How do YOU know?

[Al Today]

I'm getting wierded out here.
I've been around, so I think.
I've posted on the old forum.
I deeply THANK Laura for her words.
No matter what is said Laura.
I appreciate what you've documented.
"Time" will tell, yes?
Weird things are afoot I say.
Seems I post to this forum and I get no response.
Is it that I:
1) Am ignored because I do not provide references?
2) Y'all think I'm a crackpot out here in CornVille? Harmless.?.?.?
3) Y'all can't comment on my points because my concepts are so simple?
Am I a doddering old fool?
Or it the truth is forthcoming?
Why do I expect to get hammered?
I almost expect to get hammered.
I've seen others put into the corner.
Why not me?
Mystery becomes common sense once discovered.
Check out the persecution of saying the Sun does not revolve around the Earth.
The Earth revolves around the Sun.
How many have died over that one?
Two(2) hundred years of suppression and persecution, I might say.
And by whom? WHAT.!.!.!
I keep it simple without lengthy liturgies based on the highbrow literature.
Please don't take offense.
People gotta read that schtuff.
YOU really should...
All should definitely become familiar with those esoteric writings.
I do agree.
Takes time to digest information, and see what happens.
You MUST observe and watch for confirmation or dismissal.
And then YOU fit the puzzle pieces fit together.
That's the devil in the details.
Look inside and I think you'll see the common sense of this all.
Do not look outside for help.
YOU are responsible for YOURSELF.
Ain't nobody gonna do this for you.
Think of your free will.
YOU.
YOUR CHOICE.
Gotta start somewhere.
Start with YOU.
Listen to your dreams.
That was my awakening.
My dreams.
I just had no concept of what was presented.
The more book learnt, the more understanding that comes.
I cannot express the EUREKA felt once an old dream becomes understood.
I haveta say that again..
I cannot express the EUREKA felt once an old dream becomes understood.
Do YOUR research.!.!.!
DO NOT BELIEVE JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE TOLD YOU SO.!.!.!
Find out for YOURSELF.
NOBODY WILL DO THIS FOR YOU.
Common sense to one may be a mystery to another.
Network.
KISS. Keep It Simply Stupid.
And it is.
Let the people hear.
But, do the research.
I did. I am...
Till I die.
Oh, by the way, I WAS dead once.
Clinically.
Over thirty(30) years ago.
And I still work on understanding that event.!.!.!
I screamed out, "I'M NOT DONE"
And woke up.
Why?
Cause I want outta here.
I don't wanna do this any more.
My beginning at awakening.
But moving on...
So let's see if I can get a discussion here.
What brings you here?
What triggered your awakening?
What proof do you have?
HOW DO YOU KNOW?

 

[highmystica]

I don't think you are so much being ignored as your posts are difficult to respond too being that they are prose. The few posts I've seen of yours I found amusing and certainly lifted the mood without detracting from what was being said - Indeed, the material here is of such a serious nature I sometimes feel I'm just gonna freak out - so the occasional light post helps me keep it into perspective. Also when I read prose or poetry that asked a lot of questions I don't feel like I'm supposed to directly answer the author about them, rather ask the questions of myself - now if you posted some of this things in the creative acts section then people would know they were meant to respond - but then it would be more in the form of a critique. But, you I don't think should feel like the forum is ignoring you simply because they don't respond.

I find a lot of valid points in post above and some good advice too. As far as being a "doddering old fool" I think I was born as such and lost ground. I can't really comment on seeing you as a crackpot - you ask that as if I might think of it as a bad thing - but I'm a weirdo so hey. I always felt humans should relish their human flaws rather than fight them - you can't really heal a personal issue if you fight against that problem - it just ends up a fight against oneself, but embracing it one can grow beyond it. Besides, who are the only people that don't think they have any personallity flaws? I used to be afraid of such people - now I know they are psychopaths and I was right to be afraid of them.

As far as once being clinically dead ... well now that is a most interesting experience and I can't say anything about it - except to say what about all those people who are walking around thinking they are alive but in truth are even more dead than a corpse ...

What triggered my awaking - I really couldn't say - to me it is a process and I'm not fully awake. I know in my heart I'm supposed to be, as do lots of people I'm sure, and like them without having the direction booklet I feel like my process of awakening is a bit like re-inventing the wheel, one cube at a time!

How do I know? ... I don't, and that's what all the trouble is about!

by and by - I grew up with bill the cat - yay for that.

 

[anart]

Why do I expect to get hammered?
I almost expect to get hammered.
I've seen others put into the corner.
Why not me?
Mystery becomes common sense once discovered.

You, once again, answered your own question. Perhaps you never 'get hammered' because your discovered mystery IS common sense.

Often, when one writes down what others are thinking - especially in this forum - one is greeted with silence. I know that is weird, but it seems that if you write things down, in the way you do, that explain what others understand about a topic, we pretty much let it stand as it stands.

Of all your posts, it seems (and I could be wrong here) that this one is asking for interaction; for commentary. Usually, you post a comment or an understanding in your unique way and nothing more pops up.

What triggered my awakening? For me, it was a slow, plodding, pain drenched search that finally brought me, in what seemed an accidental way, to a body of information that made every scar I could count on my body and my mind not only make sense, but somehow seem worthwhile.

It would be cool if it were one event, one trigger - but, nope, not for me.

By the way - try not to let the predator's thoughts make you doubt what you know - it seems (and, again, I could be wrong) but it seems like you've stepped out a bit more today than you usually do, and once you had stepped out, you started to doubt what you'd said and whether anyone not only understood it, but even read it. Next time that happens; next time those doubts spring up, try to realize that it is very likely your predator pushing you to question why you even tried. At least, that's what tends to happen with me.

 

[Al Today]

highmystica and anart:
Thank you for your responses.
Anart, I guess you are correct.
I was reaching out for sanity.
I have come across so... much information on the web.
I must say much has entertainment value, but lots of imagination.
I have nobody I can sit and discuss these things with.
Face to face that is.
So...
Every now and then again I reach out to see if I am really thinking "off the wall'.
About my style of writing?
I guess you can call me a one liner kinda guy.
I'm not that articulate and get right to my point.
I've been conditioned to be short by my occupation.
Being a computer geek I was a consultant for a couple decades and have seen others with the gift of gab.
Man, some people can spew forth big words and not really know how to DO anything.
I've been in interviews, listening, and I finally say: "SHOW ME".
That might of been mean of me, but I just get tired of all the BS.
Again, thank you.
I do feel that no reponse is sometimes a good validation.
But...
If y'all see me losing my grip on sanity, PLEASE let me know?

 

[Thomas Alan]

And woke up.
Why?
Cause I want outta here.
I don't wanna do this any more.
My beginning at awakening.

Hey, I hear you. I don't want to sleep any more. Waking is hard sometimes frightening. I want to wake up because I CAN.

If y'all see me losing my grip on sanity, PLEASE let me know?

Sleeping through life (or many lives?) is insanity. Waking can seem like insanity at first. But what do we have to loose?

What triggered my awaking - I really couldn't say - to me it is a process and I'm not fully awake. I know in my heart I'm supposed to be, as do lots of people I'm sure, and like them without having the direction booklet I feel like my process of awakening is a bit like re-inventing the wheel, one cube at a time!

I have probably been trying to awaken from the beginning of this life. But I didn't allow myselfl to believe what I saw.

The process seems to be to define clearly what we want. Then keep refining our efforts with all our energy. It is a wonderful, fullfilling process. And never, ever give up.

Reading the posts in this forum helps because we can learn from the experience of others. I don't have to search every path.

 

[Justin]

Often, when one writes down what others are thinking - especially in this forum - one is greeted with silence. I know that is weird, but it seems that if you write things down, in the way you do, that explain what others understand about a topic, we pretty much let it stand as it stands.

This is good to hear. It is something I wondered about. It is often true in the way I post (or often don't post) replies to forum topics. If my only reply would be "I agree" or "that makes sense" with nothing further to add, then I don't post anything. This post, for example, is one of those "I agree" posts up until this point, but I'm going to add something by attempting to answer Al's questions in the opening post :)

What triggered my awakening? Well, I don't know how awake I am, but I know now that I want to be fully awake! What triggered my desire to be awake? What triggered my realization that I was not fully awake?

It was a process of learning that started with depression. A strong desire, which grew over time, to find information that rationally explained our reality. I reached a point where I could no longer accept my old world view as good enough. There were too many gaps and contradictions and unexplained areas in what I thought I knew. And since I was depressed, it was not daunting that I might find answers that were hard to accept. I just wanted to know more truth. After a period of searching and researching, I found Laura's books and SoTT and the Cass site. Then, much more reading and researching. There was no particular moment I can identify as a significant awakening moment, it was more like many little awakenings.

What brings me here? Intelligent and rational discussion of issues I think are very important. The opportunity to learn.

How do I know? I don't know. I still question everything, more so now than before I started searching for real truth.

 

[Joe]

on the subject of being "hammered", which I take to mean being shown by other members of the forum how we are engaging in twisted thinking or self-importance or narcissism or any number of other subjective. Essentially, worrying about being "hammered" on this forum is worrying about how others see us - self-importance

But Imagine that you had no self-importance. In such a case, there would be no fear of being "hammered", indeed, there would be no "hammering". Responses to something we say, regardless of their content, would be welcomed as an opportunity to learn.

Overcome self-importance and you are free in a way seldom experienced by any person alive, past or present.

Some relevant quotes from Castaneda's Don Juan:

Self-importance is man's greatest enemy. What weakens him is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of his fellow men. Self-importance requires that one spend most of one's life offended by something or someone.

Feeling important makes one heavy, clumsy and vain. To be a warrior one needs to be light and fluid.

Dwelling upon the self too much produces a terrible fatigue. A man in that position is deaf and blind to everything else. The fatigue itself makes him cease to see the marvels all around him.

Candidates have to destroy the feeling of self-importance and self-pity - since these qualities result in the tremendous waste of the person's energy. Indeed, if one views oneself so too important and someone else encroaches on this importance with their disrespectful attitude, the person reacts with emotional discharge of resentment, anger, and so forth. In this process the energy of the organism is intensively wasted.

When one has nothing to lose, one becomes courageous. We are timid only when there is something we can still cling to.

Joe

 

[Russ]

What triggered my awakening was realising that I was going to die.

 

[atreides]

To the insane, all sane people seem insane.

 

[Johnno]

It is a bit like chess. To know is reasonably simple, it's the understanding that is difficult.

 

[Al Today]

Essentially, worrying about being "hammered" on this forum is worrying about how others see us - self-importance

Thanks Joe.
I would think self-importance is part of a 3D survival mechanism.
I can logically, rationalize moving towards the ONE.
But, right "now" I'm a 3D STS individual and feel the urge to survive, as such.
This is a hard emotion to surpress.
Thanks for the new topic of study.!.!.!
I bet some spend big dollars for so called "professional" help becoming self-aware.

 

[Cyre2067]

Prior to reading the others, id like to respond fresh with Al's post in mind.

Answering the last question first, HOW DO YOU KNOW? I must admit, i do not. All i've known cannot be trusted as it has been corrupted by the filter that is my mind. My mind is not my own and therefore it cannot be labelled with the accuracy of "knowing", ergo i admit i only feel, and i let that which "feels right" guide me.

Simply stupid, is it not?

I've felt something inside myself, I'll attribute my ability to detect this feeling to two things, potent hallucinagens and preferring the same sex. As much as that sounds crazy, those two experiences have forced me to rethink, reprogram, and redefine what i am, over and over again. It has been this faculty, this abilty to reprogram, that offers insights, feelings, or thoughts at just the right moment, that has convinced me there is something more.

I must discover what it is, because without it, i am lost, ignorant, confused, blind, deaf and dumb. Life without it is meaningless, and to me the only meaning it has is to find it. However i keep getting distracted by the pretty flashing lights, and wonderful music along the way.

 

[rrraven]

Hi Al How do i know? For me it started with
cropcircles,which made me get over my
computer phobia,learn to use the net and
eventually lead me to the Cass site which
was like coming home.I first posted
on the old casschat only after a long while
not so much being afraid of a 'hammering'
more not wanting to just make 'noise'
to boost my little'i',but I still hade to learn
that no repley means no'hammering' eg.
when the forumites disagree with what you
post they will let you know.
But hey,all is lessons RRR