Greek-inspired protests spread across Europe

[seek10]

Looks like the Action of what C's called "Natural balance" of positive stuff in response to the NWO's going overdrive

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081211/ap_on_re_eu/eu_europe_unrest

MADRID, Spain – The unrest that has gripped Greece is spilling over into the rest of Europe, raising concerns the clashes could be a trigger for opponents of globalization, disaffected youth and others outraged by the continent's economic turmoil and soaring unemployment.

Protesters in Spain, Denmark and Italy smashed shop windows, pelted police with bottles and attacked banks this week, while in France, cars were set ablaze Thursday outside the Greek consulate in Bordeaux, where protesters scrawled graffiti warning about a looming "insurrection."

At least some of the protests were organized over the Internet, showing how quickly the message of discontent can be spread, particularly among tech-savvy youth. One Web site Greek protesters used to update each other on the locations of clashes asserted there have been sympathy protests in nearly 20 countries.

More demonstrations were set for Friday in Italy, France and Germany.

Still, the clashes have been isolated so far, and nothing like the scope of the chaos in Greece, which was triggered by the police killing of a teenager on Saturday and has ballooned into nightly scenes of burning street barricades, looted stores and overturned cars.

Nevertheless, authorities in Europe worry conditions are ripe for the contagion to spread.

As Europe plunges into recession, unemployment is rising, particularly among the young. Even before the crisis, European youths complained about difficulty finding well-paid jobs — even with a college degree — and many said they felt left out as the continent grew in prosperity.

In Greece, demonstrators handed out fliers Thursday listing their demands, which include the reversal of public spending cuts that have brought more layoffs, and said they were hopeful their movement would spread.

"We're encouraging nonviolent action here and abroad," said Konstantinos Sakkas, a 23-year-old protester at the Athens Polytechnic, where many of the demonstrators are based. "What these are abroad are spontaneous expressions of solidarity with what's going on here."

Across the continent, Internet sites and blogs have popped up to spread the call to protest.

Several Greek Web sites offered protesters real-time information on clash sites, where demonstrations were heading and how riot police were deployed around the city. Protest marches were arranged and announced on the sites and via text message on cell phones.

In Spain, an anti-globalization Web site, Nodo50.org, greeted visitors with the headline "State Assassin, Police Executioners" and told them of hastily called rallies Wednesday in Barcelona and Madrid.

"We stand in solidarity" with the Greek protesters, the site said.

Elsewhere in Europe, reports about the clashes in Greece were quickly picked up online by citizen journalists, some of whom posted details of confrontations on Twitter. At the Independent Media Center, photos and video of the demonstrations were uploaded and plans were listed for "upcoming solidarity actions" in London, Edinburgh and Berlin.

One writer on the site london.indymedia.org exhorted people to follow the Greek example and "reclaim the streets. Burn the banks that robbed you ... It is a great opportunity to expand the revolution in all europe."

"What's happening in Greece tends to prove that the extreme left exists, contrary to doubts of some over these past few weeks," French Interior Ministry spokesman Gerard Gachet told The Associated Press.

But, he added, the coming days and weeks would determine whether "there's a danger of contagion of the Greek situation into France."

In cities across Europe, protests flared in solidarity with the demonstrations in Greece.

One rally outside the Greek Embassy in Rome turned violent on Wednesday, damaging police vehicles, overturning a car and setting a trash can on fire. In Denmark, protesters pelted riot police with bottles and paint in downtown Copenhagen; 63 people were detained and later released.

And in Spain, angry youths attacked banks, shops and a police station in Madrid and Barcelona late Wednesday. Some of the protesters chanted "police killers" and other slogans. Eleven people — including a Greek girl — were arrested at the two rallies, which drew a total of about 200 protesters.

Daniel Lostao, president of the state-financed Youth Council, an umbrella organization of Spanish youth groups, said young people in Spain face daunting challenges — soaring unemployment, low salaries and difficulty in leaving the family nest because of expensive housing.

Still, he said he doubted the protests in Spain would grow.

"We do not have the feeling that this is going to spread," Lostao said. "Let's hope I am not wrong."

In France, protesters set fire to two cars and a garbage can filled with flammable material outside the Greek consulate in Bordeaux Thursday and scrawled graffiti threatening more unrest, Greek Consul Michel Corfias said.

Graffiti reading "solidarity with the fires in Greece," was scrawled on the consulate and the word "insurrection" was painted on the doors of neighboring houses.

"The events in Greece are a trigger" for French youth angry by their own lack of economic opportunity, Corfias said.

 

[Joe]

Don't be too quick to assume anything about the nature of these disturbances, and definitely don't believe everything you read in the news.

The following image bears careful thought and consideration

Watch this short video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow

And read this story:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/sep2007/mont-s04.shtml

and realise that this is the tip of the iceberg. Such tactics by agents of the state are ubiquitous and "time honored".

True is false, up is down, right is wrong, in the world of big government and their associated agencies.

Joe

 

[spyraal]

Don't be too quick to assume anything about the nature of these disturbances, and definitely don't believe everything you read in the news.
...
True is false, up is down, right is wrong, in the world of big government and their associated agencies.

Joe

Indeed. Watch this video from the recent protests where policemen in civilian clothing hang around their uniformed colleagues. ;) During the video, an eye witness speaks on a radio interview saying that they started throwing stones and molotovs. And this is common knowledge for Greek people who actually go to these protests instead of watching the news from their TV set. The common people who participate for defending their rights DO try to isolate them. But, the Greek state has even an extreme Right wing para-military youth organization called the "Golden Dawn" on it's call. They move undisturbed together with the police squads during riots and protests. In the same video (unfortunately in Greek language) another person who is a university professor is saying that while some undercover policemen were trying to infiltrate a peacefull protest and create trouble, they were suspected by the near crowd and when they were asked if they were policemen and they started to flee away...
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8cFyD1KMH0

But would the greek policemen do such a thing? Aren't they being trained to serve the people? Well, here is a video shot in a greek police academy... They are playing "Counter Strike" (a first-person shooter game). So "police" funny...
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drXF7n4CkPA&NR=1

Here is a video where a greek policeman who throws a bucket of cold water to a sleeping homeless man...
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5PCqw2UG8I&feature=related

Here is a video with some women arrested for prostitution who are asked to pose (among other things) for the "proud" greek policemen to take pictures with their cell phones....(small version)
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMdUoatkMA&feature=related

Here, inside a police station, two immigrants are made to slap each other for the fun of the bored police officers on shift...
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjhS23vG7TA&feature=related

Here, another immigrant is told and instructed how to slap himself with precious aid of the officer...
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zhktcvocIw&feature=related

Here they put ice in other arrested person's hand and they they beat it with a stick. They threaten to kill him with a gun and they laugh with all their hearts. Other day at the office...
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHxKhWp1wbs&feature=related

Here they beat a student from Cyprus after he becomes scared and nervous when he and his company gets suddenly surrounded by policemen who want to "search" them because their are...walking. The policemen went on trial and finally only one got just a 1000 euro fine...
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlrcoagUggs&feature=related

Here a policeman -unprovoked- starts beating a person that went to talk to him while other citizens angry by the attack shout "murderers" and "son's of #$&*%" . The policeman replies with a friendly middle finger...
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjoO0X11usQ

The police in Greece is what it should be for a state that has been but a protectorate of global powers (namely Britain and lately America -among others before them) for the greatest part of it's modern history.
Greece, like many countries of it's size, was meant to be a test ground on how to start a civil war (a war where the napalm bombs were also tested), or on how to start a military junta, how to buyout and corrupt a complete government and other zionist-psychopath plans and ideas. I do not expect anything else from a state with that background.... A year or two ago, a greek Minister of Public Order, Mr. Polydoras while defending police brutality over protesters of the educational "reform", called the police "the Praetorians" and asked for the Prime Minister to "free the police's hands" so as to do it's job as it should... The few good men that were willing to really serve this country, like Kapodistrias (_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapodistrias) and Lambrakis (_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregoris_Lambrakis) were assasinated. What a coincidence, right?
I will stop here for now because am becoming physicaly sick...

 

[Pierre]

Don't be too quick to assume anything about the nature of these disturbances, and definitely don't believe everything you read in the news.

The following image bears careful thought and consideration

Here is a picture of the policemen and agent provocateur. They seem to be clients of the same shoemaker

 

[spyraal]

Just for you to have a recent view of what events are happening and how are they reported in Greece, here is the translated transcript of a greek news coverage of last Friday's (12/12) protests.

The video link to this news report is: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqXoArzcalQ&feature=related

Reporter- Good afternoon. The protest is now located at Stadiou St. and is heading to the Parliament.
The trouble started a little earlier in Stadiou St. and Klafthmonos square, when even before the march started, around 12:15pm, police MAT squads [riot control units] and special Arrest squads appeared, some young men casted bottles at them, the police made some arrests, but in their attempt to get a hold of the the youngsters in Klafthmonos square, they came against professors, teachers, Mr. Kalomoiris [a university professor] but also ordinary citizens who were passing by...

News woman- It is exactly the video from this event that we see on right now on screen Jason [the reporter's name] with the policemen trying to arrest the students, while their teachers and their parents react heavily, and we should note that they [parents] are together in this with their kids in all the late student protests.

R- They have been together, and today they are together again here on the streets. The accuse the police of being provocative, the students did not do anything as the march had not even started, and they [the police] appeared suddenly in Korai square to provoke and “break” the march. Then teachers, and passing people charged to the police, the police were pulling them down, they fell on the street, the police was not able to make any more arrests, but they did adducted tree students. The police, in their attempt for us [the TV crew] not to video these adductions, they charged against us with their shields and clubs, they charged at reporters and photographers from foreign news agencies, actually they beat a photographer just in front of us, they threw a radio reporter on the ground and tried to handcuff him, and we were forcefully distanced by use of their shields.

NW- Jason, were these students throwing stones or other objects against the policemen?

R- The students started throwing a few bottles against the policemen after seeing the police in Korai square making a formation in front of them with no apparent reason, and then the police or actually the Arrest squads that were here in Korai Sq., charged against the protesters and tried to adduct students. A camera man from MEGA Tv was injured by a stone in his hand, and his camera broke. The police then made some use of chemicals and flash-bang grenades. Finally, after all this event, the march began and now it is heading to the Parliament, they are yelling slogans against the police and against the lawyer Alexis Kougias [the lawyer of the two policemen who shot the 15year old last week]. The professors are accusing the police of doing adductions without justification and with their overall provocative attitude, they are trying to cause trouble and “break” the march which started in peaceful spirits. Mr. Apekis [someone i don't know] told us that teachers were beaten, and that the police was arresting youngsters without having being challenged in any way.

NW- I think Jason that is the first time we see so many men of the Arrest squads on the streets, and today they have done enough work according to what you told us, they tried to arrest students but they confronted the teachers and parents of these students, who in their turn tried to prevent these...[end of video]

 

[RedFox]

Thanks for the translation spyraal

 

[Alana]

Just for you to have a recent view of what events are happening and how are they reported in Greece, here is the translated transcript of a Greek news coverage of last Friday's (12/12) protests.

Great translation job Spyraal! and thanks for the links.

You know what I got tired of listening to lately? My Greek middle class friends complain about the demonstrations messing up their lives and probably their Xmas. Agents provocateurs or not, most of the people out there in the streets have serious reasons to protest, reasons that my above mentioned friends, who got a job not because they were qualified (and I know of few who were NOT!) but because of their parents connections, cannot understand. That's the case all over Greece and everyone knows it, but nobody cares as long as they are safe and have their 9-5 salary.

They don't understand that the way things are set up like this is also to their disadvantage: the haves need to feel threatened by and contempt towards the have nots so that the populace remains divided and the evil leaders turn them against each other to avoid ever confronting the whole lot of them the leaders themselves.

 

[Beau]

Found some pics of the demonstrations and riots around Greece: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/12/2008_greek_riots.html

 

[Darek]

More Than Words

 

[spyraal]

You know what I got tired of listening to lately? My Greek middle class friends complain about the demonstrations messing up their lives and probably their Xmas. Agents provocateurs or not, most of the people out there in the streets have serious reasons to protest, reasons that my above mentioned friends, who got a job not because they were qualified (and I know of few who were NOT!) but because of their parents connections, cannot understand. That's the case all over Greece and everyone knows it, but nobody cares as long as they are safe and have their 9-5 salary.

They don't understand that the way things are set up like this is also to their disadvantage: the haves need to feel threatened by and contempt towards the have nots so that the populace remains divided and the evil leaders turn them against each other to avoid ever confronting the whole lot of them the leaders themselves.

Yep... That is typical Greek middle class mentality. But they fail to understand that times have changed, and even if they do get a job using their connections, the formerly "privileged" public sector jobs are now also based on a limited time contract-based model, much like the ruthless private sector and unlike the "golden times" of the 80's and 90's in Greece when people (probably like your friends' parents and their like...) were given really permanent public jobs. At least then they were given a job "for life" (or "for death" :D), when now they usually get just a yearly "fix" or two of temporary underpaid employment... These are the persons that i bet our politicians call off the record and while laughing "good clients"...

But i today i participated in an open discussion hosted in the local University between the professors, students and ordinary citizens... I was told that this initiative is considered a "first" as these three groups of people rarely talk directly to each other, let alone all together. The purpose was to exchange opinions, get to understand each other's point of view, re-establish what things we have in common and what can we do to counterweight the situation. There were 40-50 participants and the dialogue was surprisingly open and healthy. I admit, having the background of the average SOTT reader, i was very interested to hear what the professors, students and others had to say and what is their current level of understanding of the situation. Overall it was a definitely positive experience, quite a few important things were mentioned, and this initiative will probably continue further since it also proved to be a much needed therapeutic experience for our souls, which is much needed these days. I won't expand further on what was said there, as i still have to think over and "digest" the experience, but i can tell you that after dropping some clues on what might be the deeper nature behind the "evils that haunt us" (implying psychopathy) i realised that my suggested idea about people with "limited" or no conscience resonated to many. In our next meeting we also arranged to exchange internet links. I feel it is proper to provide them with some more information for them to consider. Apart from the obvious -giving them SOTT's and related links- i thought i could also translate some text to the Greek language as a quick summary of psychopathy and Ponerology. I will try to do a search myself in order to compose one or two pages of text among our known resources , but any of your suggestions or ideas would be most welcomed...

Thank you.
:)

 

[Alana]

I won't expand further on what was said there, as i still have to think over and "digest" the experience, but i can tell you that after dropping some clues on what might be the deeper nature behind the "evils that haunt us" (implying psychopathy) i realised that my suggested idea about people with "limited" or no conscience resonated to many.

I don't think that there will be a problem to introduce the concept of psychopathy to a Greek audience, nor will it be difficult for them to accept it. Just consider all the old black and white movies of the poor, goodhearted protagonists trying to make it into the world, and how a psychopathic person or group of people is always causing them suffering/problems.

Were you a fan of Kapoutzidis Greek series Sto Para Pente? It's my favorite! (Info for non Greeks) I think Kapoutzidis did a great job portraying the psychopathic mind as well as the inability of the common people to understand them and their actions. I found also very realistic the part of the father of one of the psychopathic murderers, when he confessed that there is a worst thing to having one of your children dead: is to have for a child a monster. It reminded me of parts from Mask of Sanity.The success of the series i think - apart for the superb punchlines, the casting, and plot - was that Greeks do understand this idea: that there ARE conscienceless individuals and were attracted by the attempts of the group of five to expose them.

The problem that i see in Greek and Cyprus culture (elsewhere too), is that the psychopathic mindset and actions are very much viewed with reverence and are accepted, and that the common people try to emulate psychopathic individuals as a survival means. This is from my own observations of course, which leave me aware also of the existence of a minority of people who understand the social/political/economic ramifications of psychopaths in power. And these are exactly what the Greeks and Cypriots (well, everyone really!) need to understand: the ramifications and how these translate in their personal and collective lives.

In our next meeting we also arranged to exchange internet links. I feel it is proper to provide them with some more information for them to consider. Apart from the obvious -giving them SOTT's and related links- i thought i could also translate some text to the Greek language as a quick summary of psychopathy and Ponerology. I will try to do a search myself in order to compose one or two pages of text among our known resources , but any of your suggestions or ideas would be most welcomed...

That's a great opportunity Spyro! I don't know how this might help, but take a look at my blog where i translated few sott pieces:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5893.0

You might be able to use some bits and pieces. I started translating some text from here a while ago, but it's on my laptop's hard disc, which is now at the laptops' hospital :( But i will look around to see if i saved them somewhere - well, i did, but right now i have no clue where . How soon is your next meeting? I could e-mail them off list to you as soon as i find them.

It would be great if we compined forces to translate some of the sott/cass material in Greek, as there are very needed! Are you in? ;)

 

[spyraal]

Hello everyone, Smaragde,

I don't think that there will be a problem to introduce the concept of psychopathy to a Greek audience, nor will it be difficult for them to accept it. Just consider all the old black and white movies of the poor, goodhearted protagonists trying to make it into the world, and how a psychopathic person or group of people is always causing them suffering/problems.

One of the major "problems" of Greeks IMO is that we are often and easily divided against ourselves. We have experienced a lot of manipulations in our recent History, and the recollection and study of these events can have the potential for becoming the stepping stone for facing the problem of psychopathy and it's bitter fruits, together with all the deep and substantiated research done here. It is worth a try. If not now when?

Were you a fan of Kapoutzidis Greek series Sto Para Pente? It's my favorite! I think Kapoutzidis did a great job portraying the psychopathic mind as well as the inability of the common people to understand them and their actions. I found also very realistic the part of the father of one of the psychopathic murderers, when he confessed that there is a worst thing to having one of your children dead: is to have for a child a monster. It reminded me of parts from Mask of Sanity.The success of the series i think - apart for the superb punchlines, the casting, and plot - was that Greeks do understand this idea: that there ARE conscienceless individuals and were attracted by the attempts of the group of five to expose them.

I have seen but a few isolated episodes of this series as i do not watch a lot of TV generally. So few in fact, that it seems i missed these clues and subtle emphasis on psychopathy, but i am really glad for that considering the popularity of the series. "Maria the Ugly" a Greek brain-toasting replica of Latin school TV series (sad hybrids of the "Ugly duck" and "Cinderella") was also very polular in Greece!

That's a great opportunity Spyro! I don't know how this might help, but take a look at my blog where i translated few sott pieces:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5893.0

You might be able to use some bits and pieces. I started translating some text from here a while ago, but it's on my laptop's hard disc, which is now at the laptops' hospital :( But i will look around to see if i saved them somewhere - well, i did, but right now i have no clue where . How soon is your next meeting? I could e-mail them off list to you as soon as i find them.

That is great help Smaragde both in terms of context but lalso in terms of being a reference for the translation of some key-concept words. Fortunately most terms used are of greek origin to begin with, but still a lot of caution and respect should be paid in this re-translation and having a second opinion is very helpful indeed! Our next meeting is about the 10th of January as the Xmas holidays are coming soon. It is a lot of time to prepare for me. Your help was very welcomed!

It would be great if we compined forces to translate some of the sott/cass material in Greek, as there are very needed! Are you in? ;)

Of course i am in! I thought about it a lot of times myself, but for the sake of accuracy and respect to the original authors words, i thought that this should ideally not be a single person's task. Having another person for double checking and having a second opinion really helps to relief this great responsibility by sharing and teamwork. The current market crisis in Greece has given me the wonderful gift of having a lot of free time. And to practice some humour, I thank my clients for their prudence in not spending any money for my worthless service because under the dark shadow of their other plights it won't do them any good anyway! ;D In other words, you can count me in for any translation work Smaragde. Thank you all.

:)

 

[spyraal]

Another suspicious incident has taken place in Greece. As it appears, a police bus was shot 7 times by an assault rifle while passing close the Polytechnic University's facilities in Athens. The Polytechnic school has been used as an asylum from the police forces (police forces in uniform that is...) but also as a "headquarters" against it. Since after the last dictatorship in Greece (some 30+ years ago) and because university students of that school played a major actual as well as symbolic part in ending the military junta, all Universities in Greece ever since cannot be accessed or entered by the police unless the university's Rector allows so. It seems that the police and the government are looking for reasons to put an end to this status quo and justify the buy and use of more weapons and more force to suppress the people's reaction to Pathocracy. Here is a translated article about the event:

A lot of questions are raised, and a plethora of scenarios are
being fired up by an attack involving at least 7 shots fired from Kalashnikov rifles
against a MAT riot police bus early in the morning of Tuesday on
Kokkinopoulou St. in the area of Goudi (Athens). Government and police
officials are particularly worried because the attack manifested in a
moment of continuing uprising.

Meanwhile, on Wendsday morning it became known that two different weapons
were used. As it appears from the examination of the seven bullet shells at
the police labs, the weapons are of the same type but different ones although
both of the 7,62mm caliber.

As police experts speculate, they were automatic military type weapons and
according to the evidence were used by two different persons.

As Greek police officials reported to the newparer "To Vima", it is either
an isolated action or the appearance of a new type of terrorism, the case is
very serious and therefore from the first moment it was investigated by the
Counter Terrorist agency, under the supervision of the DA Mr. Papaggelopoulos.

The police estimate that two persons participated in the attack: the one was
the shooter and the other was standing guard. In the Ministry of Internal Affairs
and in the police headquarters, they noted that this strike came in a moment
where it was expected for the spirits to cool down due to the holiday season.

Also, police officers estimate that the motive behind the armed man was not
to kill or injure a policeman, but through his action he meant to sent a
warning message to the police.

Meanwhile, the investigation in the area surrounding the Polytechnic School and
especially the old bunker where the shots came from was delayed because, according
to the explanations of the police, they did not want that to take place while a citizen
protest was also in the going in the center of Athens.

Early in the afternoon, almost 10 hours after the attack, a group of police officers
entered the Polytechnic School's facilities and collected seven 7,62mm bullet shells
that were sent to the criminal labs for examination.

Later an unknown person contacted the news portal Zougla.gr and claimed responsibility
in the name of the newly appeared "Popular Action" organization. Still the policemen
think of this phonecall as not reliable, and estimate that in the following days there will
be a proclamation.

Original article in Greek: _http://www.in.gr/news/article.asp?lngEntityID=970685&lngDtrID=244

 

[Beau]

Yeah that whole "new type of terrorism" line sounds pretty absurd in light of where the incident occurred. To me, it just seems like a warning to the police to stay away from Polytechnic, which, like you said, is the headquarters of the anti-government forces. But if the police want to find a reason to storm the university, they won't have to work too hard to either provoke a reaction or have one of their agent provocateurs do the dirty work.

 

[Alana]

Ha! I found the translation part i told you about! Could you send me a private message with your e-mail address, so i can send it to you Spyraal?

That is great help Smaragde both in terms of context but lalso in terms of being a reference for the translation of some key-concept words. Fortunately most terms used are of greek origin to begin with, but still a lot of caution and respect should be paid in this re-translation and having a second opinion is very helpful indeed! Our next meeting is about the 10th of January as the Xmas holidays are coming soon. It is a lot of time to prepare for me. Your help was very welcomed!

Well, i gave all the parts i translated to a friend who studied linguistics and translation for review, so i know that the work i did is ok. Some concepts and words we both had trouble on how to best produce them in Greek, but we figured it out eventually. But since you are more familiar with the "essence" of the concepts and words, your feedback to the translations is very much welcomed.

Of course i am in! I thought about it a lot of times myself, but for the sake of accuracy and respect to the original authors words, i thought that this should ideally not be a single person's task. Having another person for double checking and having a second opinion really helps to relief this great responsibility by sharing and teamwork. The current market crisis in Greece has given me the wonderful gift of having a lot of free time. And to practice some humour, I thank my clients for their prudence in not spending any money for my worthless service because under the dark shadow of their other plights it won't do them any good anyway! In other words, you can count me in for any translation work Smaragde. Thank you all.

Well, my humble services are still required ;) so i don't have much time - unfortunately - to dedicate in translations, plus i am really slow at it but "Let's!" is one of my favorite phrases, and never let me down when i said it :D . So, let's!