Horses deaths and electricity

Keit

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Some time ago I've learned about horses' great sensitivity to electricity due to their physical make up, not to mention other sensitivities despite their massive bodies. And then I read about horses mysterious deaths in Queensland, Australia, and how various tests failed to find a probable cause. Then, the idea of those deaths having connection to an electrical phenomena crossed my mind, but since I lack knowledge in this area and because it was only one case, this was put aside.

Now, recently, there has been another group death of horses, this time in Tennessee, US. The cause is also unknown and undetermined. Also, apparently, there were similar deaths in the neighboring counties.

Another article on the case mentions the following interesting detail:

Chandler said there was no indication that the horses struggled or attempted to flee an assailant before death. No wounds or other injuries were found on the animals' carcasses.

"It's as though they just suddenly fell over dead," Chandler said. "One of the horses still had hay in its mouth."

While searching the net on the connection between horses and electricity, I found a forum thread that talks about horses' possible ability to sense electrical fields or avoiding them. I have no idea if those deaths have any connection to the electrical phenomena, and it's a mere speculation, but thought of putting it here in case others have additional ideas or professional opinions (Herr Eisenheim?).
 
your post reminds me of this story :
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although it's not about horses but cows and it's in french, if something is not clear with a translator, just ask

don't know if it's really relevant to your matter, I put it just in case...
(sorry I'm a too tired to really think about it)
 
Keit said:
I have no idea if those deaths have any connection to the electrical phenomena, and it's a mere speculation, but thought of putting it here in case others have additional ideas or professional opinions (Herr Eisenheim?).

I heard about horses being highly sensitive to electrical currents before, but I cant say I know much more then you about the subject. It is perhaps worth noting that its not just horses who are highly susceptible, so are the cows and any other large four legged animals.

Here is a good summary:

How shock injuries occur

Several factors determine the nature and extent of electrical injury in humans and horses. The type of current being used is the first important piece of information. High-voltage direct current (DC) injuries are not common in horses because there are few sources of this type of electricity in their environment.

Batteries and generators are the principal types of DC that a horse might encounter. This type of electrical contact results in a strong and extremely rapid muscle spasm, often throwing the victim forcefully away from the current and resulting in blunt-force injury. Occasionally, short-circuited batteries in trailers or some electric fences can produce this type of injury, but the shock causes the horse rapidly and forcefully to back away from the source, and the injury usually is not severe.

Alternating current (AC) is the standard type of electricity found in power cords, electrical plugs, and most standard wiring in houses and barns. AC is three times more dangerous than DC of the same strength or voltage because muscle contracture occurs when a person or animal contacts AC even at low levels. This contracture then preserves the contact between the victim and the current, which leads to a longer duration of contact and greater electrical injury.

Since horses commonly chew on wiring or step on electrical cords, this contracture makes them unable to release a wire from their teeth or to move off a "live" power cord.

The amount of electricity needed to produce muscle contracture in humans is low. An electrical source producing one to two mA (milliamperes) of electricity will cause a tingling sensation, but a 200-pound human physically cannot let go of a wire carrying nine mA. Since this mA threshold depends on the size of the victim, one would think that horses could tolerate more voltage, but other factors contribute to making them even more sensitive.

Resistance is the tendency of a material to resist the flow of electrical current. Higher resistance tends to slow the passage of electricity through the body and increases the chance that the electrical energy will be changed to thermal energy, which causes the tissue to heat up and become damaged. Tissues in the body that are good conductors of electricity and consequently lower in resistance--nerves and blood vessels--tend to be less affected by low-level electrical contact. Dry skin and muscles are moderately resistant; tendons, ligaments, and bones are the most resistant.

Horses proportionally have more of the types of tissues that resist electricity. Their heavy muscles, thick tendons and ligaments, and large, bony skeleton make them especially sensitive even to low levels of current. Another factor that determines the severity of an electrical injury is the duration of the shock or contact with the current. Because horses are composed of a majority of tissues that slow down or resist the passage of electricity, they tend to be vulnerable to injuries caused by longer duration of contact, as well. Higher resistance and longer duration of exposure combine to be severely detrimental to the horse.

Mary Ann Cooper, M.D., of the University of Illinois at Chicago-based Lightning Injury Research Program, described why four-legged animals such as horses and cows are much more sensitive to electricity than are two-legged animals.

"The most disastrous individual electrical injury occurs when the person or animal becomes part of the electrical arch, since the temperature along the arch in a lightning strike can reach 2,500¡," she wrote.

Because a horse's front feet are a relatively long distance from its back feet in terms of the travel of electrical current, the horse's body usually becomes part of the arch of the current's path during a shock or lightning strike. Horses walking in an area with stray electrical ground voltage or horses exposed to "step voltage" (current spreading rapidly through the ground) are especially sensitive. Electricity enters one part of the body and travels through the body to exit at another.

The longer the distance between parts of the body, the greater the arch and the higher the temperature in the tissues. This high temperature causes massive tissue destruction throughout the body. Most deaths caused by electricity in horses occur before this tissue destruction comes into play, however, since most deaths are caused by short-circuiting of the body's electrical systems such as the heart, the respiratory center, or the nervous system. Cardiac arrest, respiratory arrest, and nerve instability are the rapid consequences of substantial electrical injury in the horse.

Another reason horses are more likely than humans to be injured fatally from electrical shock is what happens following the incident. Humans are much more likely to receive quick medical attention, whereas horses often are out at pasture during a storm without many people observing them. Injuries in barns, such as chewing through cords or wires, often are unobserved.

Rapid attention and cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) often is successful in humans following electrical injury. This factor may be the most important reason why most horses struck by lightning die, while 70% of humans survive. CPR in the horse is difficult at best, and because many electrical injuries are unobserved, there is often no chance even to try.
 
Keit said:
Then, the idea of those deaths having connection to an electrical phenomena crossed my mind...

In the one article it says:

The horses were covered in ticks.

In norther Ontario I have heard of ticks killing Moose.

Of the other article Keit references (Sott), it doesn't discuss electricity potential at all, there is no reference whatsoever to weather, yet two cows next door died too. On that note however, that was really good information Herr Eisenheim and it is in the realm of possibilities that electrical conditions played a part in what Keit describes. Will be interesting to await autopsy results.

From what you quoted:

Because a horse's front feet are a relatively long distance from its back feet in terms of the travel of electrical current, the horse's body usually becomes part of the arch of the current's path during a shock or lightning strike. Horses walking in an area with stray electrical ground voltage or horses exposed to "step voltage" (current spreading rapidly through the ground) are especially sensitive. Electricity enters one part of the body and travels through the body to exit at another.

In an area of "step voltage" rippling underground like a pebble dropped in a pond carries the different potentials, also called 'Step Potential' or ERP/GRP (Earth/Ground Rise Potential), and being especially four legged with a long gate they have not much of a chance if that was the circumstance. For humans, they would need to shuffle (feet together) or hop if aware of the potential.

As for mA, a mere 15 mA I think, will start to damage organs. A single 60 watt light bulb carries, if remembered, about 50 mA, so one needs to be careful of AC. Like Faraday and his cage, one needs to be at the same electrical 'potential' without a separate path to ground, or as Mary Ann Cooper, M.D. said, "since most deaths are caused by short-circuiting of the body's electrical systems...", and with the wide apart legs of the hoses, they just cannot accomplish this to survive electrical shock of a high magnitude.

Very sad for the animals and owners.
 
This may not be relevant to the Tennessee horses' deaths but "accidental electrocution" is not infrequently listed the cause of death on insured horses who become more valuable to their owners dead than alive. In many of the cases it is hard to prove the horses were deliberately electrocuted because horses will chew on wires and anything else that attracts their attention when they are bored. It is common knowledge in the horse world that this is a type of fraud (murder!) that happens.
shellycheval
 
shellycheval said:
This may not be relevant to the Tennessee horses' deaths but "accidental electrocution" is not infrequently listed the cause of death on insured horses who become more valuable to their owners dead than alive. In many of the cases it is hard to prove the horses were deliberately electrocuted because horses will chew on wires and anything else that attracts their attention when they are bored. It is common knowledge in the horse world that this is a type of fraud (murder!) that happens.
shellycheval

I've had several horses and never had one chew on an electric wire that was "on". Neither did any of my friends' horses. Are you talking about the "show horse world"?
 
Yes, for the most part. Mostly race horses and high end show horses who are often insured over their market value. These horses are keep confined to box stalls for the majority of their lives (Imagine have to live in your bathroom almost 24/7) and regularly transported to new race and show facilities. They are often bored out of their minds and underfed roughage and will chew on anything they can find including electrical wires within reach. As they are regularly on different premises an owner can more easily claim they did not notice the "unsafe conditions" in the new stabling as opposed to claim their home barn was unsafe. Poison is also employed to kill unwanted, heavily insured horses, as are "natural causes" like over feeding starches to induce colic. etc. There is no end to the creative evil "people" will employ when there is money at stake.
shellycheval
 
shellycheval said:
Yes, for the most part. Mostly race horses and high end show horses who are often insured over their market value. These horses are keep confined to box stalls for the majority of their lives (Imagine have to live in your bathroom almost 24/7) and regularly transported to new race and show facilities. They are often bored out of their minds and underfed roughage and will chew on anything they can find including electrical wires within reach. As they are regularly on different premises an owner can more easily claim they did not notice the "unsafe conditions" in the new stabling as opposed to claim their home barn was unsafe. Poison is also employed to kill unwanted, heavily insured horses, as are "natural causes" like over feeding starches to induce colic. etc. There is no end to the creative evil "people" will employ when there is money at stake.
shellycheval

That's what I thought. I have seen some of the things show people do to their horses just to win a blue ribbon. And don't get me started on what the people at race tracks do to the horses (and racing dogs) there.

Keeping horses in stalls for 23 hours a day, or as you said, I would suppose most are never let out, would drive any horse insane. I just didn't realize it would throw off their senses enough for them to not realize an electric wire was hot. Gads, heartless people are despicable.
 
I just didn't realize it would throw off their senses enough for them to not realize an electric wire was hot.

I don't think it does for most horses, even those confined, but some horses will chew on anything. That is why many of the insurance claims for "accidental electrocution" are suspicious to people who know horses, but the difficulty of proving it wasn't accidental has made it an affective murder weapon for some greedy, consciousnessless owners.
shellycheval
 
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