Help for my sister

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mgb

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My sister is currently in a hospital in Turkey, and has tested positive for Covid. The have placed her in a Covid hospital and she is not doing well. She was having a bad fever, headaches, and nausea. She sent me the protocol they have her on, but I am not familiar with most of the drugs they have her on. Was wondering if anyone could offer some feedback that I can pass on to her. I tried talking to her before the trip (I had a bad feeling) and gave her some Ivermectin and Zythromax, but she did not take them on the trip...:-(

She said she had to beg just to get some IV fluids and oxygen. Managed to get that plus some vitamin C(3000mg), D(3000iu), and Zinc(15mg).
This is the protocol they have her on:

Favipiravir 1600mg 1/day
Favipiravir 600mg 1/day
Flagyl 500mg 3/day
Oxapar 6000 Anti-Xa IU/0.6ml 1
Parokan 10mg/ml Flakon 100ml 1/day
Pulcet 40mg IV Flakon 1/day
Redox 1000mg 3/day


She said they have a covid doctor that prescribed all this and he won't be back for a day or two. They won't make any changes until he comes back. I would really appreciate some feedback on these medications, so I can have her discuss with the doctor when he gets back.
I told her I think she should stop the antiviral (Favipiravir) and try to get more vitamin C, and maybe some steroids like budesonide. But I don't really know much about the other drugs, or what she could ask for instead. They refuse to use Ivermectin, HCQ, and Zythromax.

I know I don't participate in the forum as much as I should, but I really appreciate everyone and the wealth of information collected. Thanks
 
Hi mgb, I'm sorry to hear your sister isn't doing well, is there any way you can visit her, or are you in another country?

The Math+ was created by the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance for hospitalized covid patients. Since it includes ivermectin I don't know if the doctor will take any notice, but here it is in Turkish and English just in case.

There's also this article from Mercola that goes into when to use specific treatments, alternative protocols, and additional supplements to take.

Hopefully more medically minded folks can comment on the drugs she has been prescribed.
 
mgb said:
Favipiravir 1600mg 1/day
Favipiravir 600mg 1/day
Flagyl 500mg 3/day
Oxapar 6000 Anti-Xa IU/0.6ml 1
Parokan 10mg/ml Flakon 100ml 1/day
Pulcet 40mg IV Flakon 1/day
Redox 1000mg 3/day
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Redox is vitamin C (ascorbic acid), she could take double the amount if the hospital is willing. She can say that it makes her feel better.

Pulcet is paracetamol. If she has fever >39 C, that will make her feel less miserable. Ideally she should have n-acetycysteine (ie Fluimucil 600mg) to replace the lost glutathione though.

Oxapar is low molecular heparin, pretty good to have in this context.

Flagyl is metronidazol, the other option after ivermectin, azythromycin or doxy. It's badly tolerated, but it is an excellent antiviral.

The antivirals, favipiravir, should be okay as long as she has the vitamin C and the flagyl and oxapar.

It's not such a bad anti-COVID protocol. It's the turkish version, better than what they offer in most mainstream hospitals nowadays. She should be okay. The horrible headaches and fever is part of the disease. The nausea could be compounded by the flagyl, but then, it's your "ivermectin or azythromycin or doxy or flagyl" option. I would keep it for as long as she can tolerate it.
 
I'm sorry to hear about your sister's condition too mgb. From what you're saying, she fell ill while visiting Turkey and you are based in another country. She hasn't taken ivermectin with her and doctors at the hospital she's at won't prescribe it to her. Is that correct?

Is there any way alternative medication could be administered - or passed on to her? In my home country hospital visits aren't allowed but patients can receive parcels with daily necessities, such as toiletries, snacks, clothes, and even food (which basically is a means of keeping the hospital expenses down). If Turkey allows this too, extra vitamin C could be passed on to her that way. But if this isn't an option the situation is quite tricky. Doctors who are treating her would need to be persuaded to change the treatment - and in most cases that's very difficult to achieve. Negotiating with them would require a great deal of diplomacy and patience.

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I just saw Gaby's post. It seems quite reassuring to me and it looks like it's likely your sister will feel better soon. Fingers crossed she does! Being in hospital with covid has quite a lot of psychological impact given the media fear campaign. I can only imagine how scared she must be - especially if she's in a foreign country. So maybe you could try to be as supportive as you can and pass on to her that the protocol is actually not too bad and it's very likely she'll soon start improving?

Gaby said:
It's not such a bad anti-COVID protocol. It's the turkish version, better than what they offer in most mainstream hospitals nowadays. She should be okay. The horrible headaches and fever is part of the disease. The nausea could be compounded by the flagyl, but then, it's your "ivermectin or azythromycin or doxy or flagyl" option. I would keep it for as long as she can tolerate it.
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As for nausea, I'd like to add that a few sources mentioned here on the forum said that in something around 40% of patients covid was preceded or accompanied by digestive issues. I have a reason to suspect that me and my family had covid a year ago (positive tests accompanied by closely matching symptoms) and some of us, including me, had nausea and other digestive problems at the time. So although it's unpleasant, it seems to be a common symptom.
 
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Thanks everyone for your feedback and concern. I apologize for not giving more context, I was in a rush and just worried sick. We both live in the US. She decided to go on a vacation with one of our cousins to Egypt and Turkey. She loves to travel, and thought this may be her last opportunity before the jabs become mandatory.

Thanks Gaby for your input, I was really concerned, since I did not know much about the medications they have her on, and thought they may be more toxic and could hurt her instead of helping.

I just spoke to her a little while ago, and she is feeling a little better. She really believes she just had food poisoning and not covid, but since she tested positive, they put her in a covid hospital and she can't leave until she tests negative. She had to beg the hospital to get some oxygen and IV fluids, and said that she felt better with that.

Luckily, my cousin had brought some ivermectin, and gave her the last 12mg he had. The hospital allowed him to bring her suitcase yesterday, but now he isn't allowed in anymore and has to quarantine himself and get tested in a few days. She did bring some NAC, vitamin C, and some probiotics and started taking some now that she has her things. I had also given her a nasal spray with some diluted iodine solution and she started using that also. She said she just forgot to bring the ivermecting and zythromax :headbash:

Thanks again for all your help, will update later when I hear from her again
 
Hello again, thankfully my sister is out of the hospital now and is doing somewhat better.

I have a question for Gaby or anyone with a medical know how. They told my sister she has to keep taking the Oxapar (a strong anticoagulant) for 10 days. Gave her a vial and she is supposed to inject herself. Every time she gets a dose, she says she gets really bad whole body aches and pain.

I looked into the drug, and am not even sure why they put her on it. Seems like a dangerous drug, that requires hospital monitoring. She was wondering if she could stop it and take aspirin instead. At first I thought that may work, but looking into the drug, it says it is dangerous to stop it, and that you can have bad reactions 3-5 days after stopping. They did not give her much direction, I wonder if she should try to taper it down slowly and maybe add a bit of aspirin as she does it. She is traveling back on Friday, so I was also wondering if that may be dangerous. I really don't know much about that drug, and would really appreciate your help.

Thank you so much for all your help
 
Okapar is enoxaparin which in this context has an anti-inflammatory and anti-coagulant effect. The pains from the injections could be due to general inflammation, where any pinching (even of water) can send pains throughout the body. If she can't tolerate the pinching, she could stop and use aspirin instead. It's a pity, because it's really a good one to have.
 
Thank you very much Gaby, I really appreciate your help. I think with all that is going on, I've become a little paranoid about medicine. I will let my sister know.

Can't wait for her to be back home. We certainly live in crazy times :nuts:
 
I'm glad to hear your sister has improved enough to be able to travel. Once she's back, she can get on more supplements to help her get her strength back. Certainly more Vit C. than she's probably able to get now. What a great sister you are to pack her an emergency kit. She may not have had everything she could have used, but she had enough!
 
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