Freedom Of Speech vs Freedom From speech

[Deleted member 8431]

Hi

I would like to know what the diffrence between freedom of speech and freedom from speech is. I'll say what I think about both so feel absolutely free to correct me if I'm wrong or to comment on it.

Now, I know what freedom of speech basically means: the right to express yourself freely. But the problem I see here is that people sometimes over-abuse it. They take for granted that they can say whatever they want no matter what and that can be an evident source of conflict. Some people use that right but dwell into subjectivity and in the end, there is sometimes nothing good that come out of it. They justify their own opinion by mentionning the "freedom of speech" and lock themselves into it. They use it to justify their lack of objectivity (or so to speak).

So now freedom from speech. I don't really know how I could define this but the way I understand it so far is that freedom from speech comes from transmitted knowledge. Speech here would relate to knowledge which can, indeed, 'set you free' when applied correctly.

So I'll leave it as is for now and wait for your responses. I think that the understanding of these notions could be very helpful.

Thanks in advance.

Peace.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

Hi

I would like to know what the diffrence between freedom of speech and freedom from speech is. I'll say what I think about both so feel absolutely free to correct me if I'm wrong or to comment on it.

Now, I know what freedom of speech basically means: the right to express yourself freely. But the problem I see here is that people sometimes over-abuse it. They take for granted that they can say whatever they want no matter what and that can be an evident source of conflict. Some people use that right but dwell into subjectivity and in the end, there is sometimes nothing good that come out of it. They justify their own opinion by mentionning the "freedom of speech" and lock themselves into it. They use it to justify their lack of objectivity (or so to speak).

So now freedom from speech. I don't really know how I could define this but the way I understand it so far is that freedom from speech comes from transmitted knowledge. Speech here would relate to knowledge which can, indeed, 'set you free' when applied correctly.

So I'll leave it as is for now and wait for your responses. I think that the understanding of these notions could be very helpful.

Thanks in advance.

Peace.

Sorry to be dense, but actually, I've never heard of "freedom from speech." Can you give me an example? :)

 

[Deleted member 8431]

It is something I have seen a few times on that forum so I thought it was a well-known term.

I'll try to find out where.

Thanks.

You, dense? Tssssk, don't be so harsh on yourself. An average human being have a density close to 1.0 g/cm3. Osmium and iridium have a 22.6 g/cm3 density. That is some serious density.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Ok. Didn't find it using the search function. I think I have seen freedom from search.

But I'll keep looking otherwise I will just have made a useless thread.

Sorry about that.

 

[Jacques]

Ok. Didn't find it using the search function. I think I have seen freedom from search.

But I'll keep looking otherwise I will just have made a useless thread.

Sorry about that.

Here it is :

I really wanted to hear what Whyisthatso had to say if he were more accepted to comment on this subject. I believe that even the internet should be open to freedom of speech and it seemed like he was getting bashed on from everyone but he had a lot of good points.

People who want to force their opinions on others always bring up "freedom of speech." There is also "freedom from speech."


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It makes me very suspicious when that many people wanted to so quickly discard him and his opinions on the bible. Your aggression towards him has caused me suspicion onto your behalf and to what your true intentions are. If you believe you can make a bias post such as this one and then discredit someone else who happens to have another bias opinion to the contrary it makes me question what kind of people you really are. I believe the proper way to go on would have been to 'consider what he was saying from his point of view and then reason with him as to why he was incorrect'. Rather than discrediting him so quickly and harshly.

So why did you (and he) even bother to come on this board? If you had read the forum guidelines, you would know what the board is about. If you had spent some time reading the posts, you would know the way it works. But for you, and others like you, it's all about you and imposing your opinions on others when it is clear they are not wanted. Sorry, not on this board.

If this forum and this site is a little corner of the internet where laura can have her say and not listen to anyone elses opinions then I have no interest in it. I realize that laura has published all of her research here and it is a life time's amount of knowledge. It truly is impressive all of the time she has spent and research she has done. However it should be clarified as to wether or not we have freedom of speech on this forum.

No, you don't have "freedom of speech" on this board. That is made clear in the forum guidelines. Those who have chosen the way we work DO have "Freedom From Speech" from the likes of you, though.

Again, curious to see that you are so hell-bent on YOUR freedom of speech, but care nothing for the fact that it is not wanted.

Your basic rant is schizoid in flavor, IMO (and that opinion is backed by research and experience). Sayonara, hasta la vista, auf wiedersehn, adios, etc.

 

[Joe]

Hi

I would like to know what the diffrence between freedom of speech and freedom from speech is. I'll say what I think about both so feel absolutely free to correct me if I'm wrong or to comment on it.

Now, I know what freedom of speech basically means: the right to express yourself freely. But the problem I see here is that people sometimes over-abuse it. They take for granted that they can say whatever they want no matter what and that can be an evident source of conflict. Some people use that right but dwell into subjectivity and in the end, there is sometimes nothing good that come out of it. They justify their own opinion by mentionning the "freedom of speech" and lock themselves into it. They use it to justify their lack of objectivity (or so to speak).

So now freedom from speech. I don't really know how I could define this but the way I understand it so far is that freedom from speech comes from transmitted knowledge. Speech here would relate to knowledge which can, indeed, 'set you free' when applied correctly.

So I'll leave it as is for now and wait for your responses. I think that the understanding of these notions could be very helpful.

Thanks in advance.

Peace.

The idea of "freedom from speech" was used by Laura, as Gandalf pointed out, and I think it was just a term she invented as a way to point out that some people think 'freedom of speech" means they can go around saying what they like to whoever they like. This obviously will eventually infringe the rights of others, which brings up the idea of the rights of other to NOT be subjected to someone's arrogance masquerading as "freedom of speech".

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Thank you Gandalf I remember it now. That was in the Baked Noodles section.

And thank you Perceval, that is a good way to point it out.

Sort of what I was thinking but you pointed out the rights of others here which is important.

Very well then!

Peace.

 

[SoCurious]

Freedom from Speech is that short period of peace directly after the elections.

 

[whitecoast]

I think "freedom from speech" also has to do with the signal/noise ratio in particular settings. If you're in a math class, for example, there is a reasonable expectation that subject matter and speech should be restricted to discussing math theory, problems, solutions, methods, et cetera. If some raving lunatic started babbling on about HAARP or celebrity gossip to the point of distracting others from their aim and purpose in gathering for a math class (to learn about MATH), the teacher has every right to clamp down and ask them to pipe down or take their "free speech" elsewhere. They can philosophize away in their own imaginary worlds on their own time - that's their God-given right - but not on other people's time without their consent.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Freedom from Speech is that short period of peace directly after the elections.

Ahh, good example!

In Québec, the elections are ongoing and the vote is on the 4th of September.

Depending on who is elected, we might not have a short period of peace directly after. The battle is between a separatist party (Parti Québécois) and two nationalists parties (Parti Libéral and the Coalition Avenir Québec).

If separatists are elected, they will ask for a referendum as soon as 15% of the population have signed a request.

So anyhow, I've followed the campaing and think they over-abuse their "freedom of speech". Seriously, what a farce. Political debates are so lame to my eyes. I call this "intelectual dishonesty".

Good example as to how freedom of speech can be used to say whatever non-sense they want.

Peace.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

I think "freedom from speech" also has to do with the signal/noise ratio in particular settings. If you're in a math class, for example, there is a reasonable expectation that subject matter and speech should be restricted to discussing math theory, problems, solutions, methods, et cetera. If some raving lunatic started babbling on about HAARP or celebrity gossip to the point of distracting others from their aim and purpose in gathering for a math class (to learn about MATH), the teacher has every right to clamp down and ask them to pipe down or take their "free speech" elsewhere. They can philosophize away in their own imaginary worlds on their own time - that's their God-given right - but not on other people's time without their consent.

Well said!

Thanks.