would or should know that. People make mistakes though, get caught up in the heat of the moment, and he should not have triggered a reference of psychopathy as a rejoinder against you for doing so. As understood, something like this event and its ramifications raises tensions, so we all need to watch it a little and help each other rather than getting into verbal pi..ing matches.

Might have been someone else but I think it was Fletcher Prouty who wrote regarding high profile assassinations that the first thing that should be scrutinized is how security was compromised and by who. Making security services compromised and weakened is the first and most important thing the schemers would have to plan.

Had though the same thing, and it was Prouty. And speaking of who, perhaps the Australian folks can pay attention to the newspapers for headline time-stamps and what was said (Prouty spoke of this too).

Lastly, Butler Pennsylvania is named after Richard Butler, while a few hours away was the birthplace of Smedley Butler (not related I think). What happened today in Butler, Smedley understood much about - the racket (aka sewer) behind the scenes, if that is what it was today. Smedley would have helped defend Trump, and would to be sure, be aghast of our political times.

Keep safe, Donald!
 
Trump would make a pretty strong statement if he formally fired the Secret Service and publicly hired private security of his own. That would show how weak he thinks the people that the Federal Government are, and make a spectacle of the fact.
I agree, that was absolutely pathetic. How the hell do you not secure a 150yd perimeter, especially high ground areas. And apparently he got up there with a ladder! Lol this is a joke!
 
I just opened the vid posted by @Nachtweide and this was featured at the top:

Donald Trump Injured After Shots Fired at Pennsylvania Rally, Apparently Injured by Glass

4:21 PM PT -- A SOURCE WHO HAS SPOKEN WITH A MEMBER OF THE SECRET SERVICE TELL TMZ, TRUMP WAS NOT HIT BY A BULLET. RATHER, A BULLET HIT HIS TELEPROMPTER AND THE GLASS STRUCK HIM BY THE EAR.

I guess I thought a bullet would have caused more damage than appeared of his ear, so maybe it was glass and not a bullet.
 

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