(L) Well, I think the thing I want to open with is something Chu and I were having a conversation about a few days ago. I was telling her about a short exchange I had with Beau and then we were talking about the fact that everything just seems so horrible right now. We were wondering why it was that the kind of madness and denial of truth and reality that is going on in the world today is so upsetting to us. Why can't we just go into confluence, think about jobs and getting a pension and so forth? Why can't we just close our eyes to it and not stay stressed about it? We do tend to stay stressed...
(Artemis) High empathy.
A: High empathy plus lies tend to diminish the individuated soul.
Q: (L) So in other words, that would go with paying close attention to reality, right and left. If you can’t deal with the truth, accept it and act on it, you become a dream in the past? And when you become a dream in the past, that means you cease to exist?
A: For many, yes.
Q: (Artemis) If you have higher empathy, you have a higher sense of responsibility.
(L) But the problem is that, as Chu pointed out, things are happening rather slowly. For example, back on 9-11, I knew what it meant. I wrote about it and I said this is the beginning of what will ultimately end up with the complete removal of people's rights, censorship, and so on. As you guys said in the past, controlling people in every aspect of their lives. So, I knew that. But that was what, 17 years ago?! So, it's taken 17 years to really bring things out into the open and I expected it to happen much more quickly. While you guys say that time doesn't exist, for us here, it exists in a very real and concrete way. Bodies get older, eyes grow dim, energy lessens, the bloom of youth fades...
(Artemis) Those are like song lyrics...
(L) Ya know, are we gonna live to see this show end? Are we gonna see the final act?
A: Most likely. At a certain point a critical mass of energy build up will be reached and things will snowball, no irony intended!
Q: (Pierre) No irony intended, but it means that the final act will be closed or sealed by global cooling?
(L) Well, they've talked about that.
(Joe) It'll be one aspect.
(Andromeda) It'll start speeding up.
(L) In other words, events are likely to speed up and get crazier at a certain point?
A: Yes
Q: (L) And things won't drag out forever like they are now: this SLOOOOW, mind-obliterating insanity, it's just crazy.
(Pierre) It's not linear.
(L) I guess it's because it's nonlinear. Like an earthquake. You build up pressures, and you don't know when it's gonna break, but when it does... everything goes kaflooey.
A: Kaflooey is a good way to describe it.
Q: (Joe) In collapses of previous civilizations, they were typified by generalized chaos. People went a bit crazy. It's usually assumed that was because of the conditions of the collapsing civilization that people went crazy, right? But in our case, people are going crazy when there's no good reason to go crazy at all. They have food on the table, the basics are all there. The people who are going the craziest are the ones who aren't suffering any significant hardship. So it's almost like...
(L) If you read the history, you find out that it's actually the same: People would start going crazy for no good reason, and there would be things going on around the planet. And then it just got crazier and crazier and crazier. It's like civilizations and nations shoot themselves in the foot again and again.
(Chu) In the records, does it also show like 40, 50, or 100 years before the civilization collapses?
(L) Yeah. I would say that what's going on now started probably in 1914, or maybe even towards the close of the nineteenth century. So, we're just really kind of at the end of it. I mean, it was crazy enough according to Lobaczewski around WWI and then WWII. Then if you read that book Psychopathic God about Hitler where he goes into that extensive description of what it was like in Germany before Hitler, you see almost the same thing: people just acting freaking nuts!
(Joe) Crazy is in the eye of the beholder, as well.
(L) Lobaczewski referred to "Austrian talk", a state of mind or attitude that emerged out of Austria. And that's actually where Hitler was born. And Jung was Austrian. So was Freud and Kafka. The philosopher, Wittgenstein, Erwin Schroedinger, lot of very smart people, but some real crazy ones, too.
(Chu) It seems to be like the Tower of Babel every time things collapse. People start acting like god or thinking they're gods.
(Joe) That's what causes the craziness. By definition, that's acting crazy.
Driving seems to be my only time to relaxe. Singing as loud as I can to old spirituals gets me where I need to be . 
. Well I'm off to start my day. Sending you all good vibes. 
