Guadalupe

[Natievell]

Hi! I want to ask about the Virgin of Guadalupe.

Official Catholic accounts state that on the morning of December 9, 1531, Juan Diego saw an apparition of a young girl at the Hill of Tepeyac, near Mexico City. Speaking to him in Nahuatl, the girl asked that a church be built at that site in her honor; from her words, Juan Diego recognized the girl as the Virgin Mary.

According to the account, Diego told his story to the Spanish Archbishop of Mexico City, Fray Juan de Zumárraga, who instructed him to return to Tepeyac Hill, and ask the "lady" for a miraculous sign to prove her identity. The first sign was the Virgin healing Juan's uncle. The Virgin told Juan Diego to gather flowers from the top of Tepeyac Hill. Although December was very late in the growing season for flowers to bloom, Juan Diego found Castilian roses, not native to Mexico, on the normally barren hilltop. The Virgin arranged these in his peasant cloak or tilma. When Juan Diego opened his cloak before Bishop Zumárraga on December 12, the flowers fell to the floor, and on the fabric was the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe

The mantle of Guadalupe has 46 stars, scattered on the outer surface of the cloth. The Enciclopedia Guadalupana says the stars are not randomly put, but correspond to the positions of the constellations at the winter solstice of 1531.

My question is who was Guadalupe and what was the purpose of her apparition

Thank you!

 

[Beau]

I seem to recall the C's being asked about Virgin Mary apparitions and their answer was that it was a 4D STS (Lizzies). Makes sense in this case especially, since the apparition asked that a church be built. The same church that was created to enslave people and control their thinking. And also the whole "signs of miracles" is another point in that direction. STO does not abridge free will, and confirmation or proof is only given after the receiver has given all.

 

[Luis Miguel]

There are some theories that say that the creation of that story is related to the imposed syncretism between the pre-hispanic and the catholic belief systems by the church. Many ancient deities where "translated" to, or personified by catholic saints and virgins after the conquest as part of their efforts to convert more and more Mexican people to the catholic faith. It wouldn't be surprising that the whole deal was just fabricated. Although the analysis of the image of Juan Diego's "tilma" has been puzzling for some researchers, and do have very interesting aspects, are others that say that it was doable, and the art itself has resemblance to art styles of that time.

You may find this article interesting:

www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/gods/virgin-of-guadalupe-and-tonantzin

My 2 cents

 

[mabar]

There are some theories that say that the creation of that story is related to the imposed syncretism between the pre-hispanic and the catholic belief systems by the church. Many ancient deities where "translated" to, or personified by catholic saints and virgins after the conquest as part of their efforts to convert more and more Mexican people to the catholic faith. It wouldn't be surprising that the whole deal was just fabricated. Although the analysis of the image of Juan Diego's "tilma" has been puzzling for some researchers, and do have very interesting aspects, are others that say that it was doable, and the art itself has resemblance to art styles of that time.

You may find this article interesting:

www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/gods/virgin-of-guadalupe-and-tonantzin

My 2 cents

I seem to recall the C's being asked about Virgin Mary apparitions and their answer was that it was a 4D STS (Lizzies). Makes sense in this case especially, since the apparition asked that a church be built. The same church that was created to enslave people and control their thinking. And also the whole "signs of miracles" is another point in that direction. STO does not abridge free will, and confirmation or proof is only given after the receiver has given all.

It ocurres me to think that, sumarizing both posts we come to this: La Santa Muerte (Holy Death) _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Muerte

 

[Natievell]

I seem to recall the C's being asked about Virgin Mary apparitions and their answer was that it was a 4D STS (Lizzies). Makes sense in this case especially, since the apparition asked that a church be built. The same church that was created to enslave people and control their thinking. And also the whole "signs of miracles" is another point in that direction. STO does not abridge free will, and confirmation or proof is only given after the receiver has given all.

I'm agree with you. It's pretty bad because the control thinking works very well.

There are some theories that say that the creation of that story is related to the imposed syncretism between the pre-hispanic and the catholic belief systems by the church. Many ancient deities where "translated" to, or personified by catholic saints and virgins after the conquest as part of their efforts to convert more and more Mexican people to the catholic faith.

Thank you, I think that her purpose was evangelize and today is control thinking. This is very murky.