Has anyone ever had this experience?

FireShadow

FireShadow

Jedi Master
Twice in my life, I have had an unusual experience.

The first time, I was speaking with a man I was dating at the time, and suddenly I was not seeing his physical form. The best I can describe is that I saw an energy form that was a swirling mass of darkness with a small "version of his physical form" with just a little bit of light, in the middle of the writhing mass. I felt a sucking sensation in my throat as if I were being sucked out of my body through my throat. The only way I could disconnect, was to turn my head away so that our eyes were no longer locked.

The second time a similar thing happened was when I was a counselor and was leading a group. One of the group members was talking and I was looking at him...when suddenly I saw the same writhing mass of dark energy surrounding a small lighted version of the guy. Has anyone else ever experienced this? Does anyone know what this was about?

My best guess was that these two people were consumed by evil. I mistakenly thought I could help the first one and spent 3 years in a relationship that I should have stayed away from. On the other hand, I learned a lot about psychopaths...and this one even told me of how he had studied methods to control other people's minds...
 
Very interesting. I've never heard of this experience before, but I've wondered about it. Some people seem to possess the ability to see "auras". A relative once told me that her friend one day perceived the blackest, darkest aura around a classmate. The friend didn't even know what auras were, and he was quite shocked by this black form surrounding the person. The next day, to his horror, he learned that the person had died in a freak car accident. And since then, he dreads ever seeing such a thing again (and apparently it hasn't reoccurred since). Of course it really makes one wonder about "destiny", especially in relation to something so "freaky" about a car accident.

Now, I'm not saying you saw the auras of psychopathic individuals, but I do wonder what the aura of a psychopath would actually look like. Perhaps your experience is common to sensitive people who come into contact with psychopaths.

If you haven't already, you should read Carlos Castaneda's "The Active Side of Infinity" because it contains some descriptions of energy forms and the like, albeit not relating to psychopaths.
 
Some people who come across as psychopaths don't have to be, its a question of whether they were born like it or if they were turned into that kind of person. Not that its easy to tell.

Some people don't respond well to others trying to change them, they can go the other way due to pride (ie. "I'm right, you'll see"), or be from such a different perspective that ungarbled communication isn't possible. I think the best thing to do if you feel that someone wants to change (rather than you wanting to change them), is to wait for the right moments and give them the satisfaction of doing things for themselves, by being helpful without being commanding, or giving them all the answers when its the quest that gives the answers meaning and detail - and the freedom of choice.

I have heard of a similar thing to what TDR said, my dad and a few others have said they saw "death" on/in someones face, then a few days later these people die (its happened more than once). I don't really know what they meant, and they didn't mention any auras. It is interesting though. I wonder what an aura is made of... atoms? :)
 
Thank you for the reference.

Maybe it is time to return to Castaneda. I did read the first 7 books back in the early-mid 80's, but it has been so long, I forget much. And as a result of some articles here at SOTT that make reference to Castaneda's books and I have been thinking of re-reading some. Perhaps, I will start with "The Active Side of Infinity".

I can vaguely remember "Don Juan" talking about something like egg shapes and energy forms...but, I don't remember the details. I did think my experiences sounded something like those egg shapes and "energy forms", though. At least, that description is the only thing I have read or heard about that even comes close. More so than (my conception) that with "auras", the physical form (image) of the person remains constant, but with (energy) colors around them. What I saw was predominantly a writhing mass of darkness with a very small representation of the individual concerned in the middle. Physically, he did not look like himself, but I "knew" who I was looking at...and the sucking sensation of being sucked out through what would be my "throat chakra" was a bit frightening.

Although, the experience your relative had with seeing a black aura and then the person dying either would be rather unsettling as well.

On the other hand, truth is truth and I would rather see truth, unpleasant though it may be, than not to see truth.

I am pretty sure the first guy was a psychopath, but am not sure of the second. If I were to imagine what an "energy form" of a psychopath looked like, this would be it. The writhing mass of darkness was overwhelming. If what I saw was a representation of a psychopath, then I know to run when I next see one! So, I do think Seeing is better than not.

I do hope I am not rambling, but I have only been able to talk of this to a handful of people. Mostly, if I mention things like this, people just look at me as if I am crazy. I'm weird, but I don't think I am crazy. So, it is a relief to be able to simply discuss the topic and try to figure it out. I do like to figure things out.

I value reading and try to do a lot of it. However, when I read a description of something that is outside of the 5 "ordinary" senses and is therefore really "undescribable", I must conceptualize. As I conceptualize what "seeing auras" looks like, I conceptualize what those "energy forms" look like. So, I have the written descriptions and I have my two experiences and photos of "auras" to go on. To me, the descriptions sound different and what I saw with those 2 guys was quite different from the photos I have seen of "auras".

That is why in addition to reading, discussing can be useful. Perhaps another's experience or perception can add to my knowledge base...



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Added: Russ, hey, I was very young! I thought "love could save him".

There were times I thought he wanted help. But, psychopaths can make you think that.

I do tend to agree that some are born psychopaths and some are made. I believe (until evidence to the contrary) that the first guy (the one I dated) was one who was made.

I had the feeling that the small representation of him with just a little bit of light was what was left of him... and based on stories he told me of his life, I got the impression that he made an evil decision, then another, and before he realized what was happening, evil was consuming him.
 
We have a victim, who would be reluctant to reveal herself, from our site (http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com) who told us:

- she had a number of dreams of her cyberpath being around different women. One dream in particular he had her tied by her wrists to a bench (?) in a room full of many women, her and him. He would disappear into the crowd of women and them come back to check on her. -- it was found 4 months later, he had been seeing escorts for 4 years on top of being very married

- she had lunch with him and at that time he was surrounded by a dark gray aura (she said she can occassionally see them). she told us it was really disconcerting and almost oppressive.

Many people probably have these experiences and blow them off. BTW - this cyberpath? DEFINITELY a psychopath in our opinion.
 
I'm not saying that I've had this experience before, but it has been "said" that we are all psychic, and that (maybe) we (might) experience this phenomenon in different ways. For example the "clairaudient" "hears" things; the "clairsensencient" "feels" things; and the "clairvoyant" "sees" things (with their mind's eye)...... Well, you 'get' the picture??

So, it would seem to me that you are "seeing" something, and it had to do with the throat chakra for some reason. And this chakra has to do with communication and the words we speak - also with (physical?) problems in that area such as throat infections? Now - I'm no expert, but... I was wondering, are these people 'stealing' the words out of your mouth or somehow 'using' you to 'communicate' in someway?

What you may be seeing is a 'message' to you, that you actually have (both) psychic ability as well as the ability to 'communicate' (using the throat chakra) with other people. If you don't 'see' it: then, there is a fair chace that others will - and 'use' it... For their own benefit.

Just one scenario...

I would be interested to know if you have had any interesting or unusual experiences or awarenesses with any ability to verbally 'communicate'?
 
i crossed paths with a psychopath that claimed he could see auras. In retrospect, i realise this was probably part of the 'aura' of mystery he cloaked himself under, so vectoring the attention, time/energy of gullible fools like yours truly ever closer into his web. i discovered he was a psychopath quite accidentally; by naively relating to him my newfound awareness of psychopathy! He appeared to shrink a little (to physically recoil, by way of instinctive reflex) and his face would grimace in horror at realising that perhaps his prey was not so tasty after all.

Fireshadow said:
I'm weird, but I don't think I am crazy. So, it is a relief to be able to simply discuss the topic and try to figure it out. I do like to figure things out.
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Welcome to SOTT, Fireshadow. i had a peep at your website - i appreciate you sharing your story and making your voice heard, thank you :)

There is a lot of material that underlies the work towards objectivity on these websites, but this is where i began and never looked back. It is essentially both one woman's story and also a framework through which to grasp the diverse topics you will encounter here.

Good luck and Godspeed, friend!
 
Purplehaze, I have checked out the site on cyperpaths; it is good to get the information out there. My experience with that first psychopath taught me that not only do they use our sympathy, but any weakness they can find in us. In my case (please forgive me, I was so very young), it was my ego and my desire to help. Rather than pretend he had never done evil, he confessed his evils to me on the pretense he wanted to change...and my love and help would be what would do it. Another argument in favor of "knowing ourselves"!

Ruth, yes, I am familiar with those terms and actually, I think I am somewhat "clairsensencient". One example: Once when I was leading another group...before the group, I centered myself and as I walked into the room, I suddenly felt a variety of emotions. They did not seem connected with anything related to me or my life. They seemed a "chaotic blend" of disparate emotions. As I began to ask questions of the group members, they reported a "relapse" of one member and their reactions of anger, fear, worry, etc. There was a time period around then that I could not go grocery shopping in the evening as there were too many people at cross purposes - if felt like being plugged into an electric socket. I shopped after midnight.

So, perhaps this is what happened. Perhaps I was picking up on something from these guys and my mind interpreted it and represented it in the visualization I saw. There remains that throat chakra - I got the feeling that "I" was being sucked out, it was pretty distinct. Could he have somehow been "feeding" on me?

But, why the throat? Communication. Words.

Nothing comes to mind except another "throat-related" story. While in therapy group myself: one time, were doing some psychodrama and at one point, one of my fellow group members pointed out to me that there were red hand prints around my throat as if someone had tried to choke me and left the red imprints on my neck. All the rest of the members then looked and said yes, they saw it too. Someone gave me a mirror and I saw what they were talking about. At the time, I had been working on my issues with my stepmother and a few group members thought maybe she had at one time tried to choke me. It did not resonate for me, though. And, I just remembered...I went through a period of getting anxiety attacks (no longer, though) and when I had one, I got a "choking" sensation.

A curious note: my stepmother and that psychopath had some qualities in common - both very controlling and manipulative. Both used "psychological chess" type manipulation. Someday soon, I will be writing all this up on my blog under "My Story", so I don't want to get windy here...

Communication. Words. I have been told that I was good at "teaching" as when tutoring new trainees at a job I once had. I have been told by my ex-husband and a long time friend that they don't like to argue with me because they can't win (I am an Aries). I was called a "chatter-box" as a child. That is all I can think of relating to words and communication.

I will have to think more on these clues...thank you Ruth for asking the questions that I should have asked myself and did not think to.

Starsailer, how interesting that he instinctively recoiled! Knowledge protects! And apparently speaking that knowledge can be useful.

Thank you for the encouragement. I have read the Wave series once, but it is so dense and some of the ideas are so new to me and more technical than I have a background for; that I will have to read them again and probably again before I begin to understand it. I am letting that digest while I read "The Secret History of the World" that I just bought. Then, I will return to the Wave and start again. In fact, it is the reading of that and all the other articles that motivated me to register on the forum. I felt like there are a lot of similar minds here even if coming from different backgrounds and paths...we seem to have in common those things I value most - a desire to find out the truth, a desire to grow and use our minds, and a desire to cooperate with each other. My kind of people even if we differ or disagree on details (with the aforementioned attitudes, we stand a chance of working out the details).
 
FireShadow

Laura was kind enough to repost our article here:
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/149690-The-Lures-of-the-Online-Predator-How-They-Do-It

Pathological predators use these techniques online AND off (not hard to extrapolate) Pass it on so everyone's educated!
 
Hello FireShadow,

I had a similar experience once.
It was in the beginnings of my relationship with my partner. At that time he had a problem with alcohol.
We had an argument. Out of an impulse I changed my sight to some sort of peripheral view. I saw his physical silhouette and it consisted of nothing but a dark mass and his 'face' also dark and evil-looking and somehow looking like an alien. However, there was no -as you've experienced- little bit of light in the middle of it, it was purely dark, but not consuming me in any way either, at least I didn't feel anything like it.
Apart from that I've never seen it again. If I happened to see something like an aura, it was only in parts or I saw the person's physical silhouette, but consisting of light, i.e. yellow-white.
As for my partner, the experience didn't occur again. I only noticed that many times when he was drunk and he came home, I started feeling cold all of the sudden and I was seeing dark shadows all around him. And this only occurred when he had drunken alcohol! So I figured that alcohol kind of invites negative beings (if you are asleep) who control you, or it's just some ugly I coming out.. who knows.
When he was drunk and had these shadows around him, while I started to feel really cold, he was always running some kind of program, usually he radiated rage, hate or contempt or all of them mixed up, either against the world or against me, because his program told him I'd somehow cheated on him (which wasn't true). However, there was no physical violence, 'only' psychological.
Bad times, back then. But until this day we've more or less constantly helped each other heal, grow, mature, develop. It was like when we first met we were both severely damaged. But we always knew (don't ask me how) that we'd be together in order to grow out of the chaos through combined effort. Well, we're still growing and of course far from perfection. Many steps have been taken, tho, and our 'knowledge' about being meant for each other is turning out truer the more time is passing. But it's been hard work so far and I'm sure the work never ends.

Forgive me for making it so long. I simply figured it'd best to provide some further background, because hearing about a relationship in which one of the partners is/was having programs like rage, hate, contempt and directing it towards the other, this is always an alarm signal.
So providing you with the further development should bring clarity to the situation.

I, too, have often wondered that it somehow should be possible to detect psychopaths via sensing or seeing. My personal observations have not provided me with anything definite. Only thing I'm currently experiencing is I seem to have in some cases detected if a person has something in them that goes beyond the persona, ie the masquerade of the various I's of the personality. And I was deeply shocked when I realized there was nothing behind, no core so to speak. A person consisting of nothing but his artificial personality! Deeply shocking that was.
How can I be sure I was/am able to detect it?
I cannot be sure. When this realization occurred it was always some sort of slap in the face, that is, no logical deduction through observation, but kind of suddenly sensing it, always elicited by something the person said.
Plus, it should be considered that how would it be possible to detect if there's a core in somebody or no core, if you yourself do not yet know yourself through long and hard self-observation, if you don't even know if you yourself have anything beyond your persona..? Thus, such an observation can only be recorded, but not yet relied upon, I guess. fwiw
 
I just remembered something else:
We had a new colleague at work and I helped her with sth in the office. And I noticed a really really bad smell about her. Not that she was dirty or not washing herself. I mean smelling as a sensing or feeling sth about somebody not having to do with the physical. Still it felt like a smell and I could barely endure it. All the while we were chatting and laughing in between my showing her how to do this and that.
So I decided to observe her behaviour. That's about a year ago now and she's been nice and friendly with everybody so far, so I wondered what that smell was about and whether it was just to be dismissed. Recently though, I was right next to her when she was talking about another colleague -behind his back- in a very condescending and ridiculing way, although she's always very friendly with him.
So maybe, just maybe this smell of hers (although I only smelt it about her the first few weeks after she arrived; never again) was sth like an indication of 'what she's about'??
And another experience:
There was a time when my partner experienced a great inner change. It was so massive that I could feel it instantly, even my cat suddenly loved him, while before she was always running away from him. Furthermore, he suddenly had a totally different smell ! I was so astounded! How can a person suddenly smell so different and so much more lovely? i thought.
Then, another time I was in line: I was experiencing a great inner change, not long ago, and my partner said to me that I smelled differently! He could not really define it, but insisted on the change.
(btw, this change in me came about through certain realizations and puzzle pieces falling into place, and it even showed in my behaviour and how to go about in life.. how to objectively classify this change I don't know).

So the point is this: Although I haven't encountered psychopaths in my life or I haven't spotted them, could it not be that things like seeing, sensing, and even smelling psychopaths is possible? If we knew how to train such a skill it would give us another and even more immediate method to spot them, apart from observing over a long time span.
What do you think? Has anybody else similar or more far-reaching experience in this?
 
The oddest experience that I've had in a long time was seeing a person not looking or acting like a normal person. This was about four months ago.

It was a Sunday and my family and I went out to a restaurant to eat. We had just gotten seated and our children arranged when I heard this snarling sound behind me. It sounded like one of those pug dogs that make breathing sounds when they inhale and exhale out their squishy little noses. So I turned to look at what was making that odd sound, and it was an older lady. At first I almost reacted like she might need help, she looked as if she was having some sort of fit. She was contorting her arms and face and walking very slowly towards me. (She was the waitress coming to take our drink order). For about five seconds I watched her making eye contact with me, doing this strange act, snorting, baring her teeth, taking small steps but lifted her legs way too high, pulling her arms close to her chest and then jerking them back away, never taking her eyes from my eyes however.

I turned away, just in case she had some physical or mental disorder and I was being rude by staring at her with a confused and shocked look on my face. I turned back again because the breathing snarling had vanished and suddenly she was an average lady standing there (having finally made it to the table) asking us what everyone wanted to drink.

I asked my husband if anything seemed odd about our waitress and he didn't seem to have seen what I had seen. I grilled him a little saying "you really didn't see our waitress having that fit just now?" He said he only saw her walk up to the table, nothing odd about it. He finally asked "why," and I told him I though she might be having an epileptic seizure or something. He stated that he would have noticed, and other people would have noticed if that were the case.

I really would have just thought I was imagining this entire event had I not heard the sounds before I turned to look at what was making them. Two senses witnessing something odd is harder for me to write off than had I only seen this lady acting strange. I watched her closely the entire meal and didn't see her do the strange act again.

I've seen really weird things before in my life, but this one really ranks up there!



FireShadow said:
Twice in my life, I have had an unusual experience.

The first time, I was speaking with a man I was dating at the time, and suddenly I was not seeing his physical form. The best I can describe is that I saw an energy form that was a swirling mass of darkness with a small "version of his physical form" with just a little bit of light, in the middle of the writhing mass. I felt a sucking sensation in my throat as if I were being sucked out of my body through my throat. The only way I could disconnect, was to turn my head away so that our eyes were no longer locked.

The second time a similar thing happened was when I was a counselor and was leading a group. One of the group members was talking and I was looking at him...when suddenly I saw the same writhing mass of dark energy surrounding a small lighted version of the guy. Has anyone else ever experienced this? Does anyone know what this was about?

My best guess was that these two people were consumed by evil. I mistakenly thought I could help the first one and spent 3 years in a relationship that I should have stayed away from. On the other hand, I learned a lot about psychopaths...and this one even told me of how he had studied methods to control other people's minds...
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Essence - your experience has taught you to pay attention to something, which is great. But psychopaths? The vast majority fly under the radar. In fact, some believe they put out "senses" that ATTRACT people to them. Like a venus fly trap.

If ONLY there was a sure-fire way to know. Unfortunately, experience with one is the only tool that's proved valid so far.
 
Thanks everyone for the feedback, the stories, and other comments.

When I originally posted this topic, I was not really focused on "psychopaths" but on the phenomenon. I was kind of hoping to find a label for it like "energy form". Having a label makes it easier to talk about it. I really don't think it was "auras" in the traditional or commonly described sense. As I have thought of everyone's input, I have come to a tentative conclusion that what I "saw" was a metaphorical representation of something I was sensing. Kind of like how our dreams give us symbolic images...

As to whether or not this meant I was specifically viewing "psychopaths", I cannot say. If it is so, I certainly would not depend on it to be consistent or dependable. I have never "seen" that phenomenon except for those two and I am quite sure that I have encountered other psychopaths than those two.

Really, the only reason I mentioned "psychopaths" was because of that first guy. I am about 95% sure he was a psychopath. I was embarrassed to admit that I actually spent 3 years with the guy. My comment that at least I learned a lot about "psychopaths" was an effort to gain something from that experience. Later, when I have a chance to write more, I will post that story under "Psychopaths at Home, at work, and in the Garden".
 
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