Hey, teachers, leave them kids alone!
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Therefore shall we deduce that students drinking alcohol is a problem far more serious than the Irak war ?mark said:
But in Irak there are not only US soldiers dying. Maybe that for this media US soldiers are the only one deserving a human being status in this conflict.
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Lucy
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I share your frustration and outrage. And it seems to me your short list of ridiculous tests may not be ridiculous at all. Except for the dirty socks test (and who knows, I could be wrong about that one ;)) the others are probably already in place, only in forms that are difficult to recognize. After all, my kids were told I was a drug addict because I smoke. And how did they know I smoke? A friendly little routine test requiring kids to fill in the little circles with their number two pencils, of course. There are many kinds of tests! And no one should assume they know what tests their kids are taking.mark said:
It's hard to let go of the fantasy that schools actually strive to live up to some sort of mandate of true education, which is obviously not true since so many kids are borderline illiterate.
In reality, it would seem schools have taken over a function not unlike that of Hitler Youth programs in Nazi Germany. Kids in those groups were being directed and programmed towards being of 'use' to the Nazis ultimate goals. They used the 'bread and circuses' method, with just enough circus acts to distract from all the moldy bread.
Kids are being targeted for full assimilation and the methods are fairly comprehensive.
Today we can see how schools are designed to get kids used to being automatons. How else will they be able to put up with the workplace they are ultimately destined for?
Some districts are now testing for mental health (criteria???) with a follow-up treatment programs that force parents to comply to whatever 'treatment' is prescribed...or deal with social services (who have the power to remove your kids from your custody). Thus more and more kids are on prescribed drugs.
Many kids are given tests to determine how 'happy' their homes are. Again, criteria??? This gives schools an idea of who to target...and counter method programs are in place for those kids who inadvertantly let it be known their homes aren't in compliance with the programming.
Teachers are being allowed, encouraged, and even required, to assess which children are ADHD, and schools then follow-up with treatment. More drugs. More suppression of those kids who may be naturally immune to some of the programming. Better get them in line!
Poor kids who's parents rely on social services have no choice but to get their kids vaccinated, that is, if they want to retain the health care services they are being 'given'.
It makes me sick to think of how far-reaching and dangerous this situation has become.
The other day a friend told me of his outrage that a coworker had been forced to take a drug test because he'd tripped over an electical cord in the office they both work in. In a departmental meeting my friend complained about this, and found himself being confronted with complete puzzlement on the faces of those around him. The thing is, he's quite a bit older than most of them and hasn't had the same programming, and also, he's been with the same company for many years, so hasn't had to go through the 'routine' drug testing now required when applying for a job. To his younger coworkers drug testing is normal, expected, and no big deal, while to him it's an invasion of privacy, and ridiculously unnecessary most of the time. I explained that if he'd been raising kids and dealing with schools for the last 15 years he wouldn't have found this situation so surprising.
End rant.
This is largely what I thought when I read in the article that student who fail the test will receive 'counseling'. My guess is counseling means 'medicating'. Perhaps these students who experiment with a beer will fail the 'happiness indicators' and will be subject to the schools federally funded drugging program.Lucy said:
The survey you mentioned Lucy, may be similar to the TeenScreen program which is, "youth complete a 10-minute self-administered questionnaire that screens for social phobia, panic disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, major depression, alcohol and drug abuse, and suicidality."
These kinds of surveys seem designed by those psychological deviants who cannot understand a normal response of depression, anger, sadness, etc. to their controlling and destructive influences.
Here's a coupe of articles on such programs.
An article about TeenScreen: TeenScreen: Angel of Mercy or Pill Pusher
This one deals largely with who is funding these programs (big pharma w/ ties to the Bush office):
Bush's Mental Illness Screening Squad On the Move
And here's another article from a while back that looks more at the school end of the matter (and mentions the info about 'happiness indicators'): Mental Health Screening in Schools Signals the End of Parental Rights
MetaDjinn
Jedi
I try not to preach, but feel it is important to communicate the fact that, depending on where you live, there ARE choices. I have 4 children and they do not attend school. This is completely legal where I live and I do not have to submit anything to the state or submit my children to anything from the state. Most people in my immediate environment are unaware that this is an option. It really doesn't matter though: when they learn that it is an option, they reply "Yeah, but who would want to spend the entire day, every day, with their kids anyway???". Ummmm... me and my wife do - we not only love them but we enjoy living and learning with them together - all the time - their OUR KIDS!!!
Cyre2067
The Living Force
Unfortunately most parent's don't have the financial capabilities to homeschool their kids. One or both parents work. Some parents don't have the mental aptitude to teach their kids either, and again that presents a problem.
Overall there's a severe lack of objective information in our environment, and that is the route cause of all this craziness. The primary purpose of schools aren't to teach, but to insure graduates can follow directions.
Further, as all PA residents close to the delaware know, NJ is equivalent to nazi germany in terms of its legislation, so this new low doesn't surprise me.
Overall there's a severe lack of objective information in our environment, and that is the route cause of all this craziness. The primary purpose of schools aren't to teach, but to insure graduates can follow directions.
Further, as all PA residents close to the delaware know, NJ is equivalent to nazi germany in terms of its legislation, so this new low doesn't surprise me.
MetaDjinn
Jedi
We do not teach our kids. They have brains and interests and ideas and pursuits all on there own. It's amazing what one can learn when not being forced or threatened or punished.Cyre2067 said:
As far as NJ, it is one of the most lenient states in terms of homeschooling/unschooling laws. We have thought about moving, but stay due to that one fact.
vinny
The Living Force
I agree with Cyre, in the current ponerised/collapsing society there are many situations where it can be very difficult to homeschool children, especially for single parents, many of whom need to juggle 2 or 3 jobs in order to pay the rent - and you can't just leave a young child unattended for 12 hours a day. it nearly always comes down to money.MetaDjinn said:
MetaDjinn, you are sooo lucky to be able to do so. I think it's an excellent reason for you to stay in NJ, and I applaud the fact that you made this decision.
in very many cases, that choice is simply not available.
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Lucy
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Thanks! -- for posting the links, Shane.
Kids have a natural curiosity and desire to learn, unless it's been programmed out of them, and they learn in all kinds of ways. Just interacting with the family and 'in life' provides lots of learning opportunities. Perhaps other oldsters like me remember how much we learned just by playing, doing chores and otherwise hanging out with our friends and families? That was before parents became inculcated with the idea they had to schedule every moment of their children's time with extracurricular activities...becoming taxi drivers shuttling kids between sports practice and special lessons. If a child wants to participate in sports, Scouting or lessons in karate/art/music/etc., fine, but how many kids nowadays even know what its like to choose for themselves, or have the time to do whatever they want, to just BE? How much TIME do parents actually spend with their kids?
So many parents have for the most part forgotten, or never learned, how to just BE with their kids. And I'm still working on (struggling with) this myself.
Four years ago I came across the concept of "unschooling" -- aka: self-directed learning, which has worked well for my daughter, who knows how to THINK, is missing vaccinations, is not on drugs of any sort, doesn't drink, and has a very wide range of interests, which includes writing fiction, playing violin and drawing cartoons...often political in nature.
I'm here to facilitate her education, not be her "teacher" in the traditional school-sense. Sometimes she wants me heavily involved, sometimes not. Sometimes she will ask me to actually sit with her and help her learn something, such as math, but more often she just plain talks to me and we discuss what we both have learned about whatever she's exploring at the moment. In order to keep up with her I often find myself reading/skimming her latest stack of books. She is famous at our local library for the amount of books she checks out.
We've had our ups and downs, and this situation hasn't worked out "perfectly." And, over time I've come to realize I was most often the fly in the ointment...I've had to readjust how I think about education, and parenting, in order to be a better facilitator for her.
This has been a good learning experience for BOTH of us.
I am not so arrogant as to think this will work for everyone, as we each have our own particular situations we must take into consideration...and all kids are different. If my daughter had been younger when I discovered unschooling I don't know that I'd have tried it (she was getting ready to enter 8th grade at the time). Also, I think it would have been impossible without her own interest in the concept being high...along with her having become dissatisfied with the system she was in at that time. However, I do believe parents can find ways to mitigate the damage being done by schools, and learning about unschooling may be helpful in that regard.
I highly recommend this book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1862041040/homeschoolzone/
The Teenage Liberation Handbook: How to Quit School and Get a Real Life and Education
by Grace Llewellyn
"HOW STRANGE AND self-defeating that a supposedly free country should train its young for life in totalitarianism..."
"This is a very dangerous book. It contradicts all the conventional wisdom about dropouts and the importance of a formal education. It is funny and inspiring. Do not, under any circumstances, share this book with a bright frustrated high-schooler being ground into mind fudge by the school system. This writer cannot be responsible for the happiness and sense of personal responsibility that might result."
-- Bloomsbury Review
To learn more or find support just do a simple web search using the keyword unschooling.
Exactly! Or studying something just to pass a test.MetaDjinn said:
Kids have a natural curiosity and desire to learn, unless it's been programmed out of them, and they learn in all kinds of ways. Just interacting with the family and 'in life' provides lots of learning opportunities. Perhaps other oldsters like me remember how much we learned just by playing, doing chores and otherwise hanging out with our friends and families? That was before parents became inculcated with the idea they had to schedule every moment of their children's time with extracurricular activities...becoming taxi drivers shuttling kids between sports practice and special lessons. If a child wants to participate in sports, Scouting or lessons in karate/art/music/etc., fine, but how many kids nowadays even know what its like to choose for themselves, or have the time to do whatever they want, to just BE? How much TIME do parents actually spend with their kids?
So many parents have for the most part forgotten, or never learned, how to just BE with their kids. And I'm still working on (struggling with) this myself.
Four years ago I came across the concept of "unschooling" -- aka: self-directed learning, which has worked well for my daughter, who knows how to THINK, is missing vaccinations, is not on drugs of any sort, doesn't drink, and has a very wide range of interests, which includes writing fiction, playing violin and drawing cartoons...often political in nature.
I'm here to facilitate her education, not be her "teacher" in the traditional school-sense. Sometimes she wants me heavily involved, sometimes not. Sometimes she will ask me to actually sit with her and help her learn something, such as math, but more often she just plain talks to me and we discuss what we both have learned about whatever she's exploring at the moment. In order to keep up with her I often find myself reading/skimming her latest stack of books. She is famous at our local library for the amount of books she checks out.
We've had our ups and downs, and this situation hasn't worked out "perfectly." And, over time I've come to realize I was most often the fly in the ointment...I've had to readjust how I think about education, and parenting, in order to be a better facilitator for her.
This has been a good learning experience for BOTH of us.
I am not so arrogant as to think this will work for everyone, as we each have our own particular situations we must take into consideration...and all kids are different. If my daughter had been younger when I discovered unschooling I don't know that I'd have tried it (she was getting ready to enter 8th grade at the time). Also, I think it would have been impossible without her own interest in the concept being high...along with her having become dissatisfied with the system she was in at that time. However, I do believe parents can find ways to mitigate the damage being done by schools, and learning about unschooling may be helpful in that regard.
I highly recommend this book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1862041040/homeschoolzone/
The Teenage Liberation Handbook: How to Quit School and Get a Real Life and Education
by Grace Llewellyn
"HOW STRANGE AND self-defeating that a supposedly free country should train its young for life in totalitarianism..."
"This is a very dangerous book. It contradicts all the conventional wisdom about dropouts and the importance of a formal education. It is funny and inspiring. Do not, under any circumstances, share this book with a bright frustrated high-schooler being ground into mind fudge by the school system. This writer cannot be responsible for the happiness and sense of personal responsibility that might result."
-- Bloomsbury Review
To learn more or find support just do a simple web search using the keyword unschooling.
One of my college professors (political science) always said that the public schools were there for social conditioning - not learning. Too bad he didn't realize that he too was conditioned, he was/is a firm believer in the "official" story of 9-11 events.Cyre2067 said:
Voluntarism
The Force is Strong With This One
Wow! More unschoolers here. Great :P
I´ve read "dumbing us down" (john taylor gatto) "the teenage liberation handbook: how to quit school and get a real life and education" (grace llewellyn) and many other books which were real eye-opener to me.
You know André or Arno Stern? Simply great :)
http://www.arnostern.com/en/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsI4E3cC_o0
http://www.andrestern.com/en/index.html
Here´s a good (and new) documentary about school:
Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVe5yVMIGqM
Maybe you know "let´s make money" or "we feed the world"? All three movies are from filmmaker "Erwin Wagenhofer".
Sir Ken Robinson: http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html
;D
I´ve read "dumbing us down" (john taylor gatto) "the teenage liberation handbook: how to quit school and get a real life and education" (grace llewellyn) and many other books which were real eye-opener to me.
You know André or Arno Stern? Simply great :)
http://www.arnostern.com/en/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsI4E3cC_o0
http://www.andrestern.com/en/index.html
Here´s a good (and new) documentary about school:
Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVe5yVMIGqM
Maybe you know "let´s make money" or "we feed the world"? All three movies are from filmmaker "Erwin Wagenhofer".
Sir Ken Robinson: http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html
;D
