Guillain-Barre Syndrome

JEEP

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75% of autoimmune sufferers are women -- and one in nine women will be afflicted with these diseases

[...]Guillain-Barre syndrome [is] an autoimmune illness in which the nerve's myelin sheaths are destroyed by the body's own immune system.

Guillain-Barre syndrome, or GBS, usually attacks a month or so after a patient has had a common viral or bacterial infection.

The above quotes are from the thread: The Autoimmune Epidemic by Donna Jackson Nakazawa

The second set of quotes re GBS are scanned quotes from the book provided by Gaby who also noted this (in 2011):

According to Stephen Edelson, author of "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Autoimmune Disorders", it is actually over 50 million Americans. That is more than the double that they will admit!

I'm now another statistic in the autoimmune epidemic. My story:

I'm in the midst of an autoimmune attack that began around the middle of November - specifically, the Miller-Fisher variant of Guillain-Barre Syndrome which was triggered by a gastro-intestinal episode caused by campylobacter bacteria usually associated with raw or undercooked chicken. I assume the fact that I already had an autoimmune disease - Hashimotos - is why the bacteria triggered the GBS attack. In my case, my first real symptoms that something was seriously wrong was a droopy right eye and then double vision. That was on Sunday, Nov. 13. I saw my health professional the next day who assessed me for stroke but tended to think a virus from the previous GI illness was affecting my eye muscle. I was sent to get an MRI that afternoon which revealed no sign of stroke or tumor or anything that could be causing my problem. I'm sorry to say that it did show some brain atrophy - approximately 10 years beyond my chronological age which could account for memory deficits - plus a somewhat enlarged pituitary gland that was asymmetrical with a dark line (?). Not sure what that could indicate. I was given supplements to combat the virus by my doctor and was to return on Thurs. for more treatment. However, severe headache on Tues. prompted moving up my return visit to Wed. I ended up seeing an optometrist to rule out acute angle glaucoma and was then sent to see an optical neurologist that afternoon. Both found that my vision had decreased to 20/60 in both eyes which lenses did not correct. The neurologist said that my eye muscles were swollen and advised that I get a spinal tap more so to rule out what I didn't have than what I did.

I had the spinal tap in the ER of my local hospital and hope I never have to have another one. From there I was sent to Ohio State University's Brain and Spine Institute where I was hospitalized for the next 12 days. I was there for Thanksgiving, the OSU-Michigan game (a very big deal around here), and the terrible car/stabbing attack that occured on campus. My son-in-law is an OSU student and was in lockdown for two hours. The only remark from hospital staff re this attack was from the doctor handling my discharge. He asked if I had heard about it and went on to comment about how crazy it was with a nod to other such crazy attack events that have occurred elsewhere. I guess people are noticing that something is really wrong and bizarre incidents can happen anywhere, even in our own locale.

So, besides serious sleep deprivation, countless blood draws/IVs, three daily heparin shots (until I said no more), two additional MRIs, three unproductive enemas (intestinal track had apparently been cleared out on Tues. before admittance due to supplements), anti-toxin infusion for possible botulism, countless muscle strength assessments, leg and face nerve testing by the OSU neurologist, retelling my symptom onset story repeatedly to teams of doctors/residents, respiratory assesment 2-3 times a day, and significant problems with adequate pain management - so much so that I was ready to jump ship and head for Michigan to get an appt with Dr. Brownstein and possibly medical marijuana - a positive result for campylobacter and none for botulism put GBS as the likely diagnosis especially as I was showing no improvement from the botulism anti-toxin infusion. In fact, just the opposite as the left side of my face was now being affected. That's when it was determined that I now also had Bell's paulsy on both sides! This development made eating more difficult as well as speaking - I had to use my fingers to manipulate my mouth to say certain words as well as move food out from the teeth/cheek area. Fortunately, swallowing was still OK and although my other body sensations now felt distinctly different from normal, I could tell when a bathroom visit was needed and elimination was functioning even if quite sluggish. The fact that I didn't exhibit the usual GBS progression from the feet and legs is why that diagnose was at first set aside. Besides the effects on my eyes and face, I was also experiencing weakness in my arms and hands w/ a subtle tingling in my fingers. I couldn't raise my arms up/over my head at all and had little strength to resist opposing pressure. I had noticed that problem when I tried to dry my hair the first day I went to my doctor. I was given two separate infusions of immunoglobulin for the GBS and finally discharged on Mon., Nov. 28. Unfortunately, the last bottle of the second immunoglobulin infusion was run in too quickly and my right arm painfully swelled up from the infiltration. I had been trying to keep the arm perfectly still to prevent the machine from beeping/stopping and although I felt a strange somewhat painful tightness, I didn't suspect things were going awry. At that point the IV failed and another had to be done to my other arm in order to infuse the remaining amount of immunoglobulin. I was ready to say just forget it at that point, but was persuaded to continue.

Have to say that my experience at OSU was like being on an episode of House in which patients w/ mystery ailments are put through what amounts to torture in determining exactly what their affliction is. I never wanted to be such a patient. The neurologist really wanted me to undergo another spinal tap, but that was completely off the table no matter how much I was assured that OSU could perform it much better than was done at the other hospital. Good thing I hadn't read Gaby's post in the same autoimmune link above that detailed a spinal tap that went horribly wrong. Gives me chills to think about what could have happened!

That on admission to the ER and OSU I was adamant on not receiving any vaccines probably was surprising to them. I do have to give OSU credit for acknowleging my preference for natural treatments and although voted legal in Ohio, medical marijuana is totally not available now and will be severely limited for use otherwise. OSU did arrange for a lady to come in w/ essential oils - lavender & peppermint for headache - and some meditation-type exercise. So, I guess even conventional medicine is getting the message that people aren't satisfied w/ what they are offering & want other nonconventional options. My suggestion for vitamin C infusion for the GBS was responded w/ 'we have no record of that ever being used for GBS' or words to that effect. I refrained from mentioning Dr. Tent or Dr. Klenner curing polio w/ vitamin C. And according to Dr. Tent, GBS and MS is polio renamed.

I've since been going to my doctor for vitamin C/ozone infusions twice weekly along w/ even more supplements to combat the virus at the root of the problem (I sent the Dr.Tent lecture vid & forum link to my nurse practitioner). Surprisingly, she said they have had good results using Jim Humble's MMS w/ their patients, but I turned that option down based on what the forum had revealed regarding it.

I guess I'm in the plateau stage as I'm not getting any worst but still have the same symptoms - blurred double vision, Bell's paulsy still, arm/hand weakness w/ tingling in fingers as well as occasional pain in arms & hands plus headache. I've had to tape my left eye closed along w/ an eyepatch in order to see at all (blurred vision but only one image) and to be able to walk around. Already had a walker, shower chair and wheelchair because of my mother's needs before she passed away last year. I can generally walk around the house w/o the walker including going up & down stairs, but the biggest problem has been being able to see. A magnifying glass has been a must for most reading. I spent a good portion of last Wed. reading the latest C's transcript thread which really worked out on my one 'good' eye. I will sometimes switch to the left eye for viewing/reading, but found trying to walk w/ just that eye doesn't work w/ my brain - guess it adjusted for the other eye. I'm mostly just reading the article headlines on Sott as trying to read the entire article is really a strain. I'm still trying to catch up on the whole fake news/FBI pedophile ruse/Pizzagate gunman thing. Gee, just when you think things can't get any weirder, they do!

Before being felled by this affliction, I was not on any prescriptions which is contrary to most people in their mid-60s. I overheard my OSU doctors say that my T3 and T4 were good as well as my ferritin. So apparently the track I was on for my Hashimotos and anemia that I had been diagnosed w/ last Feb. was working. I did leave the hospital w/ two scripts, one for high blood pressure and one to aid sleep. Also recommended were supplements for zinc sulfate, selenium and vitamin D3. At that time I was having difficulty swallowing even small tablets. Since seeing my regular doctor, I have been given even more supplements. I counted and now have 19 supplements altogether for my initial Hashimotos & anemia, later diagnosed adrenal fatigue, and my current GBS. I've rarely had to take any pills most of my life and actually hate taking pills. So working up to the complete regimen I've been given is a challenge - I'm not quite there yet, but getting closer.

My daughter brought me an early Xmas present, an essential oil diffuser w/ an oil to ease headaches. Now that her friends have embraced holistic/organic lifestyles, mom doesn't seem so wacko anymore. I replaced all of the portable phones we had in our house - and I seriously wonder if they were the culprits re the anemia - and have a device that puts out a positive field to counter bad EMF as my neighborhood has been converted to smart meters except for our house. Still have wifi as the ethernet cable worked for about 2 min then quit & we don't know why. Haven't had a chance to deal w/ that again yet. My cell phone lives turned off in my purse except when I occasionally use it. Still have a land line.

Miller Fisher syndrome is a rare, acquired nerve disease that is considered to be a variant of Guillain-Barré syndrome. It is characterized by abnormal muscle coordination, paralysis of the eye muscles, and absence of the tendon reflexes. Like Guillain-Barré syndrome, symptoms may be preceded by a viral illness. Additional symptoms include generalized muscle weakness and respiratory failure. The majority of individuals with Miller Fisher syndrome have a unique antibody that characterizes the disorder.

My current treatment seems to be anti-viral. Interesting that Dr. Klenner who cured polio in the late 40s w/ vitamin C said that an adequate amount of vitamin C can destroy any virus. It would seem repairing/restoring my myelin sheaths will be key to regaining normal function. Internet info gauges that to be in the six month to one year time period. If I'm lucky, it will be sooner w/ no permanent problems such as arthritis.
 
Good grief, JEEP!!! I am so sorry you are going through all of this. :hug:

It looks like you have good knowledge of alternative medicine(s) and have a doctor who deals with these kinds of treatments. So that's a plus; along with your daughter(s?) who are there to help you.

I have no advice to give you and am sorry for that. I just want you to know that you are in my thoughts and I'm hoping for the best for you.

Another :hug:
 
JEEP said:
My current treatment seems to be anti-viral. Interesting that Dr. Klenner who cured polio in the late 40s w/ vitamin C said that an adequate amount of vitamin C can destroy any virus. It would seem repairing/restoring my myelin sheaths will be key to regaining normal function. Internet info gauges that to be in the six month to one year time period. If I'm lucky, it will be sooner w/ no permanent problems such as arthritis.

Jeez Jeep - what a bummer! Apparently what they call GBS comes on fast like you describe. Many years ago a female co-worker went downhill in much the same way - her diagnosis was viral-induced GBS. It was at least 6 months before she returned to work but by about 1 year, she had regained most normal function (less her previous downhill skiing regimen). Shortly after, she was married and starting a family. So you probably do have an uphill climb ahead of you.

Since your nerve tissue is going to require tender care, I do have a strong suggestion - minimize your EMF environment including WiFi and cell exposure. Get that hardwired ethernet working and turn the WiFi off. I have a very dim view of those devices that claim to "counter" a bad EMF environment (iow BS) - unless they come with the appropriate studies to prove it. It might be worthwhile to get someone qualified to measure your ambient EMF exposure (to wideband RF) and identify the sources.

And keep us updated on your evolving condition - hopefully you can shave some recovery time off.
 
Jeep, have you given up all dairy and simple carbs, and grains? Have you thought about being tested for food sensitivities and heavy metals? Do you have an IR sauna blanket?

Those are the very first things I would implement: diet, detoxing metals, daily sauna in the blanket. It saved my life back in 2008 when I was in about as bad shape as you are now and trying to recover from surgery.
 
Jeep, what an ordeal. What is up with all those rare syndromes!

Other than dietary measures and basic supplementation, I would also look into doing some probiotic enemas. This all started in the gut with a campylobacter spp. That speaks of how unhealthy the chicken was.

Hopefully you will make a full recovery!
 
Hey Jeep, my sympathies for your condition. It sounds like a real ordeal. My cousin had symptoms similar to yours years ago, it started with droopy right eye and loss of control of the right side of his face and my aunt got online and found it was possibly lyme's disease. They gave him IV antibiotics and he cleared up shortly thereafter. Have you been tested for lyme's disease? It's probably not likely, unless you were out in the woods shortly before your symptoms manifested, but I thought I would mention it nonetheless.
 
Incredible Jeep!! I am glad you are on the mend, but I am sorry that you had to go through all that. I don't really have any advice; however, I do have support to give. Big hugs. :hug2: :hug2:
 
Thanks all for your kind thoughts and/or advice. In reading more of the scanned quotes that Gaby provided, diet made the difference in recovery for autoimmune disease for one person in particular - the one who had the spinal tap that went horribly wrong. I've made changes, but need to do more as I've really wrestled w/ the many recommended dos & don'ts. I've really contemplated whether my illness was a direct message from the universe that I'm not 'seeing things clearly'. I would have preferred a less drastic means, but one can hardly complain at being the recipient of divine intervention - confirmation that my small voice is indeed being heard.

Lyme was one of the possibilities considered but seemed most unlikely. I had my remaining amalgam fillings removed during the summer and the doctor's office I go to has patients getting chelation. I believe there are far-infared gloves as well as blankets & I definitely want to acquire those.

According to WebMD, infections that can trigger GBS include:

  • Campylobacter jejuni, which can cause a type of food poisoning.
  • MycoplasmaMycoplasma, which can cause pneumonia.
  • Cytomegalovirus (CMV), which can cause fever, chills, sore throat, swollen glands, body aches, and fatigue.
  • Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), which can cause mononucleosis (mono).
  • Varicella-zoster virus, which can cause chickenpox and shingles.

Vaccines have been implicated for bringing on GBS, too, as most of you know. A relatively recent Sott health article indicated that one of the side effects of the shingles vaccine was . . . shingles! How'd you like to get GBS on top of that?!

Since I can't drive w/ my impaired vision, I must rely on my spouse to do the things I would normally do. This is straining the relationship even more than usual. Growing up in a family of six, he learned that if you didn't eat fast, you wouldn't get enough to eat at meals. This has carried over into his adult life in that he has a real food phobia about getting enough to eat. He purposely ate non-recommended food both times while recovering from a TMJ operation & a hiatal hernia operation. I found out after the fact that due to the HH operation, if he has to vomit, he'll need to go to the ER! He has psoriasis which is autoimmune, but doesn't want to change what he eats - and it would be difficult in regards to his work situation. So, I'm trying to make changes in an unsupportive environment. Plus, trying to acquire food that's not GMO or glyphosate contaminated gets more difficult all the time. When I read the labels on food products in the supposedly 'health food' stores, soy and/or canola oil is usually among the ingredients. These stores are spread out requiring a lot of driving to different locales to take advantage of sale prices or just availability of what I want. Or something that I really like gets discontinued which occurred w/ my favorite salad dressing. And if I really don't like something, I won't eat it no matter how healthy it is.

The right side of my face has improved enough that I can speak normally and my arms aren't quite as weak as before w/ better range of motion. Reaching up to place or retrieve something stills takes effort, but I can generally do it if not too high. Head and arm/hand pain has mostly gone away. I really hated having to take Tylenol, but it was the only practical option. We were supposed to visit my son & his family in Denver for Xmas, but I thought it would be too stressful & might cause a flareup. Plus, I didn't want the grandkids to see me in such a compromised state. But one can get cannabis there although I wouldn't want to do so w/o a competent health professional's guidance. I believe GBS is one of the conditions approved for medical marijuana in some states as it relieves the pain associated w/ it. Not sure if it helps myelin sheath rejuvenation.

On a positive note, getting on the scale this morning revealed a ten pound weight loss. Significant illness w/ extended hospital stay is not a recommended way to lose weight. It will tend to give you high blood pressure to boot. I have very good married friends who came to visit me in the hospital. The husband has pancreatic cancer and is in his third year of treatment at OSU. We were commiserating re what one goes thru as a patient especially the 4 am blood draws w/ vitals as well as the lack of quiet. The medical staff carries on w/ little to no regard for sick people needing sleep & rest. In her husband's case, the wife even went out & told them they were being unprofessional. Additionally, adjacent patients can also be loud & disruptive even in the middle of the night. We both had experienced such on an unbelievable level. His story was much wilder than mine but I forget the details now.

Again, thanks for all your well wishes & will update as my recovery progresses.
 
Challenger is ecstasy eh ?!

It seems difficult for you but you are well advised. I risk an advise about sheath rejuvanation that you may already know : Eiriu Eolas, maybe you can exponentially increase pipe breathings break and/or breath in pipe breath the continuously. I was doing this all day when I first begin EE, and it was life changing.

In hope that you recover soon.
 
I wish that you recover very soon. I am very sorry for what you had to live, how hard is this situation. Take care. :hug2:
 
JEEP said:
I've made changes, but need to do more as I've really wrestled w/ the many recommended dos & don'ts.

I'm not sure I follow you there. What changes, and what have your wrestled with exactly? Most of the other hypotheses you mentioned could have something to do with your gut. If the terrain is healthy, then pathogens have a much harder time sticking.

I've really contemplated whether my illness was a direct message from the universe that I'm not 'seeing things clearly'. I would have preferred a less drastic means, but one can hardly complain at being the recipient of divine intervention - confirmation that my small voice is indeed being heard.

Well, it can also be one's body saying NO to something, a message to oneself, more than the Universe itself caring as much, if we haven't done something to deserve it. Just a thought that is hard to prove, of course.

I hope you recover well!
 
Hi Jeep,
thank you for sharing your situation, and I hope to be able to contribute with some advice - I had a client which was ok after doing the iodine protocol, but dropped it after a while and lately he is complaining about muscle strain around his eye, blurred vision.
Unfortunately, he said will come back, but he hadn't so far. I don't know whether it was the case for quitting iodine or he might have the bacteria/virus fed by too little iodine, as the C's said, could happen.

Here is dr Jack Kruse about MS and myelinisation:

https://www.jackkruse.com/organizational-structural-failure-10-multiple-sclerosis/

Today, accumulating evidence suggests that the increased energy demand of impulse conduction along excitable demyelinated axons and reduced axonal ATP production induce a chronic state of virtual hypoxia in chronically demyelinated axons. Hypoxia is tied to a lack of ATP production and low O2 tensions. These are associated with a loss of heat from the inner mitochondrial membrane. Heat happens to be a form of electromagnetic spectrum of light.
Do you know the story of the Japanese AMA? If not have a look here. The Japanese AMA never have had a reported case of MS. Multiple sclerosis (MS) in Asian populations is characterized by the selective and severe involvement of the optic nerve and spinal cord as well as low prevalence rates. The Japanese eat a lot of DHA naturally. Might this be why they have a different form of MS than the rest of the world? Why is its incidence and prevalence exploding since 1960? Japanese people born after modernization in the 1960’s, the ratio of conventional to opticospinal MS has increased rapidly. Technology has also exploded in Japan since 1960. Let us explore the links.

Multiple sclerosis (MS), an inflammatory demyelinating disease, is a major cause of neurological disability in young adults in the developed world. Although the progressive neurological disability that most patients with MS eventually experience results from axonal degeneration, little is known about the mechanisms of axonal injury in MS. I believe the reason for this is because no one is looking at the quantum scale to see how this disease forms. Today, accumulating evidence suggests that the increased energy demand of impulse conduction along excitable demyelinated axons and reduced axonal ATP production induce a chronic state of virtual hypoxia in chronically demyelinated axons. Hypoxia is tied to a lack of ATP production and low O2 tensions. These are associated with a loss of heat from the inner mitochondrial membrane. Heat happens to be a form of electromagnetic spectrum of light. Heat is a associated with proton flows in mitochondria.

ATP production is decreased when humans naturally uncouple oxidative phosphorylation. It turns out, MS patients are chronically uncoupled by several environmental stressors that few are tying to the cause of this disease. This means MS patients are losing proton flows constantly. I believe the results Pollack has found in water is a very significant part of the MS story being missed; it is much easier for H+ to dissociate from the water molecule than for the water molecule to lose an electron.

Uncoupling is normally done in the non pathologic process by cold environments allowing mitochondria to release heat. People with MS are very temperature sensitive both at cold temperatures and hot temperatures. This is because they all have abnormal T3 function and they cannot properly use UCP1 or 3. When you are temperature insensitive it implies you have lost the ability to control uncoupling for some reason.

Uncoupling allows for loss of heat. Heat is a form of light called infra-red light and is tied to proton flows. It has been experimentally shown by Fritz Albert Popp that Multiple Sclerosis patients absorb excessive amounts of light because they are losing excessive amounts of heat and protons from their mitochondria. In essence, MS patients are drowning in spectral deficient light and this causes then to leak protons constantly from their mitochondria and this lowers the exclusion zone in cells and as a secondary effect the interior of the cell become less negative.

In the above you could notice how the Hashimoto thyroiditis links in!

People continue to believe they need a balanced diet of high quality food. What they really need is a balanced diet of solar light. Solar light is not equivalent to artificial light. Man made light is polarized and spectrally deficient. We not only “eat” sunlight–we can actually digest it and break it into its component frequencies to power specific mitochondrial processes that drive the neural processes that control growth and metabolism.
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Sunlight is supposed to provide us a “balanced diet.” Understanding MS fully is beginning to understand how modern artificial light is really highly-unbalanced “junk food” for our mitochondria. Red and infrared light are more like organic “health food” for a mitochondria because of its effect on cytochrome c oxidase and the ATPase. Blue light destroys the voltage in mitochondria and slows electron tunneling speeds to reduce energy efficiency. In fact, Popp has shown that 380-nanometer light is a “superfood” for regeneration. Several researchers have backed up this claim with experiments. The frequency of light in our bodies is critically important. Light can only enter our cytochrome proteins as incident light when it excites electrons of foods which ferry it to our mitochondria after we eat. UV-light is like caffeine or “jet fuel” for the mitochondria and this is why electrons excited by UV light enter at the NAD+/NADH couple ( it can help or hurt depending upon the space within your cells). Gamma rays and x-rays are most always poisons because they excite electrons closer to to the nucleus. Solar light only effects the valence electrons. Radio-waves (nn-EMF) when present in excess, by interfering with magnetic perception, cellular signalling, and mitochondrial electron transport basically cause a “light indigestion” in mitochondria. Cell phone antenna’s all use an RF antenna. Many people put these devices up to the head chronically in the modern world.
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KEY MS POINT: MS patients lack EZ water around their mitochondria and organelle’s because most suffer with high BUN to creatine ratio’s.
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DHA is a natural ligand for retinoid X receptors (RXR= Vitamin A) – obligatory step – stimulates > 107 genes that developed the brain 600 million yrs ago. DHA has the ability to turn light into electric signals. DHA is where optogenetics began in evolution. Everything was fine……..until humans invented fake light and stopped eating seafood.

To regenerate myelin, the best way is to include sunlight, clean spring water, grounding and fats from seafood, fresh and natural, like oysters,shrimp, salmon. green leafy vegetables tp provide nitrogen and nitric oxyde , and, of course, limit the non native EMF.

People with low levels of nitrogen substrate in their skin (MS patients) can no longer make nitric oxide in their skin from UV light. Nitric oxide synthesis and vitamin D synthesis are linked by UV light. UV light is another frequency within sunlight. This is why Vitamin D levels tend to be low in MS patients. MS patients are drowning in fake light and missing natural sunlight. When nitric oxide is decreased NOS synthesis in the skin is decreased and it results in lowered Vitamin D production in the skin.

Hyperbaric oxygen therapy , infrared sauna are also good.

Oxygen clearly helps to augment the magnetic effects. This is a huge loss in Multiple Sclerosis patients. IR light is normally released when we uncouple oxidative respiration in the cold. MS patients release heat abnormally in all climates. This is why they are thermally sensitive and lack energy.

I believe that the above is useful information. Take care, and hope to see you soon completely recovered.

My best wishes!
 
When I was 12 or so, I was having some kind of emotional conundrum that resulted in a fervent prayerful request for an angel to appear. I have no idea now as to why or what instigated this. As it just so happened, that was on a Sat. night. I was sitting in the pew of church the next day, not particularly mindful of the minister's sermon, when I suddenly became acutely aware that he was recounting a circumstance identical to what I had just had the night before. His message: Yes, angels appeared in biblical times, but we should not expect such things to happen anymore. God speaks to us through people.

My jaw was on the floor. How could I not interpret what I was hearing as a direct communication from God via a person, in this case the minister. I was too shy to tell the minister that his sermon was personal to me, but I've never forgotten its occurence. Was it indeed a message from God? Had the minister written the sermon days earlier and it was merely coincidence that it resonated w/ me? Who knows.

Likewise, that my current affliction that has particularly affected my vision may or may not be a spiritual communication. May be part & parcel of the body saying NO. I actually looked up what was written on that subject earlier this year and didn't think the parameters fit w/ my situation. But then, I didn't think I had a thyroid problem either - wrong! Again, who knows.

I take all the health info offered on the forum very seriously and clearly comprehend the intrinsic value of the recommended protocols. But what has become clear is that what works for some - or even most - may not work for others. Such is the case w/ the ketogenic diet which truly shocked me as I believed everyone on the planet needed to eat that way. That anecdotal evidence indicates that some things benefit some people that goes against the forum consensus appears to be true such as the people having good results from MMS. And so the wrestling.

I return to a point made by Dr. Suzanne Humphries (especially in regards to vaccinations) - that no two people are identical in terms of inherited genes, environmental exposures or epigenetic influences that contribute to biodiversity.

So there's that along w/ anything can happen w/ the environment. This from the Dr. Tent thread:
This Enterovirus D68 that's hitting the U.S. now is creepy. [...] Allegedly, the Enteroviruses are spread via fecal/oral and they tend to happen in late summer, early fall. [Same was true for polio & lead arsenate pesticide spraying of apples] What is being spread through the air at this time or is something that exists in upper atmosphere at all times, delivered down by powerful thunderstorms and air currents.

I also found this article about how this ED68 can alter genes to switch on certain diseases, in this case diabetes. http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2012/03/examining-his-own-body-stanford-geneticist-stops-diabetes-its-tracks

So, these things can alter our genes and make us predisposed to conditions that can deteriorate a person's immune system and possibly start affecting other pathways: diabetes/insulin resistance to altered pH to altered gut biomes.

Plus, new revelations re how viruses operate in our bodies. Woodsman's paraphrase of info from "Fear of the Invisible" on the same Dr. Tent thread:

In short, our cells collectively create billions of viruses as a normal means of data sharing amongst each other. The reason they are so hard to find by virology is that once they have delivered their cargo, (they travel along little highways made from strands of cellular material strung all through cell structures), the little protein vehicles break apart as the DNA delivery is absorbed into the receiving cell. The virus is effectively gone, and the coding of important bits of DNA allow an entire animal to adapt and change its own internal makeup according to changes and threats in the environment.

What struck me as potentially huge is that this means of data sharing isn't limited to single animals, but to whole species. Viruses, by design, are meant to spread valuable DNA messages and changes among whole populations, and illnesses, when they occur are not necessarily a bad thing, but evidence of the shock of a significant code change. Too much can overwhelm, and indeed, broken and alien (like monkey and bird viruses coming from eggs and mashed up monkey kidneys used as vaccine growth substrates), can wreak havoc on a system. But on the whole, the virus ecology is ongoing daily without our noticing it. Virology mistakenly describes all virus activity as pathogenic and seeks to arrest it.
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The C's mentioned very recently an odd item which stuck in my head:
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A: In some cases there is also a supersensory component.

Q: (L) What is a supersensory component?

A: Externally driven mutation.

Q: (L) Externally driven by what?

A: Most often by the occupying soul itself.

Q: (L) So are you saying that if a soul selects a body or gets a close frequency match to a body that it wants to use, that it can also modify that body for its own purposes if it needs to and if the DNA match isn't quite to its taste or purposes?

A: Yes.

Q: (Andromeda) So our souls can cause mutations?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) Does that happen pre-birth?

A: No, it can happen once the soul is seated and as needed.

Q: (L) So, what are some of the processes that can effect this in a physical way?

A: Diet is one. Also "arrangement" to contract the needed sickness.

Q: (Pierre) So you contract a sickness because the soul wants to learn something and experience something, and it's through this sickness that this learning will occur?

A: No. The soul and its helpers wants to trigger DNA modification!

OK - wrap your mind around that tidbit! The more I learn, the more I realize just how extremely complex & complicated everything relating to our being is be it physical, mental, emotional, or spiritual. Did my soul trigger my illness? Who knows. Well, it certainly triggered more learning, and as Laura's signature line denotes:

Those who learn must suffer

No pain, no gain.
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Just now seeing Shared Joy's post - I'll have to digest what you posted. I was already intriged by Dr. Jack Kruse although at first glance I wondered if one needs to be a PhD to really comprehend what's he's putting forth. Haven't listened to his latest interview yet but know mitrochondria are very important. I did mention hyperbaric oxygen therapy to my NP & she said that was available in the area. Thanks so much for the great info as it looks like it really addresses my situation. :flowers:
 
JEEP said:
When I was 12 or so, I was having some kind of emotional conundrum that resulted in a fervent prayerful request for an angel to appear. I have no idea now as to why or what instigated this. As it just so happened, that was on a Sat. night. I was sitting in the pew of church the next day, not particularly mindful of the minister's sermon, when I suddenly became acutely aware that he was recounting a circumstance identical to what I had just had the night before. His message: Yes, angels appeared in biblical times, but we should not expect such things to happen anymore. God speaks to us through people.

My jaw was on the floor. How could I not interpret what I was hearing as a direct communication from God via a person, in this case the minister. I was too shy to tell the minister that his sermon was personal to me, but I've never forgotten its occurence. Was it indeed a message from God? Had the minister written the sermon days earlier and it was merely coincidence that it resonated w/ me? Who knows.

Quite often such coincidences are arranged by the dark lords of entropy to deceive us into thinking we are speshul.

JEEP said:
Likewise, that my current affliction that has particularly affected my vision may or may not be a spiritual communication. May be part & parcel of the body saying NO. I actually looked up what was written on that subject earlier this year and didn't think the parameters fit w/ my situation. But then, I didn't think I had a thyroid problem either - wrong! Again, who knows.

I would say you are getting closer to reality here.

JEEP said:
I take all the health info offered on the forum very seriously and clearly comprehend the intrinsic value of the recommended protocols.

Actually, your campaign for cow's milk comes to mind.

JEEP said:
But what has become clear is that what works for some - or even most - may not work for others. Such is the case w/ the ketogenic diet which truly shocked me as I believed everyone on the planet needed to eat that way. That anecdotal evidence indicates that some things benefit some people that goes against the forum consensus appears to be true such as the people having good results from MMS. And so the wrestling.

In fact, the forum consensus, after lengthy experimentation IS that some things benefit some people and not others. What is also interesting is the spiritual/psychological profiles that are associated with particular dietary preferences, needs and tolerances.

Regarding MMS, some people can have "good results" taking arsenic, too - and other poisons. I use MMS to disinfect my toilet and I'm sure it kills critters of various sorts. However, understanding what we do about the halides in the periodic table, I suppose that one can also consider the spiritual/psychological profiles as related to success or failure in the use of MMS (or many other things. I've often noted that people who can survive and thrive on the worst junk seem to have the least depth to their natures).

JEEP said:
I return to a point made by Dr. Suzanne Humphries (especially in regards to vaccinations) - that no two people are identical in terms of inherited genes, environmental exposures or epigenetic influences that contribute to biodiversity.

This is certainly true. But there are also tribal sequences in DNA. Some things DO apply "across the board". What a person can survive on is not necessarily what is optimal.

JEEP said:
So there's that along w/ anything can happen w/ the environment. This from the Dr. Tent thread:

This Enterovirus D68 that's hitting the U.S. now is creepy. [...] Allegedly, the Enteroviruses are spread via fecal/oral and they tend to happen in late summer, early fall. [Same was true for polio & lead arsenate pesticide spraying of apples] What is being spread through the air at this time or is something that exists in upper atmosphere at all times, delivered down by powerful thunderstorms and air currents.

I also found this article about how this ED68 can alter genes to switch on certain diseases, in this case diabetes. http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2012/03/examining-his-own-body-stanford-geneticist-stops-diabetes-its-tracks

So, these things can alter our genes and make us predisposed to conditions that can deteriorate a person's immune system and possibly start affecting other pathways: diabetes/insulin resistance to altered pH to altered gut biomes.

<snip>

Yes, the above is important, but as has been noted again and again: the terrain is more important than the microbe.

JEEP said:
The C's mentioned very recently an odd item which stuck in my head:
[...]
A: In some cases there is also a supersensory component.

Q: (L) What is a supersensory component?

A: Externally driven mutation.

Q: (L) Externally driven by what?

A: Most often by the occupying soul itself.

Q: (L) So are you saying that if a soul selects a body or gets a close frequency match to a body that it wants to use, that it can also modify that body for its own purposes if it needs to and if the DNA match isn't quite to its taste or purposes?

A: Yes.

Q: (Andromeda) So our souls can cause mutations?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) Does that happen pre-birth?

A: No, it can happen once the soul is seated and as needed.

Q: (L) So, what are some of the processes that can effect this in a physical way?

A: Diet is one. Also "arrangement" to contract the needed sickness.

Q: (Pierre) So you contract a sickness because the soul wants to learn something and experience something, and it's through this sickness that this learning will occur?

A: No. The soul and its helpers wants to trigger DNA modification!

Yes. And that relates directly to the terrain which is "terraformed" by the soul, so to say. Again we come back to "When the Body Says 'No'" though at a somewhat deeper level than just psychological issues though certainly, those can be directly related to spiritual issues. In fact, I would suggest that a person can have a psychological issue that induces certain dietary changes for the express purpose of activating the needed DNA - that is, needed/wanted by the spiritual "driver". So, as you suggest, getting sick can sometimes be a blessing.

JEEP said:
OK - wrap your mind around that tidbit! The more I learn, the more I realize just how extremely complex & complicated everything relating to our being is be it physical, mental, emotional, or spiritual. Did my soul trigger my illness? Who knows. Well, it certainly triggered more learning, and as Laura's signature line denotes:

Those who learn must suffer

No pain, no gain.
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Yes, so true.
 
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