Helicobacter Pylori

[Keit]

Hey all.

Does anyone familiar with some alternative treatment for Helicobacter Pylori beside antibiotics? I would gladly get rid myself from this “bug” but hesitate to kill healthy cells in the process. :)

 

[Ruth]

Do you have stomach ulcers?

Apparently 2/3 of the worlds population is infected with this bug, and it is estimated that most are asymptomatic (70%).

Info from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicobacter_pylori

The standard first-line therapy is a one week triple therapy. The Sydney gastroenterolgist Thomas Borody invented the first triple therapy in 1987.[19] Today, the standard triple therapy is amoxicillin, clarithromycin and a proton pump inhibitor such as omeprazole.[20] Variations of the triple therapy have been developed over the years, such as using a different proton pump inhibitor, or using metronidazole instead of amoxicillin in those allergic to penicillin.[21] Such a therapy has revolutionised the treatment of peptic ulcers and has made a cure to the disease possible, where previously symptom control using antacids, H2-antagonists or proton pump inhibitors alone was the only option.[22][23]

If you're one of the many who are infected, but asymptomatic, you might like to try probiotics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotics

Any small cell organism can become a problem, if given the right environment to multiply without limit. So can ordinary cells, if their DNA gets 'messed up'.

 

[Miss Isness]

Probiotics would be a good idea, and to kill the bacteria you could try raw, crushed garlic or allicin supplements, or oregano oil.

http://www.drugs.com/npp/oregano.html

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/159/20/2484-a

 

[Keit]

Do you have stomach ulcers?

Don't think so. Not yet anyway, but have it in the family.

Apparently 2/3 of the worlds population is infected with this bug, and it is estimated that most are asymptomatic (70%).

Yes, it is one of the most common stomach "bugs".

If you're one of the many who are infected, but asymptomatic, you might like to try probiotics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotics

Thanks for the advice, but I take yogurt every morning, so I probably get enough Probiotics :)
Generaly I have an acidic stomach (I am B and unfortunately can't completely avoid eating spicy/peppered food or tomatoes), and it gets much worse when I am stressed and/or smoke more then usual. So the solution is probably not to be stressed, which is kind of utopian condition for me ;)

Any small cell organism can become a problem, if given the right environment to multiply without limit. So can ordinary cells, if their DNA gets 'messed up'.

Apparently only specific set of 3 antibiotics has a chance of eliminating Helicobacter. It is 3 weeks treatment and has sometimes rather unpleasant side effects like skin problems for example. I tried before and it was a mess. But I probably will have to deal with it eventualy, so I thought that maybe there is some "natural"/alternative solution I can try before poisoning myself.

 

[Keit]

Probiotics would be a good idea, and to kill the bacteria you could try raw, crushed garlic or allicin supplements, or oregano oil.

http://www.drugs.com/npp/oregano.html

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/159/20/2484-a

Oregano and gurlic? I think I am going to love this treatment ;) Thanks for the suggestion, I'll definitely check it out.

 

[stardust]

Keit, you can try also "Iresine Diffusa". This plant have a good action against HP.
My compagnon have a duodenal ulcer and the treatment with Iresine Diffusa was quite efficient.

+ Essentials oil (with phenols): Origanum compactum, Thymus vulgaris (thymol), Melaleuca alternifolia, Cinnamomum zeylanicum , Eugenia caryophyllata in particular inhibate the progression of HP.

My 2 cents :)

 

[CarpeDiem]

My dad had gastrite, if that is your case too?, he was preparing fermented oats (like 3-4 tablespoons per 1L for 3 days to ferment + honey), drink liquid and add new oats to sediment after filtration to make the next batch, it worked like that. He was also eating lots of oatmeals, every morning.

Here are anti-gastrite herbal recipes in russian
Hereare more recipes together with special gymnastics!
Bismuth (colloid salts) therapy in russian
Keit reads russian, but if somebody else is interested in these recipes, please let it know, i'll translate

And this one should be a beast:
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[Keit]

Thanks you all for your help. Now I have plenty of things to experiment with ;)

Maybe I do have gastritis or genetic tendency to have it, though never (yet) was diagnosed as such. Sometimes I can eat spicy food or tomatoes without a problem, and sometimes, especially if it comes with stress - irritation is much more serious and stays for a relatively long time. I guess I've awakened the beast :D
According to my knowledge, doctors tend to blame Helicobacter for those symptoms and advice to get rid of it before thinking about other possible diseases. It is still quite common, mostly dormant.

 

[JGeropoulas]

I took a number of pharmaceutical antibiotics for a skin infection. One cost $3,800/month and it didn't even cure the infection (but having the insurance company foot that bill did give a boost, after all those years of premiums I'd paid in ;) )

I eventually found 3 natural remedies with convincing data supporting their ability to kill a wide range of micro-organisms of all types: Colloidal silver, grapefruit seed extract (GSE) and garlic.

The first one I tried was GSE. The history of it is that some astute botanist noticed that bacteria was able to decompose all other organic matter in his mulch pile except the seeds from grapefruit.

I found concentrated drops ("Citricidal") in my local health food store. I used the maximum recommended dose (20 drops in fruit juice, 3 times/day). It really seemed effective but I was eager to find "the best", so I then tried silver and the garlic. I eventually decided to take GSE daily for general prevention.

Next I tried colloidal silver.

My research lead to independent lab studies of the best colloidal silver product based upon smallness in silver particle and density of solution. The products offered by this company got the best scores: http://colloidsforlife.com/

NOTE: Such companies also often sell colloidal gold, which the C's have warned AGAINST USING. (As I recall the discussion, though initially, it may deliver the benefits promised, colloidal gold eventually, permanently damages intuitive/psychic capacities.)

Taking a tablespoon several times per day of a tasteless water solution of silver particles, definitely had a noticeable effect. It almost immediately cleared up a sinus infection I hadn't realized I had until they drained, and drained. The mild taste of tarnished silver was noticeable when I blew my nose (not unpleasant, but confirming I'd been taking more than tap water). I would have continued with this, but I then found info on garlic.

Several years earlier, I'd heard of studies presented in which a new garlic product had killed the bacteria I had. Recently, I found that product had become available. The company has a patented process for preserving the short-lived, healing power found only in freshly-crushed garlic cloves. Here are relevant excerpts from the complete article found here: http://www.allimax.us/Allicin.pdf

ALLIMAX® has demonstrated significant antibacterial, antifungal, larvicidal and antiviral properties. The material has also shown an ability to reduce cholesterol and blood pressure as well as increasing CD4-T cell count significantly.

5.1 Antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral and larvicidal properties

Allicin, one of the active principles of freshly crushed garlic homogenates, has a variety of antimicrobial activities. Allicin in its pure form was found to exhibit
i) antibacterial activity against a wide range of Gram-negative and Gram-positive bacteria, including multidrug-resistant enterotoxicogenic strains of Escherichia coli
ii) antifungal activity, particularly against Candida albicans
iii) antiparasitic activity, including some major human intestinal protozoan parasites such as Enamoeba hisolytica and Giardia lamblia
iv) antiviral activity

The main antimicrobial effect of allicin is due to its chemical reaction with thiol groups of various enzymes, e.g. alcohol dehydrogenase, thioredoxin reductase, and RNA polymerase, which can affect essential metabolism of cysteine proteinase activity involved in the virulence of E. histolytica.

Garlic cloves are odour-free until crushed. Cross-section studies have indicated that the substrate alliin and the enzyme alliinase are located in different compartments [2, 6]. This unique organization suggests that it is designed as a potential defense mechanism against microbial pathogens of the soil. Invasion of the cloves by fungi and other soil pathogens begins by destroying the membrane, which encloses the compartments that contain the enzyme and the substrate. This causes the interaction between alliin and alliinase that rapidly produces allicin and which in turn inactivates the invader. The reactive allicin molecules produced have a very short half-life, as they react with many of the surrounding proteins, including the alliinase enzyme, and making it into a quasi-suicidal enzyme. This very efficient organization ensures that the clove defense mechanism is only activated in a very small location and for a short period of time, whereas the rest of the alliin and allinase remain preserved in their respective compartments and are available for interaction in case of subsequent microbial attacks. Moreover, since massive generation of allicin could also be toxic for the plant tissues and enzymes, its very limited production and short-lived reactivity, which is confined to the area where the microbial attack takes place, minimizes any potential self-damage to the plant.

2. Antibacterial activity of allicin

The antibacterial properties of crushed garlic have been known for a long time. (see table 1). Various garlic preparations have been shown to exhibit a wide spectrum of antibacterial activity against Gram-negative and Gram-positive bacteria including species of Escherichia, Salmonella, Staphylococcus, Streptococcus, Klebsiella, Proteus, Bacillus, and Closidium. Even acid-fast bacteria such as Mycobacterium tuberculosis are sensitive to garlic [10].

Garlic extracts are also effective against Helicobacter pylori, the cause of gastric ulcers [Celiini L, Di Campli B., Masulli M., Di Bartolomeo S., Aliocati N., Inhibition of Helicobacter pylori by garlic extract (Allium sativum), FEMS Immenol. Med. Micrbiol 13 (1996) 273-277]

Garlic extracts can also prevent the formation of Staphylococcus enterotoxins A, B, and C1 and also thermonuclease [12]. On the other hand, it seems that garlic is not effective against toxin formation of Clostridium botulinum[13].

Cavallito and Bailey [4] were the first to demonstrate that the antibacterial action of garlic is mainly due to allicin [3]. The sensitivity of various bacterial and clinical isolates to pure preparations of allicin [14] is very significant. As shown in table I Mirelman et al., unpublished results) the antibacterial effect of allicin is of a broad spectrum. In most cases the 50% lethal dose concentrations were somewhat higher than those required for some of the newer antibiotics.

Interestingly, various bacterial strains resistant to antibiotics such as methicillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus as well as other multidrug-resistant enterotoxicogenic strains of Escherichia coli, Enterococcus, Shigella dysenteriae, S. flexneni, and S. sonnei cells were all found to be sensitive to allicin. Allicin also had an in vivo antibacterial activity against S. flexneri Y when tested in the rabbit model of experimental shigellosis [15].

On the other hand, other bacterial strains such as the mucoid strains of Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Streptococcus β hemolyticus and Enterococcus faecium were found to be resistant to the action of allicin. The reasons for this resistance are unclear. It is assumed that hydrophilic capsular or mucoid layers prevent the penetration of the allicin into the bacteria, but this has to be studied more in depth.

I've had several phone conversations with the President of Allimax Nutraceuticals US, Mr. James Walton (Chicago, Illinois, office phone (312) 421-6132). He was very generous with his time on the phone and seemed genuinely enthused about their patented product and new research underway (e.g. for Lyme's Disease). He explained that they have two lines of garlic products: One is for maintenance and prevention (AlliMax) and the other is for treatment of existing condition (AlliUltra, the 11th product listed on this page: http://www.allimax.us/products.php )

Good luck!

 

[Laura]

Geeze, CarpeDiem, did you have to show us that creepy critter? I'm off my feed for a week now!

As for cures: surefire, guaranteed to work: Raw cabbage juice.

Yup, just take a nice big cabbage and chop it up and run it through the juicer and drink 1/2 cup three times a day. It's really AWFUL tasting and smells disgusting, but it'll get rid of that critter fast.

 

[anart]

Geeze, CarpeDiem, did you have to show us that creepy critter? I'm off my feed for a week now!

LOL - I had the same reaction - covered that part of the screen with my hand - I know there are creepier looking ones inside and on me, but that doesn't mean I have to see the blacks of their eyes - ick. :o

 

[CarpeDiem]

I never thought that i would have enough stamina and will to go fasting, and simply bypass a fridge when i'm hungry. It was when i saw images of fauna that i might be co-habiting with, gave me the will to start fasting. And 10 days passed like one breath of fresh air, i didn't feel any hunger. I'm sorry if image is disturbing, but i had helped me to overcome fear not to have enough will e to go for a fast.

 

[dj]

A few years ago I read about a study on probiotics in yogurt - the conclusion being that there weren't enough living cells to take hold and get healthy bacteria growing. -- This was in the US, on commercially produced yogurt and may not be true for other countries, and probably is not true for home-made cultured yogurts.

There are some new yogurts, supposedly with enhanced levels of probiotics, but I wouldn't trust commercially produced yogurt to do any real good.
Fortunately, there are acidophillus tablets that are cheap, effective and taste good, so I don't have to rely on eating milk-based yogurt.

Raw cabbage juice? sounds kinda awful, but healthy. I wonder if you could cut it with some fresh carrot juice or something to improve the flavor without inhibiting it's beneficial properties?

 

[OzRich]

As for cures: surefire, guaranteed to work: Raw cabbage juice.

I second that. It will work because of high content of hydrogen peroxide in fresh cabbage.
Cabbage was known for its healing properties in ancient Greek and Rome.

From: here

The ancient Greeks were also familiar with the cabbage, and in Greek mythology, the cabbage is supposed to have come into existence, spring out from the perspiration of Zeus, the chief deity in the Greek pantheon. Breast milk production was sought to be increased by giving cabbage to expectant mothers in the traditional medical Greek rituals, cabbage was believed to induce increase in lactation. In the following centuries, the ancient Romans made an antidote from the common cabbage, the Romans used such antidotes to ward off the toxic effects of alcohol in the body, cabbage was believed to help negate and counter intoxication from alcohol use and the Romans also believed the cabbage actually prevented or reduced the impact of a hangover following a bout of heavy drinking. The ancient also made use of the leaves of cabbages as poultices to cleanse the infected wounds on the body. Poultices of the cabbage are traditionally made for cleansing wounds and are still used today in this role, to prepare a poultice cut out the stiff midrib from a cabbage leaf and then iron it out, once this has been done, the hot leaf can be laid directly on the affected area or wound and left uncovered.

Also from "OZONE A New Medical Drug" by Velio Bocci - MD, Specialist in Respiratory Diseases and Haematology and Emeritus Professor of Physiology at the University of Siena, Italy

Hp is known to be sensitive to ozone (Baker et al., 2002) and to the generated ROS (O2, OH, H2O2, NO and HOCL) and therefore, in case of antibiotic resistant bacteria, one can envisage the use of ozone along the line of previous experiments performed at the Cuban Centre of ozonotherapy on Cryptosporidiosis and Giardiasis. However, in order to create a hostile environment to Hp, we must be concerned with safety because the gastric mucosa contains normally a protective mucous layer that may be discontinous in pathologocal states and allow an oxidative insult to the mucosa (Das et al., 1997). It may suffice to ingest on empty stomach in the morning, 200-300 ml of freshly ozonated water (final ozone contrentration should not exceed 10 mcg/ml) one hour before breakfast. The treatment can continue for four weeks before repeating the tests (Hahn et al., 2000) for evaluating the possible eradication of the infection.

I have experimented with hydrogen peroxide, with myself and few of my friends as "quinea pigs", quite a bit. And it worked wonders.
I've also made ozonated olive oil (friend of mine removed four Basal Cell Carcinoma spots with it).
If I had Helicobacter Pylori, I surely would go for H2O2, but if you don't have ozonator or food grade H2O2 - go for cabbage, it will work.

 

[jake109]

I have a duodenal ulcer and I am only 22, soon to be 23. I have had it off an on for about 2 years. Taking western medicine "protonix" to ease symtoms. Also more cabbage does help. I eat my local / nature / raw honey from my personal beehive in oatmeal with cinnamon everyday for breakfast is another way to ease my symptoms. Hope that I can get off the western medicine after my 3 months of "healing time" . Also quit smoking and drinking alcohol which has helped tremendously. I take over the counter "Tums" to ease acid symptoms if I go into a stressful situation such as rush hour traffic. If anyone has cured there ulcer please pm me, any other help would be great. Thanks