Failed Trump Assassination Attempt

Beau said:
Don't know if this has already been pointed out, but here's the picture of the ladder used. It's definitely not a 5-ft ladder like we were told by the FBI and it surely wouldn't have fit in Crooks' vehicle. This doesn't even get into how it was placed there, since Crooks could not have carried it and the rifle while walking to the building, much less without being seen. That's a heavy ladder.

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That was the law enforcement ladder, there were two different ladders.
 
Cosmos said:
Possibly the left guy wasn't hit by a bullet and just slipped or something. Very hard to tell. But it seems to me that he was shot is more likely when you watch it in slow-motion. He is the first to react in the whole crowd, and he moves like having been shot in the chest and at the end almost seems to fall down completely (unconscious?).
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Looks confirmed that he wasn't shot. The same guy is on camera after the shots acting normally and filming what's going on:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813421834831868115
https://twitter.com/x/status/1813621460797407699
 
nativeindigo said:
This is what I found
The two snipers on the other main roof, wearing Police Vests, and the other officers on the ground wearing vests with Secret Service....so what is Natali referring to?
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Some secret service uniforms say "police" on them. The second picture you posted probably shows the front and back of one particular uniform (police on back, SS on front). Here's another variation.
 
iamthatis said:
Senator Marsha Blackburn has made a statement claiming that SS knew about the threat before Trump took the stage.



This was after one of those famous 'intelligence briefings', so take it with a grain of salt.
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I had heard this yesterday.....but was not sure if it was real. So did Trump know? If they were expecting something.....they bodged it badly. I am not saying that the individuals in the team are nowhere near the professionals they needed to be for this type of gig, but again this all seems like nothing adds up. No matter what scenario, or new info that comes about, nothing adds up!
 
Approaching Infinity said:
Either this was a second shooter, or a second counter-sniper from the second team located on the building to the right of the team we've seen on video and in photographs. If it was a second, professional assassin, he was totally inept, firing off a single shot after Trump was already on the ground covered by SS agents. Seems more likely to me that it was the second counter-sniper team.
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Latest news:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813675307125338199
JUST IN: The viral USSS sn*per team is *not* the pair that took out Thomas Matthew Crooks at the Trump rally. According to USSS spokesman Anthony Guglielmi, there were four total counter-sn*per teams watching over the event. The development is odd because it suggests that multiple teams appeared to be looking at or toward Crooks who somehow managed to get off a clear shot on Trump.Out of the four counter-sn*per teams, two were USSS, and two were local teams.A "local marksman" also engaged but was not the one to fire the fatal shot.I'm just wondering how there seemed to be multiple sn*per teams looking at Crooks yet he was able to get a perfect shot on Trump.
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Goemon_ said:
From what I have heard, I am no specialist, the pop sound you hear is because of the velocity of the bullet passing the sound barrier. Silencer or not you would still hear the pop.
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Unless the rounds used are subsonic, as Corvus mentioned earlier:

Corvus said:
I would say they could have used 300 blackout ammo round, 7.62x35mm. It is subsonic round, very silent but has more impact power then nato standard round 5.54x45mm, but has a short range of being precise, 200-300m, based on russian vss vintorez(9×39mm) that was used in Afghanistan for it s silent characteristics. Cs said in Dallas attack they used subsonic ammunition also. And going for a head shot, yes, I would say it was distance of about 150 200m, maybe more so that s why it was a miss, but still as said professsional would know that and would not miss, even if it can happen, only if there was some providence in action. But by using silent ammo it is about not getting caught so it has similarities to previous black ops attacks, using also supressors to make it more silent and not having muzzle flashes to see the direction of fire, but with stronger calibers there are also natural ways to mask yourself depending on enviroment. And why to use assasination as said here when they can use other not so overt methods.
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Approaching Infinity said:
See pic below.

On the one hand they may have destroyed some evidence (assuming they didn't take what they needed before). On the other, someone needed to clean the brains and blood off the roof.

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There are cleaners who do these jobs specifically for blood etc. I suspect the FBI fears an independent investigation like Congress is calling for. The gunshot residue would have told a story.
 
Cosmos said:
I just realized that we can't really be sure if the first, second or third shot (and/or any combination between the three!) is the one that hit Trumps ear! Further, depending on how fast blood would flow, it almost looks like it wasn't the first shot that hit Trumps ear! And maybe not even the second one, but the third one! Here is my speculation on why that might be the case:

Take a look at the video below in super slow motion; The first shot is being shot, then Trump reacts and puts his right hand on his right ear (most probably touching the ear). Note that the ear at that point wasn't necessarily hit by the first bullet, since a bullet could have flown near his ear and that was what he was initially reacting to. Then the second shot happens while Trump still has his hand on the ear. Then he puts down his hand, and we see large parts of Trumps hand on the inside, apparently with no blood on it AND the hand undamaged. Which means (assuming blood flowed immediately) that it could be that neither the first nor the second shot hit Trumps ear, but the third one! Then Trumps head starts his motion of going down and the third shot happens. If blood wasn't fast enough to flow at the first shot, it could have been the first shot. But if it was fast enough to flow, the first shot could have hardly been the shot that hit Trumps ear and also not the second one because his hand would likely have been hit too:



So the big question here is, how fast would blood flow at that part of the ear after having been hit? Anyone know?
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In my opinion, looking at the video several times, this would be the 1st shot that would have wounded Trump in his ear.

I said to myself that we have to take into account the noise we hear from the bullets as well as the speed of the bullets.

So, taking into account the speed of sound which is 340.29 m / s and researching the AR-15 weapon that would have been used by the shooter (I did my research on this data since we can't be sure that this is the official story especially if in the end, there are other shooters and if it's a different weapon).

Anyway, taking into account the bullet velocity for a 5.56 mm AR-15, it can travel at between 850 and 993 m/s.
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So, with the data on the speed of sound and the speed of the bullet, when we watch the video of the attack, we see Trump touching his ear almost at the same time as the 2nd shot, but in truth, this reaction is consistent with the first shot, where he reacted immediately, but his reaction is out of sync with the sound of the bullets. And if you think about it, the reaction time of our gestures can also have a millisecond delay.

I just wanted to bring this data into the reflections on the attack.

As I said to a friend: It was a very close call. Which made me think of the Quebec song “Échappée belle grâce à toi” - "Échappée belle, alléluia!". 💗

D'après moi, en regardant plusieurs fois la vidéo, ça serait le 1er coup de fusil qui aurait blessé Trump à son oreille.

Je me suis dit qu'il faut tenir compte du bruit que nous entendons des balles ainsi que la vitesse des balles.

Donc, en tenant compte de la vitesse du son qui est 340,29 m / s et en faisant une recherche sur l'arme AR-15 qui aurait été utilisé par le tireur (j'ai fait mes recherches sur cette donnée puisque nous ne pouvons pas être certain que ceci est l'histoire officielle surtout si en fin de compte, il y a d'autres tireurs et si c'est une arme différente).

Peu importe, en tenant compte de la vitesse de la balle pour une arme AR-15 de calibre 5,56 mm, celle-ci peut voyager à une vitesse variant entre 850 et 993 m / s.
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Donc, avec les données sur la vitesse du son et la vitesse de la balle, ceci fait en sorte qu'en visionnant la vidéo de l'attentat, nous voyons Trump qui se touche l'oreille presqu'en même temps du 2e coup mais en vérité, ça réaction concorde avec le premier tir où il a réagit immédiatement mais sa réaction est en décalage par rapport au bruit des balles. Et tout en réfléchissant, le temps de réaction de nos gestes peu aussi avoir un délai de milliseconde.

Je voulais juste apportes ces données dans les réflexions sur l'attentat.

Comme j'ai dit à un ami: Il a vraiment échappé belle. Ce qui m'a fait pensé à une chanson québécoise "Échappée belle grâce à toi" - "Échappée belle, alléluia!" 💗
 
nativeindigo said:
I had heard this yesterday.....but was not sure if it was real. So did Trump know? If they were expecting something.....they bodged it badly. I am not saying that the individuals in the team are nowhere near the professionals they needed to be for this type of gig, but again this all seems like nothing adds up. No matter what scenario, or new info that comes about, nothing adds up!
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From what I understand this was when Crooks went through security and they saw the rangefinder (which is like binoculars).
 
Regarding the Capture Path of Bullet to Trump by Doug Mills, happends to be the same photographer that captured this moment. Some people are very lucky to capture iconic moments, I would say.
Bullet Trace, and interesting mattersIt’s nearly 0400 here in Japan.

So this is a mind-dump, sans edit:

Interesting on bullet trace — scratching my memories, I do not recall seeing any bullet trace photos from close to 90 degrees from bullet’s flight path. Am not saying it cannot be done. It probably can be done with modern cameras and high shutter speeds.

Now keep in mind I am pretty handy with weapons and with cameras. I was a Special Forces weapons specialist. As a photographer, I shot some of the most famous photos in Iraq and in Afghanistan. Substantial crossover knowledge.

My first thought was — I’d never seen a trace shot from that angle. Second thought was it should be possible. Third thought was that would be a fast shutter speed.

I was preparing to reach out to the photographer. Hunting and pecking online, I found New York Times quoting the shutter speed at 1/8000th of second.

It happens that I have sitting on table here the top three DSLRs Sony makes. The cameras most people salivate over, I have three here. Because I know how important serious gear is.

I use only the very best cameras and lenses. Top gear helped make some of the most interesting and often intense photos in two wars. Unfortunately I often broke lenses while jumping on the ground or hitting against a wall or doorway. No camera ever broke.

I use the cameras regularly though rarely publish photos from them these days. The maximum shutter speed on all three of these cameras in 1/8000.

The the New York Times photographer, Doug Mills, is quoted as shooting at 30fps 1/8000.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1813730603180974387


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