Hank: "There's gonna be a hangin'.......

[Johnno]

.....and it's gonna be a good hangin'."

Biff:"What was the name of that minister feller buddy of Bushes who was in trouble with them sports massage guys ."

Hank:'Dunno....can't remember.......all I know is.....there's gonna be a hangin'.....and it's gonna be that guy Saddam who flew those planes into the Twin Towers and had all them nooclear bombs."

Biff: "'I'm sure glad we got Mr Bush protectin' our freedoms. And lucky he has that buddy to prey over him....... i wonder what his name was?"

 

[CarpeDiem]

a hangin of the main witness of far more outrageous crimes. Monster criminals sentence to death a lesser one and make a spectacle with fanfares and fireworks of it, that a world we live in. cheeesh Saddam may be a criminal, and may be not (didn't dig into this), Miloshevich wasn't and was covertly sentenced to death for disobedience and being able to protect himself and his country with resolve and dignity.

 

[Guest]

How convenient that the Saddam fandango comes to a head this weekend, just prior to the mid-term elections in the U.S.

The irony is downright depressing. I watched a little of the "coverage" on BBC news24 this morning before going to work, and it smacked of the celebratory, in my humble opinion.

Iraq is a filthy mess, and a bloody one. The showbiz trial of a CIA sponsored fiend will not change a thing. I chatted with a few fellows at work today regarding this, to an almost deafening silence.

There does not seem to be an adequate means of measuring this news snippet, other than to shovel another load of salt onto the gaping wound. I used to work with an Iraqi man; he hated him, but his family were long since away from the country, relocating to fairer climes (they had some money). I remember chatting with him one night, saying it was going to get worse before it got better (a fool I was). How much worse can the place get? He asked me if I believed in God; I do not recall if I gave him a reasonable answer. From what I learned of him, he did have some degree of esoteric understanding within him, but he did not trust the Sufi tradition. He lent me a book entitled "My Name is Red" by Orhan Pamuk, which I need to read at some point, as I still have it.

Political absurdism has become the norm in everyday discourse, reducing all opinions into a form of binary, reactionary trade where almost nothing original is expressed. Programs arguing with programs. A veritable charicature of debate. I am incapable of weeping, but the cynicism of today makes me yearn for my former tears. But it is too late. Tears change nothing.

 

[Peam]

Hmm, no need to wheel osama bin-lid out of retirement on this occasion then, if Saddam's hangin can do the job.

 

[Johnno]

More than likely, they'll save Osama's head on a plate for when things get REALLY bad at home.

I forgot a link and the quotes were mine. However there's 4000 links on Google using the term Saddam and Hanged. I'm pretty sure the SotT guys can find a story!

 

[Alana]

I watched it in the news tonight. Saddam said he'd rather be shot than hanged. I personally hope they give him that. No matter who he was and what he did, that the verdict is "hanging" in our day and time... it just ain't right. whether Saddam is a characteropath, a psychopath or not (and not my place to judge), Lobaczewski wrote the following regarding the "judging" of those deviants by the normal people, which came to mind when hearing this:

Judging them in accordance with traditional legal regulations would constitute reverting to the imposition of normal man's force upon psychopathic individuals, ie, to the initial position which engendered pathocracy to begin with. Is subjecting them to vindictive justice worth prolonging the duration of pathocracy for even a single year, let alone an unspecified time? Would eliminating a certain number of psychopaths significantly diminish these anomalies' burden upon society's gene pool and contribute toward a solution to this problem?

Unfortunately, the answer is no!

People with variouspsychological deviations have always existed in every society on earth.

[...]
Legal retribution would be a repetition of the Nuremberg error. That judgment upon war criminals could have been a never-t-be repeated opportunity to show the world the entire psychopathology of the Hitlerian system, with the person of the "fuehrer" at the head. That would have led to a faster and deeper disabusement of the Nazi tradition in Germany. Such conscious exposure of the operations of pathological factors on a macrosocial scale would have reinforced the process of psychological rehabilitation for germans and the world as a whole by means of the naturalistic categories applicable to that state of affairs. That would also have constituted a healthy precedent for illuminating and stifling other pathocracies' operations.

[...]
Several famous individuals with psychopathic features or other deviations were hanged or sentenced to prison terms. Many facts and data which could have served the purposes adduced in this work were hanged and imprisoned along with these individuals. We can thus easily understand why pathocrats were so eager to achieve this precise result.

He then refers to the importance and the benefits of forgiving both for individuals and societies:

When we withhold judgment regarding the scope of the remainder unknown to us, we subject our mind to the discipline of refraining from entering a domain barely accessible to our mind.

Forgiveness thus leads our reason into a state of intellectual discipline and order, thereby permitting us to discern life's realia and their causative links more clearly. This makes it easier for us to control our instinct's vindictive reflexes and prodect our minds from the tendency to impose moralizing interpretations upon psychopathological phenomena.[...]

...Forgiveness helps us enjoy supernatural order and thereby gain the right to self-forgiveness.

[...]
Only such an act of mercy, unprecedented in history, can break the age old chain of ponerogenic cycles and open the door both to new solutions for perennial problems and to a new legislative method based on an understanding of the causes of evil.
Such difficult decisions therefore appear in keeping with the signs of the times. The author believes that this precise kind of breakthrough in the methodology of thought and action is within the Divine Plan for this generation.

 

[paulnotbilly]

http://www(dot)metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=23941&in_page_id=34

Saddam Hussein was found guilty of crimes against humanity on Sunday and sentenced to hang for ordering the killing, torture and jailing of hundreds of Shi'ites after a 1982 assassination attempt on Saddam in their town, Dujail.

This is what happens next:

WILL SADDAM BE HANGED VERY SOON?
Probably not. First there is an automatic referral to the Iraqi High Tribunal's nine-judge Appelate Chamber, which could amend both the verdict and the sentence.

Some court sources say that, if upheld, the sentence could be carried out next year.

SO WHAT HAPPENS THIS WEEK?
Saddam is due to appear for a routine hearing on Tuesday of his second trial, for genocide against ethnic Kurds in 1988.

In the meantime, he is held by the U.S. military at Camp Cropper, part of the U.S. base at Baghdad airport.

he five judges in the Dujail case are expected also to publish the detailed, unanimous ruling, running to some 200 to 300 pages.

It is eagerly awaited by international jurists keen to judge how the court performed.

WHAT IS THE APPEAL PROCESS?
Once the full judgment is published, the Appelate Chamber must receive the full case file from the Trial Chamber within 10 days.

The prosecution and defence team then have 20 days to review the case and submit comments.

Once that 30-day period is complete the Appelate Chamber has unlimited time to make its decision. It works on documents and open hearings are unlikely.

Court sources say it is likely to take at least some months.

AND IF THE APPEAL FAILS?
The Presidency Council - Iraq's Kurdish president and Shi'ite and Sunni Arab vice presidents- must ratify any death sentence.

Tribunal rules state any execution must be carried out within 30 days of a final decision, but experts are divided over whether that means from when the Appelate Chamber closes the case or from the ratification by the Presidency Council, which has no time limit.

President Jalal Talabani already does not sign death warrants on principle but delegates this to a deputy. Many Kurds would like a verdict in the 'Anfal' genocide trial next year before Saddam is put to death for killing Shi'ites.

Obviously they wouldn't want to ask any awkward questions like: "So, where did those chemical weapons come from?" (For those not too sure, there's a nice photo of some bloke called Donald Rumsfeld meeting Saddam...)

 

[Mark]

I saw the headline on the local newspaper today that Saddam will hang to death. That made me sick. So we see once again that those who place themselves into positions to deliver their version of justice is nothing more than them levying their opinion against another -- inflicting their ideals on others whereby they become so low they have to look up just to see down. And science is searching for blackholes...