Help Understanding Gurdjieff Concept

[Menna]

I am currently reading Life is real only then when I am. I enjoy this book as he gives a great introspective view of his life and is very honest with himself.

He states:

For he is God and therefore I also have within myself all the possibilities and impossibilities that he has.
The difference between him and myself must lie only in scale.
For he is God of all the presences in the universe.
It follows that I also have to be God of some kind of presence on my scale.
He is God of all the world and also of my outer world.
I am God also athough only of my inner world.


This part I get it makes sense EE, diet, knowledge all helps us to become Gods of our inner world and then that will help us interact objectively with the outer world but he goes on to say...

There arises now a question like this:

What is there contained in my general presence which if I should remove it from myself would always in my various general states be reminding me of itself? Thinking and thinking I came to the conclusion that if I should intentionally stop utilizing the exceptional power in my possession which has been developed by me consciously in my common life with people then there must be forced out of me such a reminding source. Namely the power based upon strength in the field of "hambledzio" or as it would be called by others the power of telepathy and hypnotism. Thanks manly to this my inherency developed in me by myself I in the process of general life especially for the last two years had been spoiled and depraved to the core so that most likely this would remain for all my life. And so if consciously I would deprive myself of this grace of my inherency then undoubtedly always and in everything its absence would be felt. I take an oath to remember never to make use of this inherency of mine and thereby to deprive myself of satisfying most of my vices in the process of living together with others this beloved inherency will always be a reminder for me.


Does he mean to not give in to his inner urges? and he says most of his vices. What vices do you think he will allow himself to satisfy?

What power is he talking about that he developed in his common life with people? what is the reminding source? and when he says his inherency developed in him that he vows never to make use of what is this inherency he is referring to?

I feel that this part is important to comprehend.

 

[anart]

I feel that this part is important to comprehend.

It is. My understanding is that, basically, Gurdjieff had reached a point in his life where he realized that if he continued on like he was going that his life would be an endless recycling of the same, or similar, experiences that he'd already lived. He realized that unless he changed something major, nothing would change for him so he decided to stop using his ability to hypnotize others to get what he needs/wants since he had always done this to meet his needs and quite successfully. From what I understand, the term 'hypnotizing' is rather limited here because he had developed several types of 'psychic' powers that allowed him to affect those around him or even at a distance. In giving this up, he had a means to always consciously remember himself because he had chosen to consciously suffer by giving up what was not only second nature to him, but what had provided for him, with some ease, everything he'd needed in life up to that point.

Does he mean to not give in to his inner urges? and he says most of his vices. What vices do you think he will allow himself to satisfy?

Most of his vices were previously satisfied by using his skill at 'hypnotizing' others, so he is merely saying that not using these powers would not allow him to satisfy most of his vices.

What power is he talking about that he developed in his common life with people?

The 'hypnotizing' power, the power to affect them in such a way that he got what he needed/wanted.

what is the reminding source?

The absence of the use of his inherent power would be a constant reminder.

and when he says his inherency developed in him that he vows never to make use of what is this inherency he is referring to?

Again, that psychic power to affect others according to his whim and, thus, get what he wanted or needed.

He realized, due to healing once again from a major illness that if he continued as he had been:

Thanks manly to this my inherency developed in me by myself I in the process of general life especially for the last two years had been spoiled and depraved to the core so that most likely this would remain for all my life.

Using his power in a depraved manner, then his life would unfold before him how it always had, so he merely healed again just to repeat the same mistakes over and over, which for him was a horrible thought. Thus, the need for change.

At least this is my understanding.

 

[Mr. Premise]

Yes, my understanding is that he had developed some psychic powers that he then renounced. Including, if I remember right, the ability to kill a yak at a distance.

 

[Menna]

I see. Gracias

In relating this to myself after reading in Sheep's Clothing I came to the realization that I manipulate my parents in subtle ways into getting what I want and also try and control my outer world thinking about what is best for me at the time instead of letting it come to me and living in it letting it unfold as it should. I feel that I need to do away with this manipulation pattern and controlling pattern similar to how G needs to do away with his hypnotizing/manipulating/controlling others. Will then have a different result.

It is interesting to see when one does away with STS patterns they find themselves in a happier dynamic.

I was listening to the Bringers of the dawn youtube video and in it the Pleiadians said negative energy STS is limiting because of its vibrational frequencies... Makes me want to be as STO as possible

It is interesting that he spent almost all of his life learning and developing and using these powers and in the end he realized that to do and be what he ultimately wanted to break the cylce that kept him in place to not be limited he would have to do away with them

 

[Foxx]

This was also covered in a SOTT podcast sometime a while ago (I'm not sure which one) with some interesting commentary by Laura, if you're interested Menna.

 

[Menna]

Yes I am... Its easier for me to listen to a podcast and retain information then read. Do you have a link? or what should I type into SOTT to search for it?

 

[Alana]

This was also covered in a SOTT podcast sometime a while ago (I'm not sure which one) with some interesting commentary by Laura, if you're interested Menna.

Yes I am... Its easier for me to listen to a podcast and retain information then read. Do you have a link? or what should I type into SOTT to search for it?

I think that you are talking about the two podcasts, In Search of the Miraculous and In Search of the Miraculous Part 2.

If you scroll a bit down this link, you will see them:

http://www.sott.net/podcasts/listall?page=2

 

[Menna]

Yes thank you will review

I understand now... If you do away with what you have used to navigate through life to get what you want then you will always remember that you are no longer using it "something is missing" and in that you will remember yourself. I think the big thing holding people back or at least myself is fear that doing away with my old ways might not provide me with better... As far as developing the hindsight I feel that naturally I am progressing in the right direction learning from past circumstances to the point where if I come to a similar circumstance I respond or act differently but to be able to do it in the moment to bring the hindsight in before you make that mistake while the circumstances are unfolding (an example of what he means by DOing) is I think more powerful then putting an elephant to sleep or killing a yack and maybe this is why he felt the way he felt.

From the first podcast - I believe his second aim was to teach people to develop an ability to discern information to be able to think for themselves to be able to think critically not be so easily influenced.

The one thing I don't understand after listening to the first podcast is - how do you increase the visibility of cosmic centers many times through the use of a medium and what does he mean "medium" and what is an example of a "cosmic center" is it the intellectual, emotional and mechanical centers