France to Ban Smoking in Public Spaces From Tomorrow

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France to Ban Smoking in Public Spaces From Tomorrow (Update1)
By Helene Fouquet

Jan. 31 (Bloomberg) -- France, the land of Gauloises cigarettes and haze-filled cafes, is banning smoking in public places starting tomorrow.

More than 15 years after the country began trying to curb tobacco consumption, the first phase of a new law goes into effect, banning smoking in schools, airports, hotels, offices and other public spaces. The second phase next year will prohibit smoking in cafes, restaurants and clubs.

``Nobody, not even I, thought a year-and-a-half ago that France would abandon tobacco so fast,'' said Yves Bur, a member of Parliament and a leading advocate of a broad prohibition of smoking. ``French people are ready. The image of the Gauloise cigarette in the cafe is almost dead.''

The curbs mirror moves in Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain, with similar bans planned in the England and being debated in Germany. For France, the prohibition reflects efforts to curtail a habit that kills 60,000 people annually, according to the health ministry. It also comes as the government struggles to narrow the public health-care deficit, which was 6.5 billion euros ($8.4 billion) in 2005.

Over 30 percent of the French population smokes, more than in any European country except Greece, where it's 42 percent, a French legislative commission report from last October showed.

The French restriction reinforces a 1991 tobacco ban called the Evin law that made it mandatory to create smoking spaces in public areas. Evin's rule outlawed tobacco-affiliated advertisement and consumption in offices and administrations. The law was never fully applied.

Fines Planned

The European Union's Commissioner for health Markos Kyprianou yesterday urged member states to enforce smoking bans in all public spaces, including cafes and restaurants. The EU said it will not introduce a continent-wide ban.

In France, starting tomorrow, smokers flouting the ban will be fined 68 euros and up to 450 euros if the fine isn't paid. Owners of premises that allow smoking will face a 135-euro fine, 750 euros if unpaid, according to the government.

``What used to be a social problem - the trouble with smoke and the need to maintain a good cohabitation between smokers and non-smokers - is today a public health challenge,'' a statement from the Health Ministry published after last November's decree to ban smoking.

More than 76 percent of French people backed the law, a BVA poll commissioned in November by the government showed. The survey also showed overwhelming support for the second part of the ban, which will prohibit smoking in cafes, restaurants, tobacconists and casinos starting Jan. 1, 2008. That ban has the backing of 74 percent of the French people.

Ban Confusion

The two-phase ban has created some confusion among hotel managers, cafes owners and customers. Hotels, for example, are considered public spaces, except for rooms, which are private. Cafes and restaurants in hotels are considered public yet they fall under the Jan. 1, 2008, rule.

``I have no fear for hotels, but more for cafes next year,'' Andre Daguin, president of the union of cafes and restaurants, known as UMIH, said over the telephone. ``There may be a loss in the beginning, but I think those who quit the bistros for the dirty smoke smell will come back.''

Several cafes and restaurants in France have decided to ban smoking pre-emptively before the full ban in 2008. Smoking in the streets remains legal.

``I gained 40 percent customers when I banned smoking in the bar and I'm fully ready for the ban in the rest of the hotel's spaces,'' said Flavien, the bartender at Café Laurent, a jazz bar in Paris's Latin quarter's Hotel d'Aubusson. ``I had no legal obligation to bar customers from smoking, but I feel people are ready, except for some moaners.''

Falling Consumption

Tobacco consumption in France dropped in 2002 and 2003 after the government imposed sharp increases in the retail price. The price effect no longer deters consumers, a National Institute for Health Prevention and Education study shows. France has more smokers today than in 2003.

Almost 49 percent of those aged 18 to 25 say they smoke, up from 40.3 percent in 2003. Tobacco sales in France advanced 2.3 percent in the first 11 months of 2006, Les Echos daily reported Jan. 29. In 2005, they stagnated at 14.64 billion euros.

The ban doesn't please everyone.

``A lot of smokers tell us that tobacco helps them at work -- to focus, to face stress and relax for a short while,'' Pascal Montredon, general secretary of the France Tobacco Shops' Confederation, said in an interview.

Fewer Heart Attacks

When Italy enforced a total smoking ban in all public spaces on Jan. 1, 2005, scientists of Torino's University in Northern Italy measured the ban's effect on health. In August 2006, the European Heart Journal published their study, which showed that in the Piedmont region, infarcts dropped 11 percent.

Heart attack rates fell by more than 25 percent in the 18 months after Pueblo, Colorado put anti-smoking laws into effect, a study by the University Of Colorado School Of Medicine showed.

``Before the end of the year, the number of infarcts will have dropped,'' French Health Minister Xavier Bertrand told La Tribune daily on Jan. 29. ``I want to double the number of those who will quit smoking,'' he said, to 1.5 million people.
It makes my heart a little heavy to see France being infected with the anti-smoking disease.
 
I saw that this was already on todays Signs page and I was going to delete the post, but I ran across another article that I didn't find on the Signs which is related:

EU could impose smoking ban across continent

Ian Traynor in Brussels
Saturday January 27, 2007
The Guardian

A Europe-wide ban on smoking in public places may be on the cards as a European commission initiative sizes up the experiences of countries with stringent no-smoking policies.

Markos Kyprianou, the EU health commissioner, is to table proposals on smoke-free environments next week. It is the start of a process that could use Ireland's successful ban on smoking in pubs, restaurants and other public places as a model for an EU-wide ban.

A spokesman for Mr Kyprianou said the commissioner took a favourable view of the public smoking bans in EU member countries such as Ireland, Sweden and Italy.

The commissioner will issue a green paper next week on "legal mechanisms and health promotion initiatives" in member countries and at the European level, the first step of a long legislative process.

European opinion polls show large majorities in favour of a total ban on smoking in public places. Belgium, which recently introduced restrictions on smoking, will become the first EU country to put pictures of the effects of smoking on cigarette packets. The warnings, featuring images of scarred lungs and patients with lung cancer, will be launched next week "to highlight the importance that better communications and powerful images can have in the fight against tobacco".

A survey in 25 EU countries last year found that more than two-thirds of people supported a smoking ban in public places, with 90% of Swedes in favour.

The most pro-smoking country was Austria, where 43% supported the ban. There was less support for banning smoking in bars and pubs.
 
Shane said:
It makes my heart a little heavy to see France being infected with the anti-smoking disease.
I feel the same. Yesterday night I was listening to a radio broadcast about this subject, and the interviewee (some "authority") was talking about the protection of non smokers. Some people were calling, and intervening to disagree and complain about bans, restraints, and the fact that society was becoming more and more sanitized. The guy just replied, basically, that the danger was to confuse restraint and ban with the protection and safety of people. Emphasis was laid on protection, the non smokers rights and free will not to be polluted by cigarette smoke, etc. Talk about pathocracy speech ! The point according to him was not to take repressive measures, but to protect non smokers against those careless, nasty smokers.

France is taking a bad turn.
On the 8th february, a project of law will be discussed at the Senate, about the "protection [protection, again] of children". Sects and communities are of course the official target, but in reality everyone is concerned.
Among other freedom killing measures, we find :
- 6 months jail and 3750 Euros fine for parents/care givers who refuse or obstruct compulsary vaccinations for their children
- 6 months jail and 3750 Euros fine as well for people who attend a child delivery and don't report it within the legal 3 days period
- a triennial compulsory medical consultation for all children between 6 and 15 in order to establish a "checkup of their state of physical and psychological health"
The sad thing is nobody cares; most people are happy with these decisions and will accept them easily if the law project is voted.
France is no longer the country of "freedom, equality, fraternity"... for a long time. I wonder if it has ever been anyway.

French links to the news in brief about this law project :
http://www.oulala.net/Portail/breve.php3?id_breve=1304

http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/france/justice/0,,3379845,00-refuser-vacciner-enfants-bientot-passible-prison-.html
 
PFR said:
The sad thing is nobody cares; most people are happy with these decisions and will accept them easily if the law project is voted.
France is no longer the country of "freedom, equality, fraternity"... for a long time. I wonder if it has ever been anyway.
Very strange that a country that is so concerned about maintaining its culture and language has been so easily taken over by a foreign philosophy - the "Americanization of France."

Isn't the French blogosphere talking about all this? If not, maybe they ought to. Because, most certainly, after the first step, it is easy to take the next ones and then the next, and suddenly, there is no freedom left of any kind.
 
Prayers for rain said:
France is taking a bad turn.
On the 8th february, a project of law will be discussed at the Senate, about the "protection [protection, again] of children". Sects and communities are of course the official target, but in reality everyone is concerned.
Among other freedom killing measures, we find :
- 6 months jail and 3750 Euros fine for parents/care givers who refuse or obstruct compulsary vaccinations for their children
- 6 months jail and 3750 Euros fine as well for people who attend a child delivery and don't report it within the legal 3 days period
- a triennial compulsory medical consultation for all children between 6 and 15 in order to establish a "checkup of their state of physical and psychological health"
The sad thing is nobody cares; most people are happy with these decisions and will accept them easily if the law project is voted.
France is no longer the country of "freedom, equality, fraternity"... for a long time. I wonder if it has ever been anyway.
Unbelivable. The next step for the NWO would be, as in the book of Aldous Huxley Brave new world, the choice of the children: alpha, beta, delta....

Really frustrating
 
Namaste said:
Really frustrating
I can only hope that everyone who feels frustrated will vocally express that frustration, on blogs, for instance, so that others will feel emboldened to speak out also. After awhile, if people become aware of the actual support they have, they may decide to do something. I believe that the press in France is as corrupt and "managed" as the press anywhere and that it is highly unlikely that any truth about this matter has actually been published. It's all set pieces designed to persuade people that there is a consensus when there isn't. We here at SOTT do everything we can every single day; but we need others to start standing up and speaking out also.
 
Laura said:
Isn't the French blogosphere talking about all this? If not, maybe they ought to. Because, most certainly, after the first step, it is easy to take the next ones and then the next, and suddenly, there is no freedom left of any kind.
Several sites are aware of this project of restriction on liberties :
- On Nous Cache Tout : http://www.onnouscachetout.com/la-liberte-vaccinale-mise-a-mal
- Agoravox, which is a site where people can write articles and publish them : http://www.onnouscachetout.com/la-liberte-vaccinale-mise-a-mal
- The association for the liberty of non vaccination and information on vaccination, Alis : http://alis.asso.fr/
- There's also a petition, for those french who want to sign :
http://www.lapetition.com/sign1.cfm?numero=1182 (up to now, 172 signatures, closing on the 8th february)
And other alternative websites.
We opened a blog recently (http://www.voteutile.info/), gonna publish the info there (though I doubt this blog is much read, not much time has been devoted to it up till now !).
On Nous Cache Tout proposed to write to the Senators and the Ministary of Health, to block this project and say we're ANGRY about this violation of freedom. I'll send such a letter too. Though I doubt many people will write to protest, outside the usual alternative community on the net.
There ARE people who are vigilant, the information IS available and is spreading, but most people are FOR these kind of measures. Well I don't have figures, it's just an assumption on my part, based on observations : outside of alternative sites, the mainstream tendency is : "Control, restriction ? Well, I have nothing to reproach myself with, anyway, so yeah, why not more restriction ?".
There's a need to inform people more, I agree, beginning with real and objective information about the vaccination (for exemple, as a start). Most people are not aware, they just swallow what they've been told, that is : vaccination = good, vaccination obligation = it's a must for the common good, even if a few are sacrificed on the way, they do it for the common good.
There are some really good sites, like les Ogres http://lesogres.org/, but the analyses and the "vision" is not as deep and broad as the SotT's one.
We'd need a site like SotT, in french, in fact...
 
Prayers for rain said:
We'd need a site like SotT, in french, in fact...
Agree with you PFR; maybe we can have a french section on the SOTT site.
 
PFR said:
- 6 months jail and 3750 Euros fine for parents/care givers who refuse or obstruct compulsary vaccinations for their children
- 6 months jail and 3750 Euros fine as well for people who attend a child delivery and don't report it within the legal 3 days period
- a triennial compulsory medical consultation for all children between 6 and 15 in order to establish a "checkup of their state of physical and psychological health"
Okay, this is just totally giving me the willies. Doing jail time for not having your children vaccinated? And the fact that they want to have a medical 'consultation' for all children. I can just see them innocently asking the children about the activities of their parents. Do they smoke? What do they talk about? Where do they go? Who do they have over for conversations? Etc., etc.

Very depressing. :(
 
Markos Kyprianou, the EU health commissioner
This guy is Cypriot and the son of our former former president Spyros Kyprianou! Oh no, it's coming home too!

Laura said:
We here at SOTT do everything we can every single day; but we need others to start standing up and speaking out also.
Sometimes is like "shouting in a desert". An example: in history class our German professor was lecturing about the benefits of quiting smoking, that it prolongs life etc. And when i asked, Why then in Cuba and Japan the lifespan is longer than in other countries?, he seemed to have "stopped working" for few seconds but then responded quickly "there are other factors too" and quickly changed the subject. Which proves he IS aware that in Japan and Cuba the life span IS longer, and that they are the countries with the highest rates of smokers. Sadly, not even my classmates, with whom i smoke on breaks, said anything. And he is just the lecturer.
 
so sad, so sad, i don't have a name for that. and lies everywhere you step, everywhere you look
i'm well a mashine but i will fight out a hell to tell the truth before going to jail
 
Well, ya'll do the best you can. Educate, translate, and most of all, point out that if the French want to end up like the Americans - the most arrogant and hated people on the planet, just keep doing what the Americans do. They have WAY reduced smoking and have a much higher rate of death and disease supposedly caused by smoking. While, in years past, even when over 70 percent of the French smoked, they had lower death and disease rates from supposed "smoking related" illnesses than the U.S. did.

Lord, what a horrible mess this planet is in!
 
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