HPV

[Zaia]

Hi All,
First, sorry for my bad English, it’s very difficult for me to write in another language than mine.
I write this because I’m lost. Totally lost. In October 2016, my gynecologist dignosed a HPV. He advised me to make a chirurgical intervention to take off lesions, but I refused. Since October, I made a lot of things to try to cure without this intervention, because I know that will not solve the problem. Only immune system can win against virus. So, I made a lot of hypnosis sessions (to try to find psychological causes of the disease), I took a lot of food supplements (vit. B, C, D, chlorella…), I made irrigation of cervix with colloïdal silver (once or twice a day for 3 months), I took homeopathy and, recently, essential oils (but I had to stop after one month because of another problem, it was not possible to put anything in vagina). I had to consult my gynecologist again (because of the new problem) and it appeared that lesions had increased. Now, there are also external lesions and it extends to anus. So, doctor says that it’s time to make the intervention. I know that I won’t avoid this time. But I see it very badly. For me (just for me, no one understand me), this intervention is like a rape. Just thinking about it, I feel dirty ; speaking about it disgusting me. I don’t know for which reason I see this like that, but this feeling is very strong and everything in my body screams « Don’t do that ! » since 10 months, but this body didn’t do anything since that time to solve the problem on another way ! For which reason ?! (Sorry, I’m angry)
So, I’m lost, I don’t know what to do. I know that intervention will occur and I’m afraid of psychological consequences. I’m wondering how my body – who didn’t fight until now – will be able to win against virus when my mind will be devastated. But he’ll have to do it and I think it’ll be possible only if I find causes of HPV. I have assumptions : my doubt about having children or not and my tendency to not allow myself pleasure. If the cause is one of these, I will not find solution rapidly and lesions will appear again soon. I can’t imagine to suffer this intervention several times. My husband says : « It’s because you don’t want to have children but you can't accept this fact. » Even if it’s possible, I don't believe he's right. I think he says that many times because he’s affraid to be right ; he hopes that one day, I answer « No, you're wrong, I want children ».
I’m also wondering if iodine can be a part of causes. In June 2016, I tried to start iodine protocole (only ½ drop of Lugol 5% / day + all supplements) but only for 10 days because I had bad effects that I was not able to endure. Is it possible that I « woke up » virus at this time ? If yes, what can I do ? I don’t think I’m ready to restart protocole because of the effects I had last year.
Please, help. I don’t know what to do to cure. I don’t understand why nothing works. Many many thanks in advance for your advices.

 

[Gaby]

Hello Zaia,

There is research to suggest that taking methylated folate and vitamin B12 helps in HPV infection.

See:

Have HPV? How to clear the infection naturally

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/02/29/have-hpv-how-to-clear-infection-naturally.html

Folate deficiency and FHIT hypermethylation and HPV 16 infection promote cervical cancerization.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25422218

Hope I could say more on this subject, but for now I just think that it will certainly help if you can accept in your heart the intervention as a clean-up procedure and not an "invading" thing. This last thing is what the virus is doing, not the intervention.

There are more resources if you search for "folic acid, HPV".

Hope this helps.

 

[Yas]

Hello Zaia,

I understand how you feel about an intervention in such a delicate area. I went through one for another reason and I also felt a bit like that. It's not something minor, I think. But when the infection isn't responding to the treatments you've been doing, and if you don't have a knowledgeable alternative health practitioner to guide you through, you can end up harming yourself because those areas are indeed very sensible and, as you say, you're dealing with a virus here, which aren't easy to "kill".

So yes, improving your immune system is great, and it will certainly help you fight this or avoid it returning after an intervention. But sometimes is better to do the intervention so that you "help" your body in that fight.

I sometimes think of it as mother nature's consciousness. You know, her methods of self-defence are normally gentle when things haven't gotten very bad... But sometimes she needs to send "harsher" methods, so to say, that can seem destructive in some perspective, but are part of her cleansing and self-defence. It may be a far-off analogy, but maybe we are like that consciousness of nature to our bodies, and maybe sometimes we need a harsher method to help our body start healing.

Now, I'm obviously not an expert and I don't know of the details related to your particular situation, so take my advice with a pinch of salt.

I know this is a scary thing to go through, so I hope you stay strong and wish you the best in navigating this issue.

Fwiw...

 

[theos]

Hi Zaia,

There was also a small trial using an extract of shiitake mushrooms to clear an HPV infection.

Here is the link to the study: _https://www.sciencenews.org/article/mushroom-extract-might-eradicate-hpv-infection. It may be worth a try. I hope you find some relief.

In the meantime, keep in mind that your stress over the procedure could likely be making your symptoms worse. Stress-relieving activities, like EE meditation, or something of your choice will probably make the procedure go a lot more smoothly.

Best of luck to you.

 

[Laura]

Also taking L-Lysine is supposed to help. It can be a miracle with things like shingles.

 

[Phill4]

Managing stress is overall very important, in general, i understand you have gone to several hypnosis therapies, just keep in mind that dealing with the subconscious issues that cause us to be stressed out and anxious may take some time.

That seeming little anxiety traits that we attribute to our personality can be porblems and overall having you in a cronic state of worry, this stress can certainly influence your inmune system.

Stress seems to affect the inmune system, from what you mentioned about the iodine and the dosage, perhaps adjusting your diet first, avoid sugars, gluten, dairy etc. Could be the first thing to do.

What if the body's inmune system is down because it is fighting off other problems, or other infections elsewhere like candida etc, or stomach problems etc.

Hope you can get pass this fear and all goes well.

 

[Oxajil]

In addition to the advice given above, I was wondering if it might help you if you ask a female doctor to do the intervention (if that would make things more comfortable for you). I also can say from experience (with viral infections), that lots of vitamin C can help, as well as magnesium, and to lower your carb intake, if possible. Drink bone broth made from good quality bones, and try eating some organ meat here and there, that will strengthen your body/immune system as well. Take good care!

 

[rymw]

Also taking L-Lysine is supposed to help. It can be a miracle with things like shingles.

I can certainly attest to that. My immune system is not the best, what with gluten intolerance exacerbating the problem since I was a child. I've had shingles outbreak 3 times over the last few years, but on the last occasion, I supplemented with L-lysine just as the rash broke out and the shingles dried up in a matter of days, which otherwise would take weeks and a ton of nasty scarring before full recovery.

 

[Ant22]

(...) I’m also wondering if iodine can be a part of causes. In June 2016, I tried to start iodine protocole (only ½ drop of Lugol 5% / day + all supplements) but only for 10 days because I had bad effects that I was not able to endure. Is it possible that I « woke up » virus at this time ? If yes, what can I do ? I don’t think I’m ready to restart protocole because of the effects I had last year.
Please, help. I don’t know what to do to cure. I don’t understand why nothing works. Many many thanks in advance for your advices.

Hi Zaia, I'm not a doctor so please take this FWIW but when I first started taking iodine in mid-December 2015 I had a bit of a similar experience with all sorts of viruses and critters waking up. Although it wasn't pleasant, my symptoms weren't anywhere near as bad as other people's (and yours) so I have been able to continue to take it daily with very few breaks over the last 20 months.

Although I don't have the HPV virus (or so I think), I used to get viral tonsillitis around 3 times a year. During my initial weeks on iodine not only the tonsillitis but any other infection I've ever had started to come out of the woodwork. This included eczema patches I used to get from time to time around my chin and even toe fungus I picked up at a swimming pool when I was a teenager!

Yet instead of backing off I increased the dose. It wasn't in any way pleasant but after around 3 weeks most of these symptoms were gone - and they never returned again. Since iodine does kill viruses and my tonsillitis was viral maybe resuming it would in fact be an option when you're ready? I guess you would need to go very slowly and it would most likely take you longer to get rid of the nasty symptoms since your reaction to it sounds much worse than mine. Especially that iodine has stirred things up emotionally for some people (myself included) and it doesn't sound like you are ready to cope with even more emotional discomfort at this stage.

In the meantime suggestions you've received seem useful so hopefully you'll find them helpful!

Here's the session excerpt that resonated with my experience and therefore encouraged me to take the above approach with iodine:

Q: (L) We sort of wondered if that was the case. Several of us, as soon as we had been taking iodine a few days, old issues started coming up, like cold sores and such. Several of us started having pains and tiredness and activation of some kind of viral condition, stiff neck, and a bunch of other things. It was similar to the herx reactions we had with the anti-biotic protocol. On the other hand, it seemed more like the viruses got energized by the iodine. Chu even had an attack of her cocksackie virus that flares up in her pancreas about once or twice a year. That’s what made me think that instead of backing off and lowering the dose, the best thing would be to raise the dose and nuke the critters. So, Chu doubled the dose and then did it twice a day. You went from 5 drops a day to 10 drops twice a day?

(Chu) Yeah.

(L) So, Instead of backing off like this other book says you should do, she just went full bore whole hog and nuked 'em. Is that advisable?

A: Indeed. The battle is difficult to win if you keep supplying the "critters" with food and energy.

Q: (Chu) And before, they said people who get symptoms, it's activation of microbes drawing on the enhanced energy...

(L) So if you get energized by taking the iodine, that energizes your critters too, and they start getting more active. But you're not taking enough of a dose to kill them. You're just taking enough to energize yourself, which then feeds them because you're not taking a microbicidal dose.

A: Exactly.

I may be wrong of course since it took good couple of months for HPV symptoms to appear after you stopped the protocol.

 

[Foxx]

I'm sorry to hear that you're having this issue Zaia and I hope you're able to find some relief soon.

I don't know much about HPV specifically or female reproductive issues in general, however I have had a number of major health problems and so far have had the best results in solving them by working with an Applied Kinesiology practitioner. Applied Kinesiology is a branch of chiropractic medicine that expands on it and is able to rapidly diagnose problems and solutions, usually using muscle testing. I wrote a fairly long article on my experiences with it here:

https://www.sott.net/article/319266-SOTT-Exclusive-What-is-Applied-Kinesiology-and-what-can-it-do-for-you

If you're able to find a practitioner near you, it may help to visit one and ask whether the issue you're having is the result of the HPV virus (or a pathogen in general) and ask if there's anything they have that will resolve the issue. If it's not a virus or other pathogen, then it may be worth asking if there's an issue with organ function and if there's anything that the practitioner has that could resolve the organ function issue.

In addition, I think viruses are challenging to deal with in general, so taking an avenue of immune support as opposed to attempting to kill the virus could be more effective and for that, elderberry (syrup or capsules perhaps) may be helpful--I would suspect it would probably take on the order of months for the elderberry to resolve the issue if that's the problem and if elderberry is effective.

It's also worth considering that if nothing is working with regards to the virus hypothesis, then it may be a different issue, or there may be multiple factors involved.

I hope you're able to resolve this soon

 

[Zaia]

Hi everyone,

Many thanks to you all ! I will answer you individually, but it’ll take time because it’s difficult for me and I had a big issue - which also took (and probably will take again) a lot of time - with my cat (who was near to die) this week.

Have a nice day!

 

[Zaia]

Hello Zaia,

There is research to suggest that taking methylated folate and vitamin B12 helps in HPV infection.

See:

Have HPV? How to clear the infection naturally

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/02/29/have-hpv-how-to-clear-infection-naturally.html

Folate deficiency and FHIT hypermethylation and HPV 16 infection promote cervical cancerization.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25422218

Hope I could say more on this subject, but for now I just think that it will certainly help if you can accept in your heart the intervention as a clean-up procedure and not an "invading" thing. This last thing is what the virus is doing, not the intervention.

There are more resources if you search for "folic acid, HPV".

Hope this helps.

Many thanks for your help, Gaby. I take folic acid since October 2016, but probably not enough. I don’t take B12, and will search on this subject.
I know I should accept the intervention ; I can’t for now, hope rapidly will be able to.

 

[Astrocyte]

I write this because I’m lost. Totally lost. In October 2016, my gynecologist dignosed a HPV. He advised me to make a chirurgical intervention to take off lesions, but I refused.
...
I had to consult my gynecologist again (because of the new problem) and it appeared that lesions had increased. Now, there are also external lesions and it extends to anus. So, doctor says that it’s time to make the intervention. I know that I won’t avoid this time.

The info I have, but not completely sure, is that HPV normally does not migrate by itself, there need to exist contact and abrasion to spread it. Also, about 90% of HPV lesion go away by themselve, the 10% remaining should be treated.

There exist a risk of cervix cancer from HPV, so don't delay.

 

[Yupo]

Here is some interesting information about using BHT to combat viral infections. BHT is used in food industry to retard fat rancidity. It appears to stabilize cell membranes when taken as a supplement. This ebook on the subject is well worth a read.

_http://www.projectwellbeing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/BHTbook-StevenWmFowkes-100903.pdf

 

[Zaia]

Hello Zaia,

I understand how you feel about an intervention in such a delicate area. I went through one for another reason and I also felt a bit like that. It's not something minor, I think. But when the infection isn't responding to the treatments you've been doing, and if you don't have a knowledgeable alternative health practitioner to guide you through, you can end up harming yourself because those areas are indeed very sensible and, as you say, you're dealing with a virus here, which aren't easy to "kill".

So yes, improving your immune system is great, and it will certainly help you fight this or avoid it returning after an intervention. But sometimes is better to do the intervention so that you "help" your body in that fight.

I sometimes think of it as mother nature's consciousness. You know, her methods of self-defence are normally gentle when things haven't gotten very bad... But sometimes she needs to send "harsher" methods, so to say, that can seem destructive in some perspective, but are part of her cleansing and self-defence. It may be a far-off analogy, but maybe we are like that consciousness of nature to our bodies, and maybe sometimes we need a harsher method to help our body start healing.

Now, I'm obviously not an expert and I don't know of the details related to your particular situation, so take my advice with a pinch of salt.

I know this is a scary thing to go through, so I hope you stay strong and wish you the best in navigating this issue.

Fwiw...

Thank you Yas, I really appreciate your message, and much more because you seem to understand my feelings, and it’s important. I’m always afraid, even if everybody tells me the same : if the body can’t win alone, you must help him. I certainly would say the same thing to a friend of mine who would be in my situation. Nevertheless, my head and hearth say « No ». I don’t know if this « No » is only fear or if there's a good reason to refuse the intervention. I think only future will tell me if my decision was the good one. Thanks again!