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hi,

nowadays, i am sharing and discussing cassiopaean knowledge in some forum.

and i am wondering about some point. somewhere in session transcripts it was implied that positive beings dont go back to negative but that negatives do go forward to the positive.

if we equate sto to positive and sts to negative and if half of the earth humanity were previously in the pure sto pathway in the long wave, how could they choose to transit to the sts? isnt this a backward movement then? what is the point that i miss??
 
bozadi said:
hi,

nowadays, i am sharing and discussing cassiopaean knowledge in some forum.

and i am wondering about some point. somewhere in session transcripts it was implied that positive beings dont go back to negative but that negatives do go forward to the positive.

if we equate sto to positive and sts to negative and if half of the earth humanity were previously in the pure sto pathway in the long wave, how could they choose to transit to the sts? isnt this a backward movement then? what is the point that i miss??
I don’t think we’re capable of understanding it at this level and probably a waste of time trying to discuss it. But this is my wild speculation and obviously it’s likely to be as wrong as it ever could be.

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Q: (L) Is there only one ultimate creator of the universe
A: All is one. And one is all.
Q: (L) From the one what was the first division?
A: Mass division and disbursement.
Q: (L) Was this simultaneous?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was this what we refer to as the "Big Bang?"
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is there any reference to this event in terms of time?
A: Always.
Q: (L) Can we say that all that exists in the material universe is, say, "x" number of
years old?
A: No. It is the eternal now. Not only did happen, is happening and going to happen.
The expanded presence.

From what the C’s say here, I imagine 7th density disbursing into every possible dimension and density all at once. ( But at 7th density everything lower is an illusion so it never really disbursed anywhere.) Wherever each bit ended up is based on what knowledge it gained from experiencing lower levels and growing more awareness to progress to the next higher level. So for instance, ( and bearing in mind that everything happens in the eternal NOW,) what we believe to be US at this moment will always remain at this 3d level, what we WERE when experiencing 2d, 1d etc. is still there at those levels from the point of view of 7d .

So too, whatever awareness we might become if we get to 4d is there already in potential and always has been. The C’s say they are some of ‘us’ in the future. I suspect that their awareness has been there at 6d since the mass disbursement, because they’ve already done the trip through the lower levels, just as our awareness as we have now has always been at 3d somewhere or other and we’ve already done our lower levels. From the perspective of a 1d and 2d awareness WE are them, in the future, in potential.

Now to try to grasp your question. At the 7d mass disbursement some consciousness went to the level where we were before the ‘fall’ a sort of 3d/4d level in another realm. Maybe all consciousness starts there, some sort of initial waiting area before ‘falling into physicality’ of 1d, 2d, 3d.
The reason for that level could be that they have to choose to do physicality themselves, and having never experienced physicality at that point they were naïve and thought it might be fun. So although they were sto they hadn’t actually chosen sto. So in order to get the experience to choose sts or sto they ‘fell’.

So to get to the point, I think it was possible to go from sto to sts because the hadn’t actually chosen sto at that point.

And that, I must stress, is just my wild imagination, and having written it I could probably pull it apart myself.
 
Bozadi said:
hi,

nowadays, i am sharing and discussing cassiopaean knowledge in some forum.

and i am wondering about some point. somewhere in session transcripts it was implied that positive beings dont go back to negative but that negatives do go forward to the positive.

if we equate sto to positive and sts to negative and if half of the earth humanity were previously in the pure sto pathway in the long wave, how could they choose to transit to the sts? isnt this a backward movement then? what is the point that i miss??
I can't find the exact transcripts, but I believe they say that souled humans existed in realm with variability of physicality aligned with STO, and as such, would neither be on the long-wave cycle nor pure STO. Remember the C's say pure STO (i.e. 100% pure) does not go back because they are already balanced and have completely pure thoughts and intentions. If we're not completely STO we can go either way, osit.
 
hi friends,

the possibility given by Peam as "...they hadn't actually chosen sto at that point" and another possibility given by Kesdjan as "If we're not completely STO we can go either way..." seem to somewhat similar. and these possibilities really force me to think on my question in new ways. i think i was struct at a static point of view. thank you both.
 
The issue in question is in the following session excerpt:

Cs said:
14 January 1995

Q: (L) Okay, let's take a short break... [break] Now,
guys, I guess you have been listening to our discussion
and you listened to Jan read the paragraph from the
article about 4th density experience being the highest
level of wishful thinking, that wishful thinking becomes
reality... (J) Or did I take it out of context?
A: Close. STS.
Q: (L) So, STO wishful thinking...
A: STO does not wishfully think.
Q: (L) Well, how does STO think? ...
A: Helpful and balanced. Wishes are strictly STS.
Q: (L) So, acceptance of experience in the sense of just
allowing things to happen and responding in a balanced and
helpful way is an STO response or experience in 4th
density, is that correct?
A: Close.
Q: (L) And therefore, seeing things moving past such as what
I saw by my window, and responding to them basically in an
open, curious, and allowing way would have been an STO
response, is that correct?
A: Maybe.
Q: (T) It depends on how you respond curiously. (T) The
Lizzies are hanging out in 4th density too, and they are
not STO, are they?
A: Correct.
Q: (T) So, they are not having STO helpful, responsible..
A: True.
Q: (T) So, in 4th density, both types can still happen?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) The desired type is the STO type thinking...?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) But STS thinking is also available if that is the way
you decide to go when you get there?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) This of course limits you in your ability to move up
to 6th density?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Once you are in 4th density, if you choose STS, can
you change it to STO?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So you can move back and forth as you so desire and it
is all still free will?
A: If you move from STS to STO in 4th level, you don't move
back.
Q: (T) Once you are STS in 4th density you have to stay
there? (L) No. (J) If you move from STS to STO in 4th
density you don't go back to STS, you stay at STO, is that
correct? (T) That's what I mean, once you have decided to
do STO, that's where you stay because you don't have any
desire to go back to STS?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So, it is not so much that you don't have a choice, it
is just that you don't want to go back to STS?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So if you move up and do what the Lizards are doing,
then you continue to do that until you get tired of it or
see different, or become enlightened and then move to STO
and then that's where you will want to stay?
A: Open.
Q: (T) Can you move from STO back to STS? I know you said
you can't, but that's because you choose not to?
A: Natural factors prohibit this.
Q: (L) So, I guess that once you get to STO natural factors,
the nature of that position is that you just simply
don't... it just doesn't happen.
A: Now, blockbuster for you: 3rd level beings who reach total
STO profile automatically and instantaneously go to 4th
level at moment achieved!
Q: (T) They just vanish? Have people done that before here?
A: Yes.
Q: (F) Yeah, I've heard of that. (T) Sure, people disappear
that all the time. (L) Well, I don't think it happens
that often, but I think it happens... (F) It has happened.
(J) People disappear and you never hear what happened to
them. (F) There have been cases where people have
suddenly vanished, where a flash of light has just hit
them and Poof! (T) Like spontaneous combustion... (F)
No... (J) Not spontaneous combustion because the body is
left behind. (F) There have been cases where people were
actually sitting with other people and suddenly everybody
present suddenly sees a blinding flash of light and that
person is Spffft! Gonzeroni! (L) Gonzeroni? (F) Once
and for all! (T) I want to ask this question, if it has
already been asked, somebody stop me, what is the total
STO profile? (L) Total lack of concern for self.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, in other words, you don't do anything or think
anything in terms of fulfilling or doing for self. You
always think in terms of doing or fulfilling for others.
(T) Damn, I've got a long way to go then... (Chorus) Don't
we all!
Notice that they are talking about a specific level of density where both options exist. Apparently, STS does not exist at 6th density except as "thought reflection".

10 December 1994
Q: (T) Is STO a means to an end for STS?
A: No. STO is balance. STS is imbalance.
Q: (T) How can you be STS through STO if STS is imbalance?
A: STO flows outward and touches all including point of
origin, STS flows inward and touches only origin point.
Q: (T) Well, they refer in the material that I am reading
through, that they are STS through STO. (L) They serve
self BY serving others. (T) Is that what they mean? (L)
Yeah. (T) Is that what we're supposed to do, serve
ourselves by serving others? (T) Yeah! Because what goes
around, comes around. If you serve others then you get
things back. (F) Because when you serve yourself, all
there is is an infinite number of individuals serving
self. (T) There is no energy exchange, no synergy within
the group; there is no exchange. (F) Everything moves
inward. (T) There is no sharing, no growth, there is no
nothing. (F) No interconnecting. (T) Right! There is no
learning. (L) In terms of major STS, this may or may not
be related, could you tell us the nature of a Black Hole?]
A: Grand Scale STS.
Q: (L) Is it like a being that has achieved such a level of
STS that it has literally imploded in on itself in some
way?
A: Close analogy.
Q: (T) Possibly an entire civilization of STS?
A: No.
Q: (L) Well, maybe a civilization can't do it because that
implies working together. It must need to be an
individual being.
A: Black Holes are a natural force reflection of Free Will
consciousness pattern of STS. Notice that Black Holes are
located at center of spiral energy forces, all else
radiates outward.
Q: (L) Now, you say "spiral" energy forces, and you also have
said that this wave is a spiral. Is the central point of
this wave that is spiraling, a black hole?
A: No.
Q: (L) Is it a radiating wave?
A: All in creation is just that: a radiating wave.
Q: (L) Where does the energy go that gets sucked into a black
hole?
A: Inward to total nonexistance.
Q: (L) Well, if a black hole continues to suck stuff in, is
it possible that it would eventually suck in the entire
creation?
A: No.
Q: (L) Why is that?
A: Universe is all encompassing. Black holes are final
destination of all STS energy.
Q: (F) So, does this mean that we, or anyone else who is
classified as STS, remains on said path, that we will
eventually end up in a Black Hole?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Well, that is pleasant. And what happens to energy
that is "total non-existence"?
A: Total non-existance balances total existence. Guess what
is total existence?
Q: (L) Well, is it kind of like a balancing force?
A: "God."
Q: (T) Are we talking about the creator god as in the
Pleiadians?
A: Not Pleiadians. Prime Creator.
Q: (T) What is the difference between the Prime Creator and
"God?"
A: None. As long as you exist, you are of the Prime Creator.
Q: (L) Now, this stuff that goes into Black Holes, that goes
into non-existence, is that, then, not part of the Prime
Creator?
A: Correct.
Q: (L) How can Prime Creator lose any part of him or itself?
A: Prime Creator does not "lose" anything.
Q: (L) Well, then, how would you describe this energy that
was in existence and then is no longer in existence
because it has become or gone into a Black Hole?
A: Reflection is regenerated at level 1.
Q: (L) So, this energy goes into a Black Hole and... does it
come out on the other side?
A: No.
Q: (L) Does it become like a primal atom?
A: No.
Q: (T) Does it go back into the cycle?
A: No. Reflection regenerates as primal atoms.
Q: (L) So, this energy that is sucked into the Black Holes...
what (T) When we put out energy as positive or negative
energy, and there are beings on other levels that feed on
this energy, is this true?
A: Yes.
7 January 1995

Q: (L) Let me ask this: I am kind of drifting into another
subject, but we are talking about being in space. We
talked at one point, I believe, of the matrices of the
various planets and our perceptions of the planets in our
solar system, and these matrices being almost like a
doorway to another density, and that if we were in the
proper dimensional mode that we would see the other
planets of our own solar system quite differently from how
we see them in our third density mode, and that we would,
in fact, be able to look upon Venus, which manifests in
3rd density as a pretty hellish place, with temperatures
900 degrees or thereabouts, and we would find it to be
something else altogether with beings inhabiting it, is
this correct.
A: Yes. Beings live absolutely everywhere in one realm or
another.
Q: (L) Are the beings who live on the planet Venus aware of
us on the planet Earth?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are there beings also living on Mars?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are they aware of us?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are the beings on all the other planets in our solar
system aware of us here, on planet Earth?
A: Yes, because they are all of higher density.
Q: (L) Why is it that the Earth seems to be the lower density
planet and we seem to be kind of left out in the cold, so
to speak. They know of us, but we can't perceive them.
Why is this? Why are we singled out for this? (D) Was
earth created after all the others?
A: NO, no, no.
Q: (T) Are they interacting with us?
A: Okay, stop, whoa! A review session follows: Who is 1st
density?
Q: (L) Rocks and minerals, right?
A: And?
Q: (L) Plants?
A: Yes. Now, what awareness do you suppose they have of you?
Q: (L) What awareness do rocks and plants have of US?! Oh,
dear God! (V) That's an interesting way to put it. An
excellent example. (T) When we ask why higher beings have
awareness of us but we are not aware of them, we need to
ask what awareness beings lower than us have of us. (J)
Obviously no more than we have of 4th density. (T) But when
you play music to a plant, it has some awareness because
it makes it grow better. (L) But music is not a being.
(T) It's an energy wave. (J) Wait a minute... what they
are saying is: they have no more awareness of us than we,
as 3rd density beings, have of 4th density beings. (T)
Does this mean that they interact with us the way we
interact with plants?
A: Who is "on" 2nd level.
Q: (L) Animals. (T) Insects, lower life forms.
A: Now, think carefully, what level of awareness, and more
importantly, understanding, do they have of you?
Q: (L) Well, I guess they are aware of us in some way, but
they don't understand us... (T) Some do at some point...
(T) They understand us to a certain extent... (F) But
their understanding is entirely different from our
understanding of them. In other words, they see these big
hulking beings, but they don't know what's going on.
(L) Was Ouspensky's explanation of how animals perceive
humans very close to the truth?
A: Close. Now, what about 1st level understanding and
perception of 2nd level?
Q: (L) Okay, 1st density, minerals and plants... now rocks
and minerals combine with plants through growing actions,
water dissolution, erosion, and so on, they have a real
limited existence. And what happens is that mostly
animals come along and eat them. (F) Bees pollinate
flowers. (L) Different kinds of animals live in trees.
(T) Some animals live in the ground and in caves. (T) So,
rocks and minerals and plants have a really limited
understanding of the animals above them which interact
with them in various ways.
A: Yes, and you have a limited understanding of the densities
above you.
Q: (L) Well, that is still begging the question, my question
was... (T) As an example, today we all experienced
something we call thunder, but we were all aware that it
was something more. Something happened in 4th density
that we experienced in a certain way, and it was a limited
understanding of that level.
A: Laura, unblock, do rocks and plants "see" you?
Q: (J) Probably not. (D) We don't really know. (T) We see
the 3rd density manifestations of 1st density objects. We
don't see the 1st density perception of itself. So, how
do we see the 4th density manifestations, they see us on a
4th density level... not necessarily as we perceive
ourselves.
A: Tom, you are making rapid progress. Laura better watch
her Butt! [laughter]
Q: (V) So, I am curious... what do rocks look like to each
other? (L) Let's ask. What do rocks see when they look
at each other?
A: They sense each other.
Q: (L) What example of our sensory apparatus would be close
to an example of what a rock senses when it is aware of
another rock?
A: That is a cross conceptualization and will not work.
Q: (L) So there is no way we can interpret what a rock
senses. Well, another 1st density example is plants. We
know that plants can react positively to certain persons
and negatively to others. They have experimented with
hooking them up to polygraph machines and measured these
responses. (J) They also react to music... (T) Third
density reactions...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) If plants interact with each other, do they feel, say,
fondness for one another?
A: Something akin to that.
Q: (L) Does it hurt a plant when we eat it?
A: Does it hurt you when a "Lizzie" eats you?
Q: (T) Yes, you see, on 4th density... we are on 3rd density
and we eat 1st and 2nd density, the 4th density eats us.
(D) If we hurt plants by eating them like the Lizzies hurt
us when they eat us, how are we to survive without eating?
A: When you no longer crave physicality, you no longer need
to "eat."
Q: (L) So part of the "fall" into the physical existence and
part of the Edenic story of the whole business, "you shall
eat by the sweat of your brow," has to do with being
physical and needing to eat?
A: Lucifer, "The fallen Angel." This is you.
Q: (L) So, "falling" means going into physical existence
wherein you must feed on other life, other beings, is that
it?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) When plants feed on 1st level beings such as rocks and
water and so forth, do the 1st density beings feel pain?
A: That is redundant. We have already covered this.
Q: (T) So when a plant absorbs nutrients.... (L) Well, a
plant is the same density as minerals, so it is almost
like... (T) Like two separate entities becoming one? (V)
Like Jeffrey Dahmer... [laughter]
(L) My bologne has a first name... (LM) Minerals dissolve
in water and are then absorbed by the plant, what pain
could there be in this?
A: Subjective, L__.
Q: (L) Maybe the dissolution of, say, phosphate in water, is
a "death" to it...
A: Close. You limit when you perceive on 3rd level only and
think that your perception is all there is.
Q: (L) So, in other words, we should be able to perceive on
1st and 2nd as well as 3rd while working on 4th level
understanding?
A: No. Work on 4th, 5th and 6th.
Q: (L) Is it not also beneficial to understand the 1st and
2nd density levels as well, just simply for the exercise
in understanding that which is below us?
A: Strive always to rise.
Q: (V) Haven't we already done our 1st and 2nd level work as
evolving souls?
A: Yes.
Q: (V) So there is no reason to step back. (T) Who eats the
Lizzies on the 4th level?
A: No one. 4th is the last density for full manifestation of
STS.
Q: (T) So, beings on the 5th and 6th level exist in pure
energy?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) The 4th level is the last for full STS. Does that
mean that the 5th level, which you have described as the
"contemplative" level... what is the state of existence
of a STS being on the 5th level?
A: Souls of 1,2,3, and 4 go to 5th.
Q: (T) So 5th level is where they go to while waiting to go
back to one of the 4 for their next incarnation?
A: Exactly.
Q: (T) That is why it's called the contemplation level. You
go and think about what you have done. (T) What about
souls on 6th density? (L) Are there 6th density STS
beings?
A: No, when you get to 6th you no longer need to recycle.
Q: (L) But still, is there an STS experience at 6th density,
like the 6th density Orions?
A: These are only reflections of individuals, not unified
entities. These reflections exist for balance. They are
not whole entities, just thought forms.
Q: (L) Are these 6th density beings what the Bible describes
as a "gathering" of angels as in the story of Job where
"Lucifer" came in before the Lord...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, there are STS and STO at 6th density which
balance? And they are just there, they exist?
A: Reflection for balance.
Q: (L) Is there any kind of heirarchy to this thing? Do
these beings come before some kind of "Grand Council" and
make plans and discuss things, and make decisions and
implement them?
A: No.
Q: (L) Well, how do things happen? Do things just sort of
happen as a natural interaction of things and energies?
A: Yes.
Q: (V) If we are on the 3rd density and you are working with
us and we are striving to make 4th density, at the same
time are you, at 6th density, striving to reach 7th?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Is helping us, helping you to reach 7th density?
(V) Are there others at higher densities working with you
as you are working with us?
A: No, we all reach 7th level together.
Q: (L) So, in other words, you guys are trying to bring us up
and everbody else is coming up, and when all the pieces
are back together, we then go to 7th, is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So that is your purpose in helping us?
A: It's a natural process.
Q: (T) Will our function be, when we are at 6th density, to
help others on 3rd, as you are doing?
A: Yes. We are you in the future.
More excerpts that cover the issue from other angles:

22 October 1994
Q: (L) Can a spiritual being become entrapped in physical
matter?
A: It's possible but very unlikely.
Q: (L) Are human beings entrapped in physical matter?
A: By choice.
Q: (L) Why did they make this choice?
A: To experience physical sensations. It was a group mind
decision.
Q: (L) Who was in charge of the group?
A: The group.
Q: (L) Does the interaction between the spirit/soul and the
body physical produce some by-product that is desirable to
other beings?
A: Well, all things have desirable consequences as well as
undesirable consequences, but it must also be mentioned
here that everything that exists in all realms of the
universe can experience existence in one of only two ways.
That would be defined as a long wave cycle and a short
wave cycle. Going back to your previous question about
why humans are "entrapped" in physical existence, which,
of course, is voluntary and chosen, this was due to the
desire to change from the long wave cycle experience of
completely what you would call ethereal or spiritual
existence, to the short wave cycle of what you call
physical existence. The difference is that a long wave
cycle involves only very gradual change in evolution in a
cyclical manner. Whereas a short wave cycle involves a
duality. And this is the case with souls in physical
bodies as is experienced on this earth plane because the
soul experiences an ethereal state for half the cycle and
a physical state for the other half of the cycle. While
these halves are not measured in time the way you measure
time, the totality of experience is equal in each half.
The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought
about through nature through the natural bounds of the
universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience
physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.
Q: (L) Does this interaction produce a by-product?
A: It produces equal by-products of a positive and negative
nature.
Q: (L) And what are these by-products?
A: Which one first?
Q: (L) Positive.
A: Positive by-product is an increase in relative energy
which speeds up the learning process of the soul and all
of it's one dimensional and two dimensional interactive
partners. In other words, flora and fauna, minerals, etc.
All experience growth and movement towards reunion at a
faster rate on the cycle through this short wave cycle
physical/ethereal transfer. Of a negative nature, it
also produces many negative experiences for these very
same entities which otherwise would not exist because
being of a first level and second level nature, flora and
fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave
cycle on the physical plane as opposed to a short wave
cycle physical and ethereal, as they do now because of
their interaction with the human species in its short wave
ethereal/physical cycle.
23 Oct 94
Q: (L) Well, then how did mankind come to be here?
A: Combination of factors. Numerous souls desired physical
existence then was altered by three forces including
principally Lizards through Grays, Nephalim and Orion
union. ...

Q: (L) Let's go back to the three forces. You said numerous
souls desired physical existence. When the numerous souls
did this, how did physical existence come to be?
A: First was apelike.
Q: (L) And then what happened? Did these apelike being just
pop into the air? What did the souls do with these
apelike beings?
A: Souls altered them by transfer.
Q: (L) Transfer of what?
A: Souls into seeded bodies. Orion Union was first into
Neanderthal.
Q: (L) The Orion souls came into Neanderthal bodies?
A: No. Put humans there for incubation process.
Q: (L) Were altered ape embryos put back into ape females for
gestation?
A: No. Souls only.
Q: (L) They put the souls into the ape bodies?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Did the soul's presence in the ape body cause its
genetics and DNA to change?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) They entered into living creatures on this planet to
experience 3 d reality and by entering in caused mutation?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Then were altered by Orion Union first. They resemble
you.
Q: (L) Who resembles us?
A: The Orions. ...

Q: (L) So, you are saying that the original creators or
genetic engineers were Orions?
A: Close. The original engineers but not inhabitants.
Q: (L) Where did the souls come from that entered into the
bodies on the planet earth? Were they in bodies on other
planets before they came here?
A: Not this group.
Q: (L) Were they just floating around in the universe
somewhere? A: In union with the One. Have you heard the
Super ancient legend of Lucifer, the Fallen Angel?
Q: (L) Who is Lucifer?
A: You. The human race.
Q: (L) Are the souls of individual humans the parts of a
larger soul?
A: Yes. Close. The One. All who have fallen must learn "the
hard way."
Q: (L) Are you saying that the act of wanting to experience
physical reality is the act of falling?
A: You are members of a fragmented soul unit.
Q: (L) What is it about wanting to be physical is a "fall"?
A: Pleasure for the self. ...

Q: (L) Did, at any time, the human race live for a long time
in an Edenic state, where they were able to use bodies and
still have a spiritual connection?
A: Yes. But not long. No addiction takes long to close the
circle.
Q: (L) So, mankind was addicted to pleasuring the self?
A: Became quickly.
Q: (L) How long from the time of the moving of souls into
bodies did the "Fall" in Eden occur?
A: Not measurable. Remember Laura, there is no time when
this event occurred. Time passage illusion did not exist
at that point as well as many other falsehoods.
Q: (L) So you are saying that the Fall in Eden was also the
beginning of time?
A: Yes.
26 Nov 1994
Q: (L) The other night we were talking about the "Mark of
Cain" and I lost part of the tape. I would like to go
back over that a little bit more at this time. What was
the true event behind the story of the "Mark of Cain?"
A: Advent of jealousy.
Q: (L) What occurred to allow jealousy to enter into human
interaction?
A: Lizard takeover.
Q: (L) Wasn't the Lizard takeover an event that occurred at
the time of the fall of Eden?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was this story of Cain and Abel part of that takeover?
A: Symbolism of story.
Q: (L) This was symbolic of the Lizzie takeover, the advent
of jealousy, and the attitude of brother against brother,
is that correct?
A: Partly. The mark of Cain means the "jealousy factor" of
change facilitated by Lizard takeover of earth's
vibrational frequency. Knot on spine is physical residue
of DNA restriction deliberately added by Lizards. See?
Q: (L) Okay, Jan is going to move her hand up my back and you
tell her when to stop at the "knot".
A: Okay.
Q: (L) You mean the occipital ridge?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What was the configuration of the spine and skull
prior to this addition?
A: Spine had no ridge there. Jealousy emanates from there,
you can even feel it.
Q: (L) Do any of these emotions that we have talked about
that were generated by DNA breakdown, were any of these
related to what Carl Sagan discusses when he talks about
the "Reptilian Brain"?
A: In a roundabout way.
Q: (L) Okay, at the time this "Mark of Cain" came about, were
there other humans on the planet that did not have this
configuration?
A: It was added to all simultaneously.
Q: (L) How did they physically go about performing this act?
What was the mechanism of this event, the nuts and bolts
of it?
A: Are you ready? DNA core is as yet undiscovered enzyme
relating to carbon. Light waves were used to cancel the
first ten factors of DNA by burning them off. At that
point, a number of physical changes took place including
knot at top of spine. Each of these is equally reflected
in the ethereal.
9 December 1994
Q: (L) Well, is that what is wrong with me tonight. You
aren't telling me much.
A: Biological, and we are telling plenty, you are not
"hearing" because biological factors have temporarily
pushed you back more into 3 D.
28 August 1999

Q: I have this book, this Marcia Schafer thing: "Confessions of an Intergalactic Anthropologist," and its a bunch of channelled stuff; one thing she says: "the snake is associated with the sign of wisdom and higher learning, and is often regarded quite highly in mystical circles." She had an interaction with a rattlesnake, for which she felt sympathy, and she also has sympathetic interactions with Lizzies. I would like to have a comment on the idea of the snake as a "sign of wisdom and higher learning." Does this, in fact, represent what the snake symbolizes?
A: Snake is/was reported in context of the viewpoint of the observer.
Q: Are you saying that when the observer's viewpoint is that the snake is a symbol of higher learning, maybe...
A: Maybe the observer was just "blown away" by the experience.
Q: Clarify, please.
A: If you were living in the desert, or jungle, about 7,000 years ago, as you measure time, would you not be impressed if these Reptoid "dudes" came down from the heavens in silvery objects and demonstrated techno-wonders from thousands of years in the future, and taught you calculus, geometry and astrophysics to boot?!?
Q: Is that, in fact, what happened?
A: Yup.
Q: Well, this is one of the problems I am dealing with in trying to write this history of mankind. As I understand it, or as I am trying to figure it out from the literature, prior to the 'Fall in Eden,' mankind lived in a 4th density state. Is that correct?
A: Semi/sort of.
Q: Please be more specific.
A: 4th density in another realm, such as time/space continuum, etc.
Q: Okay, so this realm changed, as a part of the cycle; various choices were made: the human race went through the door after the 'gold,' so to speak, and became aligned with the Lizzies after the 'female energy' consorted with the wrong side, so to speak. This is what you have said. This resulted in a number of effects: the breaking up of the DNA, the burning off of the first ten factors of DNA, the separation of the hemispheres of the brain...
A: Only reason for this: you play in the dirt, you're gonna get dirty.
Q: What was the motivating factor for playing in the dirt? What essential thing occurred? You said once that it was 'desire based imbalance.' What was it a desire for?
A: Increased physicality.
Q: What was the objective sought for in this desire for increased physicality?
A: Sensate.
Q: How was sensate experienced so that these beings had an idea that they could get more if they increased their physicality?
A: Not experienced, demonstrated.
Q: Demonstrated how, by who?
A: Do you not know?
Q: It was demonstrated by the Lizzies?
A: Basically.
Q: Demonstrated in what way? Did they say: 'here, try this!' Or did they demonstrate by showing or doing?
A: Closer to the latter.
Q: They were doing, experimenting, playing, and saying: 'look, we are doing this, it's so great, come here and try it?'
A: Not really. More like: "you could have this."
Q: What seemed to be so desirable about this increased physicality when they said 'you can have this?'
A: Use your imagination!
Q: Was there any understanding, or realization of any kind, that increased physicality could be like Osiris lured into his own coffin by Set? That they would then slam the lid shut and nail him in?
A: Obviously, such understanding was lacking.
Q: Sounds like a pretty naive bunch! Does the lack of this understanding reflect a lack of knowledge?
A: Of course. But more, it is desire getting in the way of...
Q: Okay. The 'Fall' occurred. It seems like, and some of the archaeological studies indicate, that for many thousands of years, there was a peaceful existence and a nice agrarian society where the goddess or female creative forces were worshipped. At least, this is what a lot of present-day books are proposing...
A: No. These events took place 309000 years ago, as you measure it. This is when the first prototype of what you call "modern man" was created. The controllers had the bodies ready, they just needed the right soul matrix to agree to "jump in."
Q: So, prior to this time, this prior Edenic state...
A: Was more like 4th density.
Q: But that implies that there was some level of physicality. Was there physicality in the sense of bodies that look like present-day humans?
A: Not quite.
Q: What did these pre-fall...
A: Cannot answer because it is too complex for you to understand.
Q: Does this mean that the are experienced... that the bodies we possibly would move into as 4th density beings, assuming that one does, would also be too complex for us to understand? You are saying that this 'sort of 4th density' pre-Fall state, in terms of the physical bodies, is too complex to understand. If going back to 4th density is anything like coming from 4th density, does that mean that what we would go back to is something that is too complex to understand? This variability of physicality that you have described?
A: Yes.
Q: So, was there any kind of worship of God, or religious activity in this pre-Fall state; this Edenic, 4th density state?
A: No need when one has a clue.
Q: What I am trying to get at here, what I am trying to understand, is the transition from the goddess worship to the god worship; the change from the understanding of cyclical time as expressed in the feminine cycles, and expressed as the goddess; to the concept of linear time, expressed as the masculine principle. It seems to me that these were stages of inversion of concepts which gradually led to the ideas that the Lizzies are imposing on us, and seem to have been working in this direction for millennia - the dominator experience which expresses as: believe in something outside yourself that will save you, otherwise you are damned because the world is gonna end, and you are going to get judged. This is the concept I am trying to deal with here. I am trying to understand what was worshipped. Okay, we had these guys; they fell from Eden, but they were still fairly close to the original concepts, in some terms. Once they jumped into the physical bodies, as you put it, what was their level of conceptualization regarding the universe? Did they still retain some understanding at that point?
A: Kind of like the understanding one has after severe head trauma, vis a vis your normal understanding in your current state.
Q: So, they were traumatized; they may have had bits and pieces of ideas and memories, but they may also have lost a great deal altogether. There may have even been a sort of "coma" state of mankind for many millennia. But, after they woke up, with the bits and pieces floating around in their heads, they may have begun to attempt to piece it all together. So, they started putting it all back together. What was the first thing they put together regarding the cosmos around them?
A: Sex.
Q: What did they decide about sex? I mean, sex was there. They were having sex. Is that it? Or, did they understand the cosmos as sex?
A: More like the former. After all, that is what got you guys in this mess in the first place! Just imagine the sales job if you can: "Look how much fun this is! Want to try it?!? Oops, sorry, we forgot to tell you, you cannot go back!"
Q: I really fail to understand - and I know it is a big issue that has been hinted at and alluded to, and outright claims have been made regarding sex in all religions and mythologies - but I fail to understand the mechanics of how this can be the engineering of a 'fall.' What, precisely, are the mechanics of it? What energy is generated? How is it generated? What is the conceptualization of the misuse of this energy, or the use of the energy?
A: It is simply the introduction of the concept of self-gratification of a physical sort.
Q: On many occasions you have said that the ideal thing is to have perfect balance of physicality and ethereality. This has been said on a number of occasions. Now, I don't understand how it can be that gratification of a physical body can be the mechanics by which one is entrapped? Is it not gratifying to look at something beautiful? Is it wrong, sinful, or a form of a fall, to look at beauty, to hear something beautiful such as music, or to touch something that is sensually delightful such as a piece of silk or the skin of a loved one? These various things that the human being derives pleasure from very often elevate them to a spiritual state.
A: Possession is the key.
Q: What do you mean?
A: In STS, you possess.
Q: That's what I am saying here...
A: If you move through the beautiful flowers, the silk, the skin of another, but do not seek to possess...
Q: It seems to me that it is possible to experience all of these things, including sex, without the need or desire to possess; only to give. In which case, I still don't understand how it can be a mechanism for a 'fall.'
A: If it is desired, then the mechanism is not to give. Do you eat a piece of chocolate cake because it is good to give to the stomach?
Q: Well, you could!
A: No, in STS, which is your realm do not forget, one gives because of the pleasant sensation which results.
Q: Could it not be said that, if everything that exists is part of God, including the flesh, that if one gives to the flesh, without being attached to the giving, that it could be considered a giving to the 'All?'
A: Explain the process.
Q: For example: there are some people who like to suffer, because they believe that the flesh is sinful. That is a big thing that the Lizzies have instituted. For centuries they have wanted people to suffer, and they have made this big deal about sex and anything that might be considered pleasant or desirable should be denied, and that a person should suffer, and revel in their suffering. And, actually, making a person...
A: If one seeks to suffer, they do so in expectation of future reward. They desire to possess something in the end.
Q: What I am saying is: if a person can simply BE, in the doing and being of who and what they are, in simplicity; to become involved in doing everything as a meditation, or as a consecration, whether they are walking down the street and being at one with the air, the sunshine, the birds and trees and other people; in this state of oneness, doesn't that constitute a giving to the universe as giving oneself up as a channel for the universe to experience all these things?
A: Not if one is "feeling this oneness."
Q: We are what we are. Nature is nature. Progression is progression. And if people would just relax and be who and what they are in honesty, and do what is according to their nature without violating the Free Will of others, that this is a more pure form of being than doing things out of any feeling of expectation, or desire; to just BE, not want... just BE?
A: Yes, but STS does not do that.
Q: (A) From which I draw conclusions: if there STS around us, we cannot just...
A: You are all STS. If you were not, you would not be where you are.
Q: (A) There are those who are happy in the STS mode; and there are those who are trying to get out of the STS mode...
A: STO candidate.
24 June 2000
Q: (L) ... A reader writes: "Laura, I commend you on your vision, fortitude, courage... I have read most of the material with great interest. It feels right, but I have a couple of questions: I can't reconcile the idea of our being trapped or lured (by sensuality) into a physical state with the idea that we have progressed through the vegetative and animal states." This is a good question. It seems that the energy of creation has progressed through the vegetative and animal states, that animals can graduate to third density and become human, just as humans can graduate to 4th density. How do we reconcile this with the idea that human souls were entrapped into third density bodies from 4th density, by the Lizards? Are we talking about two different functions? Two different groups?
A: Humans were not entrapped by the "Lizards."
Q: (B) We volunteered! (L) Well, they did say that the Lizards were waiting for the right soul matrix to "step in." So, we were the right soul matrix and we stepped into these engineered bodies that the Lizards created. That's what you said. So, how do we reconcile us stepping into these engineered third density bodies with soul evolution through the vegetative and animal states?
A: If you look more closely at the material, it was not stated that the consciousness levels currently represented by humans and many others "stepped into" anything in particular but PHYSICALITY.
Q: (F) Perhaps individual consciousness units have stepped into different physical forms. Some may have "stepped" in as humans right off the bat, and some may have done otherwise. (B) You can't get hung up on any kind of evolutionary system. It's just an ongoing and concurrent thing.. (F) It is simply that WE chose to experience physicality in many forms, maybe simultaneous rather than in a linear progression, but since we perceive time the way we do, it seems that it is a progression. We could be all kinds of things in other realities. (L) So that relates back to the idea of "simultaneous disbursement?" Half of The All chose to "fall asleep" as matter, and other "units" or groups chose to interact with matter by "informing" it with life of all different varieties, more or less simultaneously? So we can have souls that are slow accretions out of matter over the long wave cycle, moving through the densities over aeons, and souls that thought they would speed things up a bit by a different method of entering directly into bodies and changing them. Well, that seems like a sort of "right off the bat" violation of the free will of the energies of such bodies and their emerging consciousnesses in the long wave cycle. That right there is STS even if it was not realized as such at the time. And such an act could have some tremendous implications in terms of what you have called a "desire based imbalance." It takes us back to the story of the Prodigal Son. So we have a very complex idea of souls and their evolution in more than one mode.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And in the end, it is a timeless mass division and disbursement that was, is and will be?
A: Yes.
 
thanks for your interest and for bringing the related excerpts, Laura.

as i understand from the previous answers and from these excerpts, "no u turn" specialty has something to do with the 4th and later densities. and when i asked "isnt that a backward movement" i now see that it isnt since the density levels 1, 2, and 3 experienced by lucifer were not material or shortwave and materiality was something "new". and this movement of novelty must have happened at a critical juncture where this was possible in the natural balance system.

if the lucifer was thinking wishfully, this shows that it is possible to think wishfully even in (or probably from the edge of) the completely ethereal longwave.

of course, i understand that the circumstances necessary for this diversion from the ethereal to not-so-much-ethereal pathway must have developed not abrubtly but cyclically and slowly. this must be much related to the particular gradual positional change of lucifer in the broadband of the longwave. that is, lucifer, by achieving this diversion to the shortwave, must have gone through other distances previously in the longwave which brought it to the borderline of the longwave. and this is all nature and balance.

i see that things are many-faceted and seeking simple and sharp answers doesnt work for most of the times since a quest is not a point but a process. i was obsessed with some particular point which probably is a reflection of more deep-rooted obsessions existing in my psyche and i was kind of "forcing" the issue by trying to obtain a simple equation relating to the interaction between the shortwave and longwave by cross-relation to the interaction between the sts and the sto. probably this is not the particular question the answer of which i need in my current position. i need more meditation. ok, thank you all.
 
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