How do Wanderers incarnate themselves into a 3D STS reality?

[electrosonic]

I've read a lot about the concept of STO Wanderers coming to earth, and incarnating here to assist in one way or another the souls which are already incarnated.
The two main proponents of this idea that I've read are the Ra material, and Dolores Cannons books.
I believe that even the C's haven't as yet refuted this concept.

My question is this though, how is the process of incarnating achieved?

The common belief seems to be that a 6th D STO being pops down for a lifetime at this critical point, to carry out a mission of sorts - gains no karma at all in the process, and at death flies off back to 6th D STO with a pat on the back for a mission well done.
But is it really that easy?

We've learned through the C's interactions, that STO always does things within the natural order.
Therefore, that would seem to me to mean that any 6th D STO consciousness that decided to come down to earth would firstly have to accept the STS orientation change. Then they'd have to insert themselves at the beginning of the incarnation cycle and work their way through it like everyone else.
If that's the case, it puts a whole different perspective on the undertaking that these consciousnesses are prepared to undergo. The sacrifice they are making - leaving 6Th D STO to cycle through an entire 3D STS incarnational period. That's immense dedication.

It also begs the question - whats the benefit? Surely they have to forget everything and start at the beginning of the class with the same information as all the other participants, because that's the natural law. Therefore they have as much chance of 'cycling out' as everyone else. And surely all 3D consciousness has risen to 6th D STO in the past, only to spiral back down and do it all again, over and over. Even the consciousness that now fills each OP once came from a higher density - reached the top and then decided to fall back down and rise up again. Everything is cycles within cycles within cycles.
For all we know, the consciousness that inhabits the spider that just ran across my carpet, once rose to the top density in STO, only to spiral back down and start again in 1D and do it all again.

When we consider these things, my next question would be - what's the difference between a Wanderer and any other consciousness currently on 3D STS earth, as all consciousness has been, and again will be at some point, 6th D STO?

 

[Kisito]

What I think is only my opinion. Must be developed that are 2 main karmas. The first is the most well known is the individual karma of the soul. When an individual ends his individual karma, his soul is freed. It may be called Angel. When the angels descend to incarnate on earth, they are Wanderers or guardian angels. They are embodied in the second karma. It is the common Karma mankind which is in genetic material. Any genetic material of man is STS. Also why ingrown angels which are Wanderers STS. Released their purity of soul gives them a discipline ready to face the events and actions. To face events and fears, one must have a high knowledge. This knowledge is often unconscious or intuitive order. For a liberated soul, easily releases the knowledge we call intuition or sixth sense.

 

[luc]

Hello electrosonic,

Here are some thoughts:

It also begs the question - whats the benefit? Surely they have to forget everything and start at the beginning of the class with the same information as all the other participants, because that's the natural law. Therefore they have as much chance of 'cycling out' as everyone else. And surely all 3D consciousness has risen to 6th D STO in the past, only to spiral back down and do it all again, over and over.

From what I understand, the C's said there exist two different "cylces": short wave cycles and long wave cycles. We here on earth find ourselves (at least partly) in the "shortwave cycle", which can speed up the development of consciousness considerably, while also bearing the risk of "falling". Here's the relevant transcript:

Q: (L) Does the interaction between the spirit/soul and the body physical produce some by-product that is desirable to other beings?
A: Well, all things have desirable consequences as well as undesirable consequences, but it must also be mentioned here that everything that exists in all realms of the universe can experience existence in one of only two ways. That would be defined as a long wave cycle and a short wave cycle. Going back to your previous question about why humans are "entrapped" in physical existence, which, of course, is voluntary and chosen, this was due to the desire to change from the long wave cycle experience of completely what you would call ethereal or spiritual existence, to the short wave cycle of what you call physical existence. The difference is that a long wave cycle involves only very gradual change in evolution in a cyclical manner. Whereas a short wave cycle involves a duality. And this is the case with souls in physical bodies as is experienced on this earth plane because the soul experiences an ethereal state for half the cycle and a physical state for the other half of the cycle. While these halves are not measured in time the way you measure time, the totality of experience is equal in each half. The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought about through nature through the natural bounds of the universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.
Q: (L) Does this interaction produce a by-product?
A: It produces equal by-products of a positive and negative nature.
Q: (L) And what are these by-products?
A: Which one first?
Q: (L) Positive.
A: Positive by-product is an increase in relative energy which speeds up the learning process of the soul and all of it's one-dimensional and two-dimensional interactive partners. In other words, flora and fauna, minerals, etc. All experience growth and movement towards reunion at a faster rate on the cycle through this short wave cycle physical/ethereal transfer. Of a negative nature, it also produces many negative experiences for these very same entities which otherwise would not exist because being of a first level and second level nature, flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane as opposed to a short wave cycle physical and ethereal, as they do now because of their interaction with the human species in its short wave ethereal/physical cycle.[/quot]

So I guess that may be part of the reason why a "higher being" would choose to "come to earth": More intense learning. Plus, I think STO beings don't really need any personal "benefit" - they just do the right thing because, well, it's the right thing...

As to your question

When we consider these things, my next question would be - what's the difference between a Wanderer and any other consciousness currently on 3D STS earth, as all consciousness has been, and again will be at some point, 6th D STO?

My view on this is that it's quite impossible to tell such a difference. For all we know, in our default "sleep state", we are all asleep, all OP's, all STS. And as such, I think we aren't headed to 6D STO, but more to a deep, deep fall. So when we look at it in a practical way, it doesn't really matter whether someone is an OP, a sleeping human being or a sleeping "wanderer". I think it may be more productive to ask: "How can we work on ourselves in order to become more aware, more able to DO, and thus avoid falling and evolve?" - Fwiw.

edit: spelling.

 

[electrosonic]

So I guess that may be part of the reason why a "higher being" would choose to "come to earth": More intense learning.
edit: spelling.

I'm not sure that's the case. What would a 6D entity need to learn from a 3D school ground - they graduated that class aeons ago?

I think its more a case of cycles = what comes around goes around. From short wave, to long wave, and then spirals back down to short wave again.

 

[Xico]

My view on this is that it's quite impossible to tell such a difference. For all we know, in our default "sleep state", we are all asleep, all OP's, all STS. And as such, I think we aren't headed to 6D STO, but more to a deep, deep fall. So when we look at it in a practical way, it doesn't really matter whether someone is an OP, a sleeping human being or a sleeping "wanderer". I think it may be more productive to ask: "How can we work on ourselves in order to become more aware, more able to DO, and thus avoid falling and evolve?" - Fwiw.

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Hello:

I'm also quoting the C's, that they have also said in order to become more aware one need to gather as much knowledge as possible, thus becoming more aware,, and hence the protection you will need to face any obstacle.

regards.

 

[luc]

I think its more a case of cycles = what comes around goes around. From short wave, to long wave, and then spirals back down to short wave again.

Maybe - so what about the other aspect that a higher being may voluntarily go "back" in order to possibly assist us here? Isn't that the ultimate sacrifice, risking to loose all you have achieved so far to help others, to be of service to others (STO)? I find this thought quite inspiring. And in a sense, this may reflect what you referred to as a "case of cycles": Once you truly live in a state of service-to-others, there may come a "time" where "both your only and your best option" (as the C's said somewhere), is to consciously decide to repeat the cycle in order to be of great help, even at the risk of "falling". Just some thoughts...

 

[DonnieG]

I believe that Wanderers come back in order to fulfill a specific mission myself, the need is there, and it falls to the Wanderer to make it happen. I seriously doubt they do it, "just because". There's an order to all things, and some wanderer wanting to vacation in the 3D doesn't seem to fit that order. If like The C's say is true, the cycle is like playing a DVD movie, once the movie is over it's starts back up again in another time frame. I believe that to be the case, as evidenced by de ja vu. I know I've had instances of not just feeling like I've been in a place, not just in another life, but that exact same moment in time, in another time frame that is. Which would fit into we are in the 3D and we don't leave until all lessons are learnt. I believe that's start to finish, not you live a few lifetimes and move up, although that too could be possible as well.

Anyhoo, that's just my guess.

 

[Laura]

I think it's kinda covered in a July 2002 session.

 

[DonnieG]

I'll have to look at that session again, so as to fresh my memory on it Ma'am, thanks for pointing it out for me.

 

[Pinkorchid]

Greetings electrosonic,

An interesting perspective and one worth considering.

My jumping into your pool of contemplation may or may not clarify the subject at hand, but rather throw some more questions to the mix or just become pool toys , that distract and entertain for a moment. :)

Diving in , here we go ( splash )

We've learned through the C's interactions, that STO always does things within the natural order.

The given being "All there is " is all there is , then there is nothing outside that is not all that is, therefor everything is in natural order, STS and STO , inclusive.

Therefore, that would seem to me to mean that any 6th D STO consciousness that decided to come down to earth would firstly have to accept the STS orientation change.

Is it known that the whole of the 6D consciousness "comes down to earth" for an incarnation ? (3D), or is it possible that only a component of that consciousness is manifest in 3D?

If this be the case , then the STS orientation my only pertain to the environment and not necessarily denote the souls vibrational orientation, although the environment is 3D STS and the majority of souls in this school are STS matriculating to either 4D STO , 4D STS or reengaging another cycle.

Perhaps these souls have the capacity to phase in and out of any particular environmental orientation ( Earth being the example for this case), meaning while in 3D , they can access their 6D over-soul and gain wisdom and guidance , inner knowing which assists them to avoid personal karma.

This would also preclude them from having to engage in a full in-carnational cycle , as the journey through the cycle is for the purpose of learning lessons , in which to build frequency.
Having already achieved 6D frequency it may not be required for them to address the lessons again.

If that's the case, it puts a whole different perspective on the undertaking that these consciousnesses are prepared to undergo. The sacrifice they are making - leaving 6Th D STO to cycle through an entire 3D STS in-carnational period. That's immense dedication.

While it may seem to us from a 3D STS environment, to be a sacrifice from within our hierarchical paradigm , this I intuit is not the case. For the 6D STO's it is all an expression of Love of other , not bounded by the limitation of loss of status or position in ranking but a service more orientated to the whole rather than the individual soul. 6D see's all as self or parts there of, so bringing part of their frequency inline with 3D is in fact the whole helping the whole, STS inclusive.

If we think of a river or a stream which flows into an ocean . The stream on it's journey may form eddies , where it will swirl around in place from time to time. Does the water in those eddies become separate from the stream? Does the water in those eddies need to return to the beginning of the stream to be an eddy? , or does the water in the eddy swirl for a moment in time then join the stream and flow to the ocean and evaporate to once again fall on the mountains to become the stream.

Now my floaty has just spun a leak and I'm loosing air fast , so time to get out of the pool.

Thanks for the inspiration :D

Pinkorchid

 

[Haiku]

The STO wanderer is here to provide balance in the STO/STS environment. This is their primary commitment in this STS environment. An effect that many are helping with now, including you who just read this.

It is one of many lives, and I like to think that if I learn/teach one thing in a lifetime, it is worth it (I always hope that everyone does more). And your lives are many, like a 100+ book encyclopedia set. With each book having 1000+ pages. And each page is a different life. And one day you will be able to pick what page you want to live, and you do not have to pick pages in order.

A Wanderer chooses to be part of the balance in this time, on this page of your book.

So, here is a wanderer choosing this page to participate in. Haiku ...

 

[luc]

I think it's kinda covered in a July 2002 session.

Thank you for the hint!

The sessions can be found here:

Session 13 July 2002 - http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=21637.msg227019#msg227019
Session 31 July 2002 - http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=21623.msg226805#msg226805

The session from 13 July 2002 is mostly about organic portals. Here's what I found in the Session 31 July 2002 (bold what stood out for me):

Q: (Brainwave) So all his theory about this Light Warrior thing may have some kind of credibility?

A: In a sense, but not precisely in the way thought. Groups of people represent energy portals in cosmic rather than global terms.

Q: (S) Does that mean that we are seeing him as a force that was a representative...

A: Light warriors are "connectors" on a cosmic level.

Q: (L) Connectors between what and what?

A: Transducers of energy of transition rather like capacitors!

Q: (L) What's a capacitor? (M) It's an electrical way of collecting and dumping a flowing charge; a way of accumulating charge and releasing it later in a sudden burst of energy. You can send enormously strong pulses from capacitors by putting in small amounts of energy over a long period of time. They used to be called accumulators. (Perceval) What transition?

A: Transition of your sector of space/time.

Q: (Brainwave) So are they accumulating energies and is it at a particular point that we may need help to transition they...(S) Give us the energy necessary, is that what you mean?

A: Partly. It will depend on how much awareness you manage to generate to direct the energy.

Q: (Brainwave) It's like he was right. (A) So for these capacitors (Perceval) Partly. (L) Zulus, Light Warriors. Is this a genetic function?

A: More or less.

Q: (Brainwave) What do we want to say on this? (L) You know they throw you something you don't expect and what do you do? You have all your little preconceived notions and you have it all figured out and you think you're going to get a little confirmation and then they toss you something that says uh-uh. (S) Well this is a whole new concept...well not really. (Brainwave) Well they are more in tune with the Earth so, and they say it's the awareness they manage to generate. So if we don't generate this awareness they're going to transduce a different kind of energy? (L) They'll tranduce into STS I guess. The energy is free it's just...(S) It just depends on our awareness. (Brainwave) Yeah because STS needs light also. (S) So should we ask does it...(Brainwave) Depend on how much awareness we generate?

A: They can be "food for the moon" or food for the soul.

Q: (Brainwave) Well, God they've been food for the Moon for a long time. (L) So has everybody else. (S) It's the same for all of us though, so is there anything special about them or different than anybody else?

A: Absolutely.

Q: (Perceval) So their genetics...it's a function of genetics... (A) I would ask if there is any other say nation or tribe of similar make-up? (S) Yeah, maybe there's a tribe in every section of the world, or something.

A: There is a "spectrum" as Mouravieff suggests, however the Zulu compose a sort of "drone" tone.

Q: (S) So is this something they do deliberately or is it something unconscious?

A: It is a function of the 4th density energies they "represent."

Q: (A) Okay, so it is a drone tone. That is the main tone which is foundational to the harmonics. You build the music on this infrastructure, so to say. (L) There's the drone, there's the bass, there's the melody. (Brainwave) Listen to his voice, what does his voice sound like to you? I don't know...(Perceval) Yeah, there is a resonance. (Brainwave) Yeah, in his voice. (Perceval) They said a spectrum as in Mouravieff, the spectrum of the genetics able to carry light or to act as a light for transition. I'm not really sure on how that...(L) I think they're talking about a soul tone. (Brainwave) That singing that they do, that special kind of singing is it symbolic of that drone tone.

A: Indeed, as is all of reality symbolic of things at other levels and "depths" of being.

Q: (Brainwave) Okay, think of the Lion King and that singing and what it induces and when you hear that humming. (A) I would ask if there is anything we should pay specific attention to important with these guys, if there is some caution?

A: Be sincere and direct and see what transpires.

Q: (S) I guess that would mean that you would say that you're a little nervous about the whole thing and you're not sure what's up. (L) Yeah.

A: Also tell them that "yes, the ancestors are also the future selves." Those are specific terms that carry meaning unfamiliar to your cultural context.

Q: (Perceval) He mentioned the ancestors...(Brainwave) Well ancestors are a big part of their culture. (S) Right, so you're a...bridge between two cultures I guess. (L) What is the static around and where does it come from in Zulu's environment?

A: There are certain people around him who interfere with cultic thought patternings. He will know who.

Q: (S) So he's not totally aware but once you point it out to him he will know. So he's being deliberately distracted from what he's supposed to do. He's got an insider agent. (S) It could be his daughter. If we ask the C's about it maybe it'll know because she was so off putting with every key word that we know to look for agents. (L) Well I don't think it's our business, that would be prying into someone's private business...(group discussion) (L) Alright, what about G and P?

A: Here we find a more subtle and complex situation. The watch word is "caution."

Q: (Perceval) They did seem subtle and complex, intellectually... (Brainwave) Oh yeah, good cop, bad cop. (A) Okay, I would say what kind of caution, caution directed especially at what? (Brainwave) The monetary issue?

A: Do not relinquish any significant control. End subject.

Q: (Brainwave) You know he was talking about helping you publish and she might know someone who might know someone. (S) Don't like; don't do like you did with VB - gave him control of publishing the book. Don't do anything similar. And the "end subject" is like this is all you want to know right now. (Brainwave) Yeah, it might be dangerous to know more. (A) Well let's ask, is P an agent?

{Planchette spirals momentarily}

A: Since you asked...(group laughter) let your imagination be your guide.

Q: (S) Talk about an open ended answer. They've expanded on 'open', so... (group laughter) (Brainwave) Well we thought she was the handler.

A: Try "fondler."

Q: (Brainwave) Well you know like they said the Soviets would hire females to seduce men to get info. (L) Is there any kind of insight included in this situation that involves pre-cognition or time travel awareness?

A: See previous answers.

Q: (Brainwave) Our imagination. I think they're gently urging us to leave it alone. (S) And when they talk about it's much more subtle and complex... (L) Actually the funny thing is the term "fondler" has, in my mind, a very specific meaning and I don't know if that was targeted at my thought about the term fondler. Is that 'fondler' - in, no that's just too silly. (Perceval) What is your perception of the term ? (L) Well actually it's funny because I asked y'all the other day if anybody ever read the book Marco Polo, it's like a semi-fictional account of Marco Polo's time in China. Did any of you read it? (nobody in the group had read it) And it's funny because the term fondler is out of that book.

{Tape stops for group discussion. Laura explains the 'fondler' from the book: the term being applied to the torture master of the court of the Khan.}

Q: (L) Why did nearly all of us, if not all of us, get no ...? Maybe I shouldn't even ask any more. It's like maybe I don't want to know. (Perceval) What were you going to ask? (L) Why none of us got any definitive sensation one way or another from either of them about anything, they were like neutral.

A: By design.

Q: (S) By design is like by design of somebody organizing something but it's by design because these are created, designed individuals?

A: End subject.

 

[shijing]

Note that wanderers aren't necessarily 6D in origin -- they can be 4D or 5D as well. See the CassWiki entry for more on this:

http://thecasswiki.net/index.php?title=Wanderer

 

[electrosonic]

If this be the case , then the STS orientation my only pertain to the environment and not necessarily denote the souls vibrational orientation, although the environment is 3D STS and the majority of souls in this school are STS matriculating to either 4D STO , 4D STS or reengaging another cycle.

Perhaps these souls have the capacity to phase in and out of any particular environmental orientation ( Earth being the example for this case), meaning while in 3D , they can access their 6D over-soul and gain wisdom and guidance , inner knowing which assists them to avoid personal karma.

This would also preclude them from having to engage in a full in-carnational cycle , as the journey through the cycle is for the purpose of learning lessons , in which to build frequency.
Having already achieved 6D frequency it may not be required for them to address the lessons again.

Thanks for the comments Pinkorchid.

It would be nice to think that it's possible for an STO orientated soul being able to incarnate within an STS environment, and still stay STO - not sure how that works though. I'll put my thinking cap on ...

 

[luke wilson]

My 2 cents...

The difference between a wanderer and any other consciousness marauding in 3D is that wanderer, even though they have forgotten, still vibrate at a different frequency i.e. they see and sense things slightly differently.

How? Well, because they aren't from round these parts... You can't entirely shake off where it is you are from...

Why do they incarnate in 3D?

As per channelled material, because they are system busters.. Because it's what they do... Because it's their job.... Because it's their calling.

Why does a fireman jump into a burning building? Because it's his job... Why did they choose that job? Find a fireman and ask them that question.

How do they incarnate down here?

Well... purely my guess...

So, they choose to assign to themselves a task... or someone assigns it to them... Who knows... Anyways, task assigned... next comes (purely a guess here) some sort of training regarding where it is they are to go... then next comes some sort of memory wipe type thing, so you know, they don't go around acting 6D in a 3D environment and thus causing havoc all over the place.... then next comes a little wanderer's soul incarnating in a little human body somewhere on Planet Earth... Voila! Incarnation achieved.

I'm off the belief that a wanderer isn't alone in their lives and they come fully geared up (barring the memory issue)... like a little marine in a battlefield... But then, you do hear stories of those that commit suicide. Sad and tragic, don't know why but yeah I can imagine STS will be driving hard on the good old kill yourself programme which in the case of a wanderer, as they are well, somewhat foreign, if things go really south, they can well, kill themselves for not feeling like they belong.

At least that is what I think from reading the Ra.

The question about memory and wanderer has always been bugging me... First of all, what sort of memory are we talking about? You can imagine a higher density being has a whole load of memory... Is a wanderer to remember the whole thing or just a snippet? Then, how is this remembering to occur? How really? But then, someone mentioned to me that memory is phase dependent and not really an act of will... However, how these works in practice is beyond my speculations.

And mission... what is a mission? again, something that has bothered me.. I think of mission as something akin from a hollywood movie... But if the game is all about frequencies and types of energies and the battle is being fought within us, then I don't think a wanderer's mission is something that really fits our 3D model of thinking about missions (at least my way of thinking about it). Not sure really.

And lastly, if wanderers can be from anywhere and everywhere, then there can be different types and they may not all be the same in their profile. Who knows?

My 2 cents right there...

PS: I hope you know all the pitfall regarding this subject e.g. external saviours and self-importance....