Good feeding?

[Miss.K]

I was wondering about energetic feeding of a positive kind.

I remember when my sister had gotten a baby and I visited, and I was laying on her sofa with her 2 week old son sleeping on my chest/belly. And a feeling of heavenly peace on earth seemed to emanate from his little body and fill me.
And of cause one explanation is that I probably produced a lot of mother hormones holding a baby, but it felt as if he emanated the energy, so it was not that I was energetically feeding on him as sucking, but more like that unless one move into the shadow, the sun will shine on one making one feel warm, without one trying to suck the sunshine, if that makes sense.

Once I got a hug from a stranger that seemed to emanate kindness energy, and the feeling was as if he came and said "I'm strong, you can feed on me if you want to" and there was the same feeling of that I wasn't sucking anything, but would have had to move away in order to not receive, as it is with sunshine.

So I was wondering if babies energetically feed their mother as much as their mother physically feed them?

And also if such a situation as the hug emanating kindness energy could be described as an STO feeding situation?

 

[Gawan]

I personally don't think that STO feeds on others at all, because the main concept of STO is to give only when asked.

I was wondering about energetic feeding of a positive kind.

I remember when my sister had gotten a baby and I visited, and I was laying on her sofa with her 2 week old son sleeping on my chest/belly. And a feeling of heavenly peace on earth seemed to emanate from his little body and fill me.
And of cause one explanation is that I probably produced a lot of mother hormones holding a baby, but it felt as if he emanated the energy, so it was not that I was energetically feeding on him as sucking, but more like that unless one move into the shadow, the sun will shine on one making one feel warm, without one trying to suck the sunshine, if that makes sense.

It is difficult to tell because you couldn't ask the baby how it felt afterwards and if it was drained. I think also that our own feelings can be very clouded and we most often think or feel a certain way when it also could be the opposite of what was happening.

Maybe taking a partnership as an example I would more say it that it is like being there for your partner and to "give" energy when the partner is in need and the partner "takes" it. In the end it could be about a (positive) tango of giving and taking an where a balance is needed. If it is the same with a baby I don't know since there are many hormones involved (i.e. oxytocin that the mother feels good), beside in a partnership.

 

[riclapaz]

And also if such a situation as the hug emanating kindness energy could be described as an STO feeding situation?

I think it's important context, if a person comes to me offering me a hug to give me positive energy, that would STS, according to the Cs, STO does not determine the needs of others, besides that I'm not asking instead whether I exchange a sincere embrace with another person, both being of one accord, I believe it would have an exchange of energy, assuming the orientation of the two is STO.

January 7, 1995
Frank, Laura, Terry, Jan, V, D, T

Q: (T) So, when we are on the 4th density, we are still in the physical, and we will still be consuming, will we then be consuming that energy from 3rd density, the orgasmic energy, or something like that?

A: Some.

Q: (D) Even if we are STO?

A: Not if completely STO.

Q: (D) Then how do we get energy.... we get energy from each other. Which is more powerful... the service... well we have to be service to others... (L) That is because STO multiplies and grows... STS just fragments, segregates, and gets smaller and smaller... (J) The law of diminishing returns. (D) We can access or receive other's energies as we give our own?

A: Yes.

Q: (D) Well, then, that is where Service to Others is Service to Self. (L) Any last messages? I feel a lot of changing going on here. Is there anything for any of us in the way of guidance?

A: Only if requested specifically.

December 10, 1994
Frank, Laura, Terry and Jan.
Q: (T) You talk about both STO and STS. Yet you tell us that we need to learn to be STO. Why is there a difference between what we have to do and what you are doing?

A: STO is balance because you serve self through others.

Q: (T) You have said a couple of times that you are STS by being STO. Is this not true?

A: Yes. Already answered.

Q: (T) Kind of like: what goes around, comes around?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is STO a means to an end for STS?

A: No. STO is balance. STS is imbalance.

Q: (T) How can you be STS through STO if STS is imbalance?

A: STO flows outward and touches all including point of origin, STS flows inward and touches only origin point.

Q: (T) Well, they refer in the material that I am reading through, that they are STS through STO. (L) They serve self BY serving others. (T) Is that what they mean? (L) Yeah. (T) Is that what we're supposed to do, serve ourselves by serving others? (T) Yeah! Because what goes around, comes around. If you serve others then you get things back. (F) Because when you serve yourself, all there is is an infinite number of individuals serving self. (T) There is no energy exchange, no synergy within the group; there is no exchange. (F) Everything moves inward. (T) There is no sharing, no growth, there is no nothing. (F) No interconnecting. (T) Right! There is no learning. (L) In terms of major STS, this may or may not be related, could you tell us the nature of a Black Hole?]

A: Grand Scale STS.

Q: (L) Is it like a being that has achieved such a level of STS that it has literally imploded in on itself in some way?

A: Close analogy.

Q: (T) Possibly an entire civilization of STS?

A: No.

 

[Miss.K]

Thanks Gawan and riclapaz.

With the baby it might just have been a real big fix of mother hormones, I have seldom tried to have newborn babies sleeping on me, but I recognize the feeling from the very soft look new mothers have on their face when you see pictures of them holding the baby after giving birth. I really hope I wasn't draining anything

I'm not entirely sure that I didn't ask in the hug situation, I might have leaned a little towards the energy, that was an energy I was in need of, and it just sort of happened (I don't know if asking can take place on an energetic level as well) There were some sexual attraction both ways, but it was not an "I want you" hug, it was very kind and soft and calm....but we were both STS beings as we were both 3D (at least I think he was too)

 

[Miss.K]

I was just thinking, that those mother hormones feel very nice and very healing, but they come when serving the baby (in this case I was serving him by being a comfy safe madrass), so perhaps it is STS through STO (like when I feel happy watching my cat eat the food I give her)

not sure..

 

[skycsil]

And also if such a situation as the hug emanating kindness energy could be described as an STO feeding situation?

I think it's important context, if a person comes to me offering me a hug to give me positive energy, that would STS, according to the Cs, STO does not determine the needs of others, besides that I'm not asking instead whether I exchange a sincere embrace with another person, both being of one accord, I believe it would have an exchange of energy, assuming the orientation of the two is STO.

To give a different example: I was in Art school when my father died, I was only 19 years old. Tried to manage the best I knew at the time brooming the pain under the rug, that is, trying to remain "strong" and accepting compassion from no one. One of the teachers asked me why I've been missing school for days so I told her, and I think I wasn't that good at this faking strenght thing because she tried to confort me with a hug. Thing is, I felt completely drained after the hug, and tried to politely get off of it as soon as I could. I discussed the issue later with another teacher who was into occult and I felt comfortable with, and asked "is it possible that she's some kind of emotional vampire?". She simply smiled and nodded.

 

[Dave_P]

I think there is a difference between "eating" and "exchange" energy, the first is like when one absorbs the energy of another for personal gain, while the second would be something more dynamic, both sides immerse themselves in a common purpose, both give and receive energy in equal parts

 

[kalibex]

"...she tried to confort me with a hug. Thing is, I felt completely drained after the hug, and tried to politely get off of it as soon as I could. I discussed the issue later with another teacher who was into occult and I felt comfortable with, and asked "is it possible that she's some kind of emotional vampire?". She simply smiled and nodded.

So she needed to use you to feel virtuous about herself as she gave you that (unrequested) hug, and the net result was a transfer of energy from you to her?

I find myself wondering: Had you realized her intent with time to step back and reject her advance, would the energy drain a) not have happened or b) at least been lessened? (Or would having to move to avoid contact inevitably have led to an equivalent net loss?)

 

[Miss.K]

And also if such a situation as the hug emanating kindness energy could be described as an STO feeding situation?

I think it's important context, if a person comes to me offering me a hug to give me positive energy, that would STS, according to the Cs, STO does not determine the needs of others, besides that I'm not asking instead whether I exchange a sincere embrace with another person, both being of one accord, I believe it would have an exchange of energy, assuming the orientation of the two is STO.

To give a different example: I was in Art school when my father died, I was only 19 years old. Tried to manage the best I knew at the time brooming the pain under the rug, that is, trying to remain "strong" and accepting compassion from no one. One of the teachers asked me why I've been missing school for days so I told her, and I think I wasn't that good at this faking strenght thing because she tried to confort me with a hug. Thing is, I felt completely drained after the hug, and tried to politely get off of it as soon as I could. I discussed the issue later with another teacher who was into occult and I felt comfortable with, and asked "is it possible that she's some kind of emotional vampire?". She simply smiled and nodded.

That sounds just terrible! vamp feeding is really disgusting!
BTW I was in Art school and 18 when my father died, also brooming the pain under the rug, and trying to remain "strong", it was really tough times...I dropped out and went traveling seeking out trouble that could justify how bad I felt (I couldn't confront the pain of the loss of my father really until 10 years later or so..) One time in my travels I was invited an afternoon by a friend to visit his cousin I think it was, a young girl, whos father had just died in an accident, and she was sitting in a room crying, with all her friends and family around her comforting her, supporting her in her grief that she didn't need to hold back. And I thought "wow, to grieve can be like this, not everybody have it like me.."

I think there is a difference between "eating" and "exchange" energy, the first is like when one absorbs the energy of another for personal gain, while the second would be something more dynamic, both sides immerse themselves in a common purpose, both give and receive energy in equal parts

I'm not sure it have to be an equal exchange. If I meet someone who is starving, and share my bacon with him, I wouldn't think the act would be a STS thing unless he gave the same bacon back, or payed some other way (that would make the giving STS for sure, no?) Though it is possible to equally give and take, In some situations I'd say that it would be a good thing to just have one part giving and the other receiving, like giving comfort to a grieving, or donating blood to someone who have been in an accident, or healing someone in need if you have the power to...not against their will, but if someone is unconscious in an accident, I would rather not reach a higher level, and be damned in this hellhole forever, if reaching a higher level means I'm supposed to leave them because they are not able to ask directly if I would please call 911....

 

[Miss.K]

PS: I think energetic give and take is the same as other forms of give and take, it can be a good thing or a bad thing

 

[Dave_P]

PS: I think energetic give and take is the same as other forms of give and take, it can be a good thing or a bad thing

Yes, depend the intentions and the considerations. But "good thing or bad thing" depend from the perspective, for example we learn from the "bad things" and if we are abreast about that we can change the bad things into good things, our experience is more fruitful. In the other hand, some times we think we are making "good things", but maybe we do that only for our own personal satisfaction or because that make us feel "good"

 

[s-kur]

I'm not sure it have to be an equal exchange. If I meet someone who is starving, and share my bacon with him, I wouldn't think the act would be a STS thing unless he gave the same bacon back, or payed some other way (that would make the giving STS for sure, no?) Though it is possible to equally give and take, In some situations I'd say that it would be a good thing to just have one part giving and the other receiving, like giving comfort to a grieving, or donating blood to someone who have been in an accident, or healing someone in need if you have the power to...not against their will, but if someone is unconscious in an accident, I would rather not reach a higher level, and be damned in this hellhole forever, if reaching a higher level means I'm supposed to leave them because they are not able to ask directly if I would please call 911....

I can't say too much about interacting with baby, but issues you've noticed disturbed me also. I think there's fine difference beetwen persistent giving without asking and just proposing. Would you force somebody to be more STS (and you) with giving without request, meaning that one should give back (to reach the balance) but one don't know about it? Do you exspose one to accumulating the imbalance? If it is correct, would you do this? Of course, in some cases you effort will have effective result, but what about other levels, further possible consequences?

 

[Sol Logos]

"...she tried to confort me with a hug. Thing is, I felt completely drained after the hug, and tried to politely get off of it as soon as I could. I discussed the issue later with another teacher who was into occult and I felt comfortable with, and asked "is it possible that she's some kind of emotional vampire?". She simply smiled and nodded.

So she needed to use you to feel virtuous about herself as she gave you that (unrequested) hug, and the net result was a transfer of energy from you to her?

I find myself wondering: Had you realized her intent with time to step back and reject her advance, would the energy drain a) not have happened or b) at least been lessened? (Or would having to move to avoid contact inevitably have led to an equivalent net loss?)

I would say that its would probably be A. Im assuming that being aware of her intent points to no opening in skycsil for that particular thing to happen.

An opening might be a feeling of having to be polite, not wanting to offend, not wanting to face an adverse reaction from people when asserting boundaries etc. It seems to me that those type of things cover deeper emotional woundings that leave energetic holes in us.

Those holes unscrupulous people will take advantage of. So there's those people that feel what they can and cant get away with from individual to individual and make those assessments rather quickly and do so to manipulate others as a way of feeding.

I believe spirit attachments work just like this. They look for these holes in living people that align with their feeding needs and end up having a parasitic relationship with chosen people. Or at least that's the theory.

 

[obyvatel]

I think one of the features of the so-called STS type feeding is the desire to recreate pleasurable experiences. If we have some positive, uplifting experience without expecting it or trying to make it happen, it is natural and spontaneous. If we subsequently try to recreate such experiences deliberately, we end up using and feeding of others. Altruism can thus become a mask for the desire to feel good oneself through helping others. It can be subtle and not easily discernible.

Instead of second guessing ourselves about our potential "hidden" motivations and possibly angsting about whether we are feeding or not, a practical way of living is to be present to the situation at hand with as much attention we can muster, and respond as best we can. Situations are dynamic and unique especially if we pay close attention and if we make the additional effort to relate appropriately to the changing situation, there is not much internal resource available to deliberately execute on a desire (hidden or overt) to recreate an old experience. That does not guarantee we do not feed in a STS way - but I think this is pretty much what is in our control.

 

[luc]

I think one of the features of the so-called STS type feeding is the desire to recreate pleasurable experiences. If we have some positive, uplifting experience without expecting it or trying to make it happen, it is natural and spontaneous. If we subsequently try to recreate such experiences deliberately, we end up using and feeding of others. Altruism can thus become a mask for the desire to feel good oneself through helping others. It can be subtle and not easily discernible.

Instead of second guessing ourselves about our potential "hidden" motivations and possibly angsting about whether we are feeding or not, a practical way of living is to be present to the situation at hand with as much attention we can muster, and respond as best we can. Situations are dynamic and unique especially if we pay close attention and if we make the additional effort to relate appropriately to the changing situation, there is not much internal resource available to deliberately execute on a desire (hidden or overt) to recreate an old experience. That does not guarantee we do not feed in a STS way - but I think this is pretty much what is in our control.

I think this is very sound, practical advice. I noticed that I tend to "recreate past experiences" (feeding) when I'm not aware, not self-remembering - especially in social situations that trigger old patterns, which I could not root out yet - these are usually those situations where I'm less experienced in terms of self-remembering. In other situations that I know well and have practiced self-remembering many times, I find that I can switch a bit more to "auto-pilot" without causing harm/feeding, or so I think. So yes, I think mustering our attention, remembering the Work and how easily we slip, seems important to avoid feeding.

A good rule of thump for me is to do what "it" doesn't like, as much as possible. So for example in a social situation I try to sense what "it" urges me to do and do the opposite - if I want to talk a lot and be funny, I try to hold myself and just listen; if I want to wander away/be silent, I try to talk and be funny; etc. I think a lot of feeding can be avoided that way, though of course it only goes so far.