Friend with heart disease.

[Mountain Crown]

My friend John, who is 62 yrs. old has a bad heart and type 2 diabetes. His doctor's insisted on bypass surgery about 10 yrs ago, but not trusting conventional medical advice, sought treatment from a nutritionist who through diet helped him restore his health.

Since then he has backslid into eating everything and anything, is overweight and has a burning chest and lack of breath after walking one or two blocks. He's a carpenter and has to deal with much stress at work and home.

Returning to his nutritionist hasn't helped much, suffering a mild heart attack last week. The diet is difficult for him to maintain for reasons both sensible and ludicrous.

For a couple of years I've been sharing basic knowledge of nutrition such as the dangers of gluten and heavy carbohydrate consumption as well as the basic fundamentals of metabolism. The diet he was given is OK since it basically lowered carbs and he is insulin resistant. However his nutritionist is a vegetarian who took away read meat, lowered fat intake, and insists on three servings of fruit a day.

He's fearing for his life and has been reaching out to me asking if it's still reasonable to resist open heart surgery. I can't say much other than give the moral support of a friend, but I offered to ask the forum about it, since he's aware of the solid research done here.

Is it still an option for John to forgo the bypass?

 

[HiThere]

It depends on what state his coronary arteries are in, and whether he has had previous myocardial infarctions. His blood pressure, diabetes, nutrition and weight are all important aspects.

 

[LQB]

Hi Jerry,

From much past research I am aware of many cases where folks in the condition of your friend were able to cancel surgery solutions (some in less than 2 weeks) by continuous absorption of a combination of Vit C, lysine, and proline - the building blocks for repair of artery walls and subsequent release of lipoprotien blockages. The Vit C Foundation makes a version of this under the name Cardio-C.

If I were in the position of your friend, I would begin immediately with the Cardio-C (or equivalent), sip the mixture (in water) continuously during the day, and move the diet in the direction of Paleo to put a hard limit on the carbs, gluten, and dairy.

The Cardio C type treatment apparently works just as well for folks that have already gone the route of stents, bypass, etc.

Hope this helps

 

[Alana]

My friend John, who is 62 yrs. old has a bad heart and type 2 diabetes. His doctor's insisted on bypass surgery about 10 yrs ago, but not trusting conventional medical advice, sought treatment from a nutritionist who through diet helped him restore his health.

Since then he has backslid into eating everything and anything, is overweight and has a burning chest and lack of breath after walking one or two blocks. He's a carpenter and has to deal with much stress at work and home.

Returning to his nutritionist hasn't helped much, suffering a mild heart attack last week. The diet is difficult for him to maintain for reasons both sensible and ludicrous.

For a couple of years I've been sharing basic knowledge of nutrition such as the dangers of gluten and heavy carbohydrate consumption as well as the basic fundamentals of metabolism. The diet he was given is OK since it basically lowered carbs and he is insulin resistant. However his nutritionist is a vegetarian who took away read meat, lowered fat intake, and insists on three servings of fruit a day.

He's fearing for his life and has been reaching out to me asking if it's still reasonable to resist open heart surgery. I can't say much other than give the moral support of a friend, but I offered to ask the forum about it, since he's aware of the solid research done here.

Is it still an option for John to forgo the bypass?

I really can't answer that, but the first thing that came to mind is this info posted on another thread about EDTA chelation therapy:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30709.msg404094.html#msg404094

But that addresses the damage done to his arteries so far, he really needs to change his diet as not to find himself in the same position in the future. There's plenty of articles posted on SOTT that he could read, like this one for example:

http://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-Surgeon-Speaks-Out-On-What-Really-Causes-Heart-Disease

If he is seriously fearing for his life, he will need to educate himself to find the will to follow a diet that is good for his heart, without excuses.

 

[Gaby]

Jerry, I think you will be able to tell better what option is the more viable now. From personal experience, if a person is already considering heart surgery as an option, he or she is already too afraid. This clouds decisive action and it makes taking personal responsibility quite difficult. That doesn't mean "all is lost", but that he will feel more comfortable if someone with experience guides him through the problem. Be it an holistic or integrative clinic were vitamin C or EDTA (or any other alternative therapy that is meant to "open up" his arteries) is offered. Ideally a health care provider with experience should be involved, so as to be practical and objective enough to call in the last resource treatment (i.e. bypass surgery) if things are not progressing well.

I think that with some detox your friend will feel better and perhaps will get motivated to start with the paleo diet.

If he is going to see any improvement, he has to level his blood sugar levels. If he has been diabetic for long, it is likely his arteries are all calcified and full of clogs, making any alternative therapy trickier to "stick in". This is especially the case if he is already on insulin injections, but not necessarily. A carpenter could also be consider as a person in a health risk job if he is breathing dust and other toxics on a daily basis.

The worst coronary arteries I've ever seen are those in diabetic people, especially women. Sugar is deadly and so, his first priority should be cutting it down drastically.

As far as tolerating heart surgery, as dramatic as it may sound, it is usually "well" tolerated if it is not done on an emergency setting. It sounds like your friend is not in that case. But as with everything, heart surgery implies a mortality risk, as low as it may be. So is his current state if his problem is not addressed.

Hope he takes care, either with help or by his own steam.

 

[Mountain Crown]

Thanks everyone.

 

[Gaby]

FWIW, here is a database on chelation therapy. See link below for the hyperlinks.

_http://www.townsendletter.com/Chelation/chelation_portal.htm

Jonathan Collin, MD specializes in preventative medicine, with emphasis on nutrition and wellness. Certain patients with circulation disorders or toxic metal poisoning are considered for a special treatment known as EDTA Chelation Therapy. The following links offer some basic information on — and personal experiences with — EDTA Chelation Therapy.

A Timeline for EDTA Chelation Therapy as a Treatment for Vascular Disease
by Terry Chappell, John Trowbridge, and Michael Schachter

Cardiovascular Chelation
by John Parks Trowbridge, MD
(May 2010)

Chelation Corner
Chelating Iron in Conditions of Iron Overload (Hemochromatosis)
by E. Blaurock-Busch, PhD
Online publication only
(May 2009)

Chelation Corner
Toxic Metals and Autism
by E. Blaurock-Busch, PhD
Online publication only
(April 2008)

Chelation, Heavy Metals, Heart Disease, and Health: An Oral Detoxification Program: Part Two
by Garry Gordon, MD (H)
Full text online publication only
(July 2007)

Shorts briefed by Jule Klotter
The Chelation Controversy, a Basic Health Guide
AND Chelation for Autism
(April 2006)

Thirty Years of Progress in Cardiovascular Health
by Michael Gerber, MD, HMD, MD(H)
A comprehensive catalogue of non-toxic therapies for the prevention and reversal of heart disease compiled by a long-experienced practitioner.
(February/March 2006)

Chelation Therapy: Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow
by Martin Dayton, DO, MD, MD(h)
A primer on chelation therapy and a look at the revolutionary Trial to Access Chelation Therapy (TACT), a National Institutes of Health-sponsored study.
ALSO: Dayton is the author of The Case for Intravenous Chelation Therapy. (There's a link to the free download of the book at the bottom of the article.)
(February/March 2006)

From the Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients

EDTA Intravenous Chelation Demonstrated Effective in Coronary Artery Disease by Electron Beam Tomography
by Jonathan Collin, MD
(August/September 2002)

Chelation Study Criticized
by Stuart H. Freedenfeld, MD
(November 2002)

Interview with Arline Brecher on Chelation Therapy
from Laura Lee's "Conversation for Exploration"
The coauthor, with her husband, of Forty-Something Forever explains the history and scientific basis of chelation therapy for treating cardiovascular disease.
(November 2002)

Editorial: Wisconsin State Medical Board Imposes Harsh Sanctions Against Chelation Physician
by Jonathan Collin, MD
(January 2003)

Oral Chelation and Nutritional Replacement Therapy for
Chemical & Heavy Metal Toxicity and Cardiovascular Disease
by Maile Pouls, Ph.D.
Director of Research for Extreme Health
July 1999

From earlier publications and other sources:

A Clinical Study: EDTA Chelation Therapy in the Treatment of Arteriosclerosis and Atherosclerotic Conditions
by Jonathan Collin, MD

Chelation Therapy—An Alternative to Bypass Surgery
Dean Baxter’s Speech to the American Academy of Medical Preventics

Editor's Note RE: Chelation Therapy An Alternative to Bypass Surgery
(A Patient’s Report by Dean Baxter)
Jonathan Collin, MD

My Experience with EDTA Chelation Therapy
Ted Dickson

Chelation Therapy
from the New Age Journal article by Judith Glassman

Chelation Therapy and Preventive Medicine
by Ray Evers, MD

What’s the Fuss Over Chelation?
by Jonathan Collin, MD

EDTA Chelation: Why Is It Being Denied Access To Victims of Heart Disease?

Chelation Therapy is Not a Placebo

Chelation Therapy
How to Prevent Or Reverse Hardening of the Arteries