gluten-free fashion

[sedenion]

Hi,

I'am new here, and for my first post i will begin hard, with a double usage topic : Debate + Question to C's. As a french, i'am very surprised by this very recent (last 5 years) noise about gluten and the whole new gluten-free products that come with. As many probably know, France is the country of bread and patissery and, the secondary country of pasta after Italia. It is another maner to say: France is the country of wheat. And the fact is that gluten-free products are compozed of rice and maize (and i don't even mention what additives they put in to make it appear what it should appear)... And who is the leader of GMO maize and rice ? ... U.S.A... I think you now guess my question.

Q: Is the gluten-free fashion an U.S.A's strategy to favorize the GMO rize and maize over the world (and specially Europe, since Europe countries are the main target of the U.S multinationals).

I can understand that some people are intolerant to gluten, but this gluten-free fashion appear realy suspect to me... sudently, we discover that gluten is the evil. In fact, i don't beleive gluten is a key problem... i think some want to make it a problem, and i would be more interrogative about what american industrials puts in their hamburger's false-bread and additives that comes with gluten-free products (en plus of GMO rice and maize), than the hypothetical toxicity of the gluten in a standard french baquette or italian pasta...

Note: I know this topic is controvetial. I AM controvertial :D

Mod note: Topic moved from Questions for the Cs to Diet and Health

 

[Alada]

Hi sedenion and welcome to the forum, perhaps you could take a minute to post an introduction to yourself and how you found your way here in the Newbies Section, as is customary.

This question is something that we are able to answer for ourselves, and would be better as the focus of research rather than making a question for the Cs. I don’t know how much of the material you’ve read already, but the idea is mentioned more than once that there is more value in our trying to answer such questions for ourselves first. The general tendency for those who have done the research is to avoid nearly all grains and use rice and corn only very sparingly because they have their own problems.

It’s an interesting question about GMOs being used in gluten alternatives, again generally though I think most people as they adapt to a gluten free diet tend to switch to other foods and recipes, rather than try to replicate the diet they had before. It may seem difficult at first, how to live without bread, what to replace the sandwich with for example, but pretty soon you see that there are many and varied options which are actually way better!

Even if gluten were not an issue, the standard diet is still certainly not optimal, so burgers, pastries etc would still be an issue I think if you’re looking for the best fuel to put into the system.

 

[sedenion]

Hi Alada,

I totally agree you about "that there is more value in our trying to answer such questions for ourselves first.", and the fact is that my personnal answere (but without any proof), is that this gluten-free fashion is a kind of marketing operation to promote non-wheal based food, and then, favorize rice+maize based food (wich indirectly favorize the U.S agriculture & GMO corporations).

I personnaly don't want to switch to gluten-free diet, i feel totaly free to poison myself with bread, spaghettis, red wine, and stinking cheese (and spaghettis are really the last thing that annoy my digestive process) :) I understand why you move my topic in this section, however, my interregotation is more about some geopolitical or industrial geostrategy...

I will try to introduce myself in the newbie section, for better and for worse (brace yourself).

 

[Nienna]

Just for your information, sedenion, we do not "debate" on this forum. This forum is a research forum. What we have learned here through research and experimentation is that gluten is not healthy. And, it is insidious in that it takes a lot of time to realize just how it is ruining our health.

There is truth that "gluten-free" foods are pretty much there to keep the money flowing into the corporations. These "gluten-free" foods can, also contain gluten. Either from being manufactured in the same plant that produces bread, pastry, etc., or being made from other gluten containing grains, but not wheat.

The best way to be gluten-free is to not eat grains or processed foods.

And as far as, "I personnaly don't want to switch to gluten-free diet, i feel totaly free to poison myself with bread, spaghettis, red wine, and stinking cheese (and spaghettis are really the last thing that annoy my digestive process)", that's your choice, of course.

But I'd like to tell you that I ate all of those things (and loved them and felt no ill effects) for most of my life and I am now paying for it with health issues. Also, many neurological problems can be helps, sometimes dramatically and sometimes cured, by stopping gluten. Once I stopped eating gluten, things changed quite a bit to the positive. However, there are still things that are a problem because I ate the wrong things for too long a time; and, now, it will take a long time to correct them.

 

[Cyre2067]

Hey Sedenion, just to give you a differing perspective I have celiac's disease and have been diagnosed as such. It's basically an allergic reaction to wheat proteins (gluten).

Now I do think there is something fishy with this whole GF thing, like 50 years ago there was no such thing as celiacs, so why now?

My guess is that the food supply, especially wheat, is being poisoned somehow or that some other toxic advance in for-profit agricultural chemistry has either increased the amount of gluten-proteins in the wheat or new pesticides are being used on the plants which make the gluten more inflammatory. One thing that's clear, if I eat wheat products I end up with nasty diarrhea and flu-like symptoms.

I have also heard of people who have celiacs who enjoy bread-products in Europe with no ill-effects, but there is always the possibility that cryptic damage is being done without their awareness.

One thing that's clear - we don't need grains to survive and most of us that have experiment with various levels of going grain-free feel better and are much healthier for it.

 

[sedenion]

Just for your information, sedenion, we do not "debate" on this forum. This forum is a research forum.

Pretty clear... (not even debates insides research ?)... however this is what i though, sorry for the disturbing :)

Hey Sedenion, just to give you a differing perspective I have celiac's disease and have been diagnosed as such. It's basically an allergic reaction to wheat proteins (gluten).

I do NOT deny that some people are intolerent to gluten (like some people are allergic to arachis, and other tolerate lactose while other don't)... this is not my point.

 

[Siberia]

I agree with Puck:

My guess is that the food supply, especially wheat, is being poisoned somehow or that some other toxic advance in for-profit agricultural chemistry has either increased the amount of gluten-proteins in the wheat or new pesticides are being used on the plants which make the gluten more inflammatory.

I have also heard of people who have celiacs who enjoy bread-products in Europe with no ill-effects, but there is always the possibility that cryptic damage is being done without their awareness.

I think that for some people, in order to figure out that gluten is actually harmful for them, they need to follow a gluten-free diet for a long enough time. Otherwise the damage may be slowly accumulating in their bodies unnoticed. Also, gluten intolerance medical tests may help revealing some issues.

Anyway, even though I cannot say that I may faint if I eat a slice of bread just like this famous comedian, and normally feel okay afterwards, I still prefer to keep grains in my diet to the minimum because of the abovementioned factors. ;)

 

[sedenion]

(my previous response was a bit short, i was on other things... Now i have some alcool, i will try to do... what i... brief...)

As i said, i perfectly understand that somebody have problems with gluten... and, i even can heard that gluten is not really good for health if we abuse of it, etc... if some people feel better without gluten, it is ok for me, personnaly i feel better by eating NOTHING... but i'am too gourmand to stop eating (pure STS pleasure, there is not many pleasure in this f****** planet, so, let me at least this before the global economic collapse)...

The fact is, that my original point was not really diet... ( i lie a bit, i choosed this them because LJK seem for gluten-free diet, since i am naturarly a provocative and polemic guy, so i knew this subject would be a kind of troll... however, my opinion is real: i realy think this gluten-free fashion is a kind of marketing (or even psyop) operation) , so, my original point is more about GMO industries, geopolitics, and "how U.S. corporation try to kill/invade/enslave european industry and agriculture"... This is why i say: This is not realy the good place for this topic...

 

[Pierre]

gluten-free fashion is a kind of marketing operation to promote non-wheal based food, and then, favorize rice+maize based food (wich indirectly favorize the U.S agriculture & GMO corporations).

There is certainly a coordinated effort to spread GM food. One case in point being the intense lobbying conducted by Monsanto and Co to lift the ban of GM human food in some European countries like France or Germany.

However I have doubts about the GMO companies demonizing wheat. Indeed if it was so, why are they investing billions in researching GM wheat?

They have conducted almost 500 field tests and MON71800 is already approved by the FDA.

 

[sedenion]

However I have doubts about the GMO companies demonizing wheat. Indeed if it was so, why are they investing billions in researching GM wheat?

Maybe (and i say maybe, because don't have all keys, and i have no proof) because the - for example - the French market for wheat seed is nearly impenetrable. France have a looong wheat seed selection history, and even a recent history (agriculture plan & reseach during & since the De Gaulle era) to select the the very good seed for... the bread, the pasta, etc... GMO cannot penetrate the french agriculture like maize for example (which is far more an american agriculture).

 

[luc]

However I have doubts about the GMO companies demonizing wheat. Indeed if it was so, why are they investing billions in researching GM wheat?

They have conducted almost 500 field tests and MON71800 is already approved by the FDA.

I agree. From the point of view of corporations, the Gluten-free 'trend' is just another market, another way to make money. So they came up with over-prized maize products and such. But this doesn't mean that they demonize wheat, which is a much bigger market.

BTW, I think the 'fashion' you talk about also has to do with the fact that our toxic world created more and more severe reactions to all kinds of unhealthy things, including Gluten. But if you read the research here and the recommended books, you will see that we can have 'reactions' to Gluten that we are not even aware of, but which ruin our health in the long run.

 

[lainey]

However I have doubts about the GMO companies demonizing wheat. Indeed if it was so, why are they investing billions in researching GM wheat?

They have conducted almost 500 field tests and MON71800 is already approved by the FDA.

I agree. From the point of view of corporations, the Gluten-free 'trend' is just another market, another way to make money. So they came up with over-prized maize products and such. But this doesn't mean that they demonize wheat, which is a much bigger market.

BTW, I think the 'fashion' you talk about also has to do with the fact that our toxic world created more and more severe reactions to all kinds of unhealthy things, including Gluten.

I agree, seeing a rise in people slowly discovering that gluten was harmful meant corporations could cash in on the growing trend of people turning away from gluten products and poison them with something else

But if you read the research here and the recommended books, you will see that we can have 'reactions' to Gluten that we are not even aware of, but which ruin our health in the long run.

I absolutely agree, I am one of those people who spent years thinking gluten had no effect when, in fact, it was destroying my intestinal health.