Half moving up, Half moving down. . . --A question

[Woodsman]

This may have been asked already, but I've not found anything referring to it yet. . .

I've wondered for a long time about the idea that the division between. . , I won't call them souls. . , perhaps "thought centers" is a better way to describe the population of consciousness units. . , but the idea that about half are seeking the oblivion of going back to sleep while the other half are seeking towards 7th density.

It's a simple nuts and bolts question. . .

Take the example of a human being on the downward path. How did that human get to the point where they occupy 3rd density in the first place? Did they rise up from 1st, to 2nd and then to 3rd at which point that unit decided to undo the work necessary to get there and then start moving backward?

Or did a mirror image start at a higher density and work its way down?

Does anybody know if this has been answered somewhere? Has it been discussed in another thread? If not, does anybody have any thoughts regarding this?

Thank you!

 

[PepperFritz]

Woodsman:

You seem to have confused a lot of the basic concepts in Laura's work and the Cassiopaean transcripts. Before I (and others) undertake the time-consuming work of sorting out your misconceptions and providing a clearer picture, I must ask you: Have you actually read Laura's Wave series in its entirety yet, as well as her Adventures With Cassiopaea? I suspect not, and would suggest that you go back to that core material in order to get a better grounding in the basic concepts.

We could try and spoon-feed you a "Sparks notes" version of the material, but that would really defeat the purpose of this forum -- which is to encourage members to learn by their own efforts.

 

[Woodsman]

Woodsman:

You seem to have confused a lot of the basic concepts in Laura's work and the Cassiopaean transcripts. Before I (and others) undertake the time-consuming work of sorting out your misconceptions and providing a clearer picture, I must ask you: Have you actually read Laura's Wave series in its entirety yet, as well as her Adventures With Cassiopaea? I suspect not, and would suggest that you go back to that core material in order to get a better grounding in the basic concepts.

Well. . , it's been a few years now since the series wrapped. I really thought I'd absorbed the bulk of the material, though I do admit that my attention drifted in and out during the episodic publication of Laura's notes and I'd not always catch up thoroughly. However, if my question illustrates as significant a series of blank spots and misconceptions in general knowledge as you indicate, then regardless of my past reading, a front to back re-visiting is clearly in order. No harm in that!

Cheers!

 

[kenlee]

How did that human get to the point where they occupy 3rd density in the first place? Did they rise up from 1st, to 2nd and then to 3rd at which point that unit decided to undo the work necessary to get there and then start moving backward?

I think bottom line is that we are here because we choose to be here. It might help if you study and research what is said in The Wave material on short and long wave cycles. Better yet, though, better to read or read anew The Wave material completely and from the beginning.

http://www.cassiopedia.org/glossary/Short_Wave_Cycle_/_Long_Wave_Cycle

In the Cassiopaea material, the term short wave cycle refers to a mode of evolving that involves reincarnation. The term long wave cycle refers to a mode of evolution that takes place in a purely non-material state.

Present mankind takes part in the short wave cycle mode. This involves a duality of experience, including being 'food for the moon' but has the advantage of catalyzing more rapid development.

The idea is that at least a portion of present day humanity originally belonged to a group soul that decided to experience physical life for faster development. This same group then experienced the 'Fall from Eden' as a second stage of falling in order to end up in the present physical world under the influence of 4th density STS forces.

As a by-product of this, also some 2nd density (animal) life forms enjoy additional catalyst for development, even though this too may take the form of being exploited by man, similarly to how man is exploited by 4D STS as a source of etheric nourishment.

 

[Woodsman]

I think bottom line is that we are here because we choose to be here. It might help if you study and research what is said in The Wave material on short and long wave cycles. Better yet, though, better to read or read anew The Wave material completely and from the beginning.

http://www.cassiopedia.org/glossary/Short_Wave_Cycle_/_Long_Wave_Cycle

The idea is that at least a portion of present day humanity originally belonged to a group soul that decided to experience physical life for faster development. This same group then experienced the 'Fall from Eden' as a second stage of falling in order to end up in the present physical world under the influence of 4th density STS forces.

Hm. So I'm now considering the following idea. . .

That perhaps the group soul had elements within it, (like the mind of the 1st Man as described by Gurdjieff being a cacophony of many conflicting parts), divided into 'up-moving' fragments and 'down-moving' fragments, which all manifested at 2nd and 3rd density to engage in the short wave cycle. This would account for the appearance of decomposing soul fragments in 3rd Density, (which would otherwise not have been able to get there given a set orientation and the simple 1st through 7th Density ladder metaphor as I understood it).

But that's just a rough guess. A full re-read of the Wave series is no doubt going to help to clarify things. I won't ask any more questions until then.

Thank-you for offering your time.

Cheers!

 

[anart]

That perhaps the group soul had elements within it, (like the mind of the 1st Man as described by Gurdjieff being a cacophony of many conflicting parts), divided into 'up-moving' fragments and 'down-moving' fragments, which all manifested at 2nd and 3rd density to engage in the short wave cycle.  This would account for the appearance of decomposing soul fragments in 3rd Density, (which would otherwise not have been able to get there given a set orientation and the simple 1st through 7th Density ladder metaphor as I understood it).

But that's just a rough guess. 

I think you might be thinking about this a little bit too linearly (which is rather how we think about things in 3D).  Perhaps it would help to consider the idea that the Universe - as an infinite whole - is about balance.  This would suggest that at any given time, as many entities are engaged in de-evolution are engaged in evolution - and all as equally important parts of the grand cycle of learning. 

After all, those souls engaged in what we here would consider 'the downward path' of STS and a 'drawing in upon oneself' consider themselves to be 'evolving' as well - just as those striving to be STO candidates consider themselves to be evolving - it's just in a 'different direction' - yet all part of the whole (picturing a yin/yang symbol might help).  It's rather a matter of perspective, I suppose, but all of it is learning and equally valid. 

And, considering that the Universe is in balance, it would seem that one path could not exist without the other.  So, perhaps, if you can reach out a bit past that linear interpretation to see a little more of the whole circle of things it might make more sense.

A full re-read of the Wave series is no doubt going to help to clarify things.  I won't ask any more questions until then.

Well, I don't personally think it's necessary to have the Wave material down cold before asking questions. Very few questions would be asked in that case and this forum is here for discussion after all!  I've read the Wave and Adventures Series many times, and I still don't have all of that material down cold - not to mention that a lot of it is a working hypothesis - which would necessarily mean that we're still working on figuring out the details (where the devil resides)!

So, ask away - and remember that what I've written above is simply my current understanding, which  may be mistaken - that's the fun part of learning - it never stops.

 

[webglider]

Take the example of a human being on the downward path. How did that human get to the point where they occupy 3rd density in the first place? Did they rise up from 1st, to 2nd and then to 3rd at which point that unit decided to undo the work necessary to get there and then start moving backward?

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I've been pondering a similar question for some time. After giving it much thought, I suggest that the downward spiral is inherent in the mechanical nature of the human machine. Because we are machines in so many ways, and because freeing ourselves from one's mechanical nature takes so much consciousness and hard work, and because STS forces have a vested interest in keeping us locked in our mechanical nature, the downward spiral happens naturally.

I'm referring here to The Law Of Seven which states that everything either grows or decays according to certain stages, (compared to the octaves on a musical scale), and that at a certain point the decay will automatically occur unless a conscious, concerted effort is made to reverse the natural pull downward.

Humans are at that point of entropy right now. Due to negative influences injected into mass culture and thus into the mass consciousness, the A influences are more prevalent than the B influences, (as they always have been), and thus it more difficult to form a magnetic center and attract C influences. So, without growth and the consciousness necessary to maintain growth, the organism, whether it is a country, an organization, an idea, a religion - or a human being devolves. It is in this way that so many ideas, organizations, and spiritual movements become the exact opposite of what they first were created to be.

In addition, for its own purposes, The General Law, insures that this set of circumstances will cause the devolution upon which its own success depends.

That is why Knowledge is so essential. That is why it is so important to fuse all those little pesky "i's" that subvert all goals, and intentions so that one forms an anchor within oneself.

In the last century, just to take a chunk of time as an illustration, there have been so many negative influences injected into the global culture by STS forces that it seems almost inevitable that so many will fall into entropy. Our bodies have been corrupted by impure food, water, air. Our earth has been polluted by industry. The natural interconnectiveness of nature has been disrupted. And, if we think about the information that we are being fed in poplular culture, what do we have but examples of corruption and lack of empathy? I have a theory that the way that we treat the animals in our care mirror how we ourselves are treated. Look at how animals are penned so they can't move, stuffed with impure food and antibiotics that are creating superbugs thtat defy antibiotics. Look at how money has been corrupted, and trust, and family, and education....

So, as you can see, it takes a lot of work to not devolve.