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luke wilson

The Living Force
Why do I care about who wins what games? Why do I waste my energy hanging on crucial moments of a game, hoping for a particular outcome - either a goal, a card or something similar?

Is this healthy?

Should I instead watch a game without investing myself in it? By myself, I mean my emotions! Why does such games animate the emotional centre anyways?
 
luke wilson said:
Why does such games animate the emotional centre anyways?

Identification. Paraphrasing and building upon what someone once wrote at another forum years ago, people say: "We won!", when actually those who won are a bunch of goofily dressed men you don't know who happen to wear colors corresponding to the arbitrary geographical area within which you live.

Though, for whatever reason, it has never "worked" on me - and never having had this particular thing as part of my psychology (though I've identified a lot in other contexts and it still happens), I do not fully understand the psychology of sports. (reflecting a bit further, I do have the psychology of competition, though it does not drive me strongly, but I don't have the psychology of group competition. it's simply absent, it seems)
 
luke wilson said:
Why do I care about who wins what games? Why do I waste my energy hanging on crucial moments of a game, hoping for a particular outcome - either a goal, a card or something similar?

luke, have you read that page of the online Wave where Laura explains how we are addicted to our emotions? If not, I highly recommend it. :)
 
Thanks for the recommendation Bud. I havent read it yet. I am acouple of chapters behind. Havent done much work recently due to external influences which I had to accomodate.

Psalehesost, it is quite interesting you mention identification. Why is it some people are naturally drown to identify with sports team or athletes, whilst others arent? Another interesting thing you mention is competition. Is competition STO or STS? Why do we compete? What is the purpose of competition? Do STO beings compete with/against each other? Capitalism is build on competition. The statement being, through competition we encourage innovation, through competition we encourage efficiency etc etc. However, it is interesting to watch the biggest economic entities out there destroy competition against them. To them competition is sin. Yet they encourage everyone below them to compete.
 
luke wilson said:
Is competition STO or STS? Why do we compete? What is the purpose of competition? Do STO beings compete with/against each other?

Think of and observe what happens when one is driven to compete: anticipation, wanting, desiring - seeking a form of self-gratification. All STS. But if there would be something left if these things were peeled off - in that case, it could be done in STO. That would however not leave the frame of mind we know as "competitive" - it would be no more than an open curiosity and purely playful engagement, a viewing and doing without attachment. Not quite competition as we know it, there being no element of doing it "against" the other(s) even as "play", no care of "status" or "ranking".

luke wilson said:
Capitalism is build on competition. The statement being, through competition we encourage innovation, through competition we encourage efficiency etc etc. However, it is interesting to watch the biggest economic entities out there destroy competition against them. To them competition is sin. Yet they encourage everyone below them to compete.

Competition can drive people, and when they are motivated, they do more. In that sense it "works". You can innovate in STS, though there is often an entropic edge to its fruits, as can be seen in how things go in our world.

luke wilson said:
However, it is interesting to watch the biggest economic entities out there destroy competition against them. To them competition is sin. Yet they encourage everyone below them to compete.

In such a system, people essentially strive to gain power relative to others. Those who don't have it seek to gain it, and those who have it don't want to lose it. When those "below" compete at their own level, they do not take aim at those "above", and in addition they are driven to do more, witting or not, of their leader's bidding.
 
luke wilson said:
Do STO beings compete with/against each other? Capitalism is build on competition. The statement being, through competition we encourage innovation, through competition we encourage efficiency etc etc. However, it is interesting to watch the biggest economic entities out there destroy competition against them. To them competition is sin. Yet they encourage everyone below them to compete.


In my view, one of the problems with 'Identification and competition' is related to a particular way of looking at life that is mechanical and is programmed into us from childhood. A view of life in it's various contexts where there is such a scarcity of things to 'be' and things to 'have' and things to 'do', that one forms attachments to whatever comes along and evokes a bit of feel-good brain chemistry.

When I think about it from the point of view of logic, the whole universe is a single, logically asymettrical object which, as a totality, simply exists. Within it we have evolutionary processes. In these evolutionary processes, differing life-forms collaborate to create rich ecosystems, each motivated by their own self interest.

That's probably why the mathematics in the Game Theory formulas don't always have predictable results. They don't take the effects of cooperation and collaboration into account. (Which reminds me: have you read Adventures With Cassiopaea?)

People stuck in a mechanical, hypnotized, narrow, concentrated-focus mindset, with the brain chemistry balance that keeps them there, tend to see only in pairs, while completely unaware of the third man theme or of any inter-related background context. The logical AND - the true mode of logical juxtaposition - is converted into logical OR. Instead of bee AND flower they must see bee OR flower - they can't see both, or any number of elements at a time, working as a system. The individual who does understand he is a part of a larger system lives in a universe of collaborative co-evolution. The narrow-minded, hypnotized people live only in a universe of competitive evolution.

Mechanical man sees mutual opposition everywhere, and they come up with example after example of competition, using their logic to prove that in the universe of OR, there is not any co-operation anywhere. It's rather sad, actually. They can't get their split little brains around the idea that competition AND colloboration can co-exist in a system, and what matters is the dominant trait.

If competition was really the dominant trait in evolution, rich ecosystems would degrade into very simple ones consisting of a single life-form, which would then drop dead of starvation. Needless to say, two-pole only thinkers deliberately arrange their own business affairs in exactly this way, and then when they lose everything, they claim that it was an inevitability of nature, or something.

Waking up to the background context of interrelations between everything and everyone, including all of us here, is one aspect of the Work as I understand it. :)
 
I`m very agreed with the comments...

Here are some videos about the issue and the political mafia in collusion with FIFA:

Henry Kissinger in the peruvian locker room at the World Cup Argentina 1978:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXuld6Zet-U&feature=PlayList&p=9E8A41E686F1A500&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=16

And another video (in English) about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_PeL_F8_iA&feature=related

I have watched people go absolutely crazy and out of control with each outcome either for or against, by the way the politicians taking advantage of all this euphoria to make their moves .. is recalcitrant the exaltatation about the physical body, and now the "six pack" (flat abdomen of players) is an object of worship and adoration ... I have a nephew with fifteen years old who "like" soccer as I liked soccer at that age, and therefore I try not to be very serious about the matter, partly because I see that he also "enjoys'... anyway, in some way or another I try to get it to understand to him with some irony and jokes ... and I've seen has been quite effective and now he does not take this as a "a matter of life and death"...

I have observed idiocy 95% and There must be 5% of camaraderie and "positives things"... is actually very small percentage that do not know if talk about something "positive" (As the dark side with a pinpoint of light of yin and yang symbol)

Euphoria, anxiety, patriotism, competition, waste of energy, deification of the players = drain
 
luke wilson said:
Thanks for the recommendation Bud. I havent read it yet. I am acouple of chapters behind. Havent done much work recently due to external influences which I had to accomodate.

Finishing the Wave series will answer a lot, if not most, of your questions, Luke.
 
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