Hugo Chavez calls for Socialist New World Order...

Cyre2067

Cyre2067

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Clever plant. Up till now i thought he might have been a good guy, shoulda known better.

Chavez warns US over Iran policy
July 25, 2006: Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has warned the US that any attack on Iran will have devastating consequences and send oil prices soaring.
Mr Chavez, on a two-day trip to the UK, called for a socialist new world order and said nations were cowards for not standing up to the "American empire".

The US has not ruled out military action against Iran over its nuclear programme but is pursuing diplomacy.

Hundreds of supporters gave Mr Chavez a rapturous welcome in north London.

The president told the meeting in Camden, hosted by Mayor of London Ken Livingstone, that a US military attack on Iran would lead to Tehran cutting off its oil supply.

"If the United States attacks Iran... oil could reach $100 (?52) a barrel or more," he said.

"Moreover, Iran has said it would attack Israel, and I know they have the wherewithal to do so.

If they (the US) attack Iran I think it's going to be far worse than what is currently happening in Iraq
Hugo Chavez

"This would be a terrible escalation and I do not know where it would end and I do not know who would get out the first nuclear bomb or how many people would die. No-one would be safe from this madness."

Mr Chavez said the US "doesn't know what to do" in Iraq, which he called "the Vietnam of the 21st Century".

Jubilant supporters cheered him, many clad in Venezuela's red, blue and yellow and banging drums, while hundreds more were left outside the packed ballroom.

Mr Chavez said capitalism was a "destructive" system and that "socialism is the way forward".

Mr Chavez called unrestricted free trade "a trap by the world's most powerful so they can keep the weakest in slavery".

Britain and a number of other countries have criticised Mr Chavez's moves to exert greater control over his country's oil reserves - the world's fifth largest.

On Friday Prime Minister Tony Blair urged Venezuela to use its energy resources responsibly.

The president's trip has been described as a private one - he has made no request to see Mr Blair or any government officials.

On Monday Mr Chavez will have lunch with Mr Livingstone, and will deliver a lecture in the evening.

BBC Americas analyst James Painter says Mr Chavez's strategy for this trip is similar to the one he used when visiting the US in September last year. He does not meet government officials but rather appeals over their heads to appear as a man of the people.

He says Mr Chavez does not want a "European flank" opening that would support the critical comments made of his government by the US.

original: http://indiamonitor.com/news/readNews.jsp?ni=191
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The phrase New World Order, i mean, if he is aware of the state of things why would he use that term? It's like a red flag in my mind, perhaps the he spoke in a different language and the translator put it in his mouth. I'll keep an open mind and do some digging.
 
Found this: http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=485

NO MORE CHEAP OIL SAYS CHAVEZ

By Meirion Jones

Producer, BBC Newsnight

Monday April 3, 2006

If you thought high oil prices were just a blip think again. In an exclusive interview with Greg Palast for BBC Newsnight the Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has ruled out any return to the era of cheap oil.

The colourful Venezuelan leader hosts the OPEC meeting on June 1 in Caracas and he will ask OPEC to set $50 a barrel - the average price last year - as the long term level. During the 1990s the price of oil had hovered around the $20 mark falling as low as $10 a barrel in early 1999.



Chavez told Newsnight "we're trying to find an equilibrium. The price of oil could remain at the low level of $50. That's a fair price it's not a high price". Hugo Chavez will have added clout at this OPEC meeting.

US Department of Energy analyses seen by Newsnight show that at $50 a barrel Venezuela - not Saudi Arabia - will have the biggest oil reserves in OPEC. Venezuela has vast deposits of extra heavy oil in the Orinoco. Traditionally these have not been counted because at $20 a barrel they were too expensive to exploit - but at $50 a barrel melting them into liquid petroleum becomes extremely profitable.

The US DoE report shows that at today's prices Venezuela's oil reserves are bigger than those of the entire Middle East including Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states, Iran and Iraq. The US DoE also identifies Canada as another future oil superpower. Venezuela's deposits alone could extend the oil age for another 100 years.

The US DoE estimates that Chavez controls 1.3 trillion barrels of oil - more than the entire declared oil reserves of the rest of the planet. Hugo Chavez told Newsnight's Greg Palast that "Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world. In the future Venezuela won't have any more oil - but that's in the 22nd century. Venezuela has oil for 200 years." Chavez will ask the OPEC meeting in June to formally accept that Venezuela's reserves are now bigger than Saudi Arabia's.

Chavez's increased muscle will not go down well in Washington. In 2002 the Bush administration welcomed an attempted coup against Chavez. He told Newsnight that the Americans had organised it in an attempt to get hold of Venezuela's oil.

Ironically by invading Iraq George Bush has boosted oil prices and effectively transferred billions of dollars from American consumers to Chavez. Up to $200 million a day - half of it from the US - is flooding into Caracas. Chavez is spending this on building infrastructure and increasing the minimum wage and improving health and education in the poor ranchos which surround the cities. As a result even his opponents accept that Chavez is extremely popular and will easily win the next Presidential election in December.

Chavez is also spending billions in the rest of Latin America - exchanging contracts for oil tankers and infrastructure projects and buying up loans in Argentina and Brazil. He has made cheap oil deals with Ecuador and the Caribbean.

He has also spent some of the dollars which have come in from the US supporting Fidel Castro in Cuba. In return Cuba has supplied the thousands of doctors and teachers who are transforming conditions in the barrios of Caracas. Washington accuses Chavez of buying influence in Latin America.

The Newsnight team had to endure the long speeches and marathon six hour TV shows which Hugo Chavez delights in. Chavez posed for Newsnight posing with the sword of Simon Bolivar the 18th century liberator who drove out Spanish imperialists from South America. The symbolism was clear but behind the showman is a clever political brain.

Chavez has not invaded any foreign countries. He does not have secret prisons at home or abroad. Chavez has repeatedly won democratic elections and the opposition operates freely although some members have been charged with accepting illegal foreign donations. Nonetheless George Bush's administration repeatedly targets Chavez on human rights and finances his opponents.

Earlier this year US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld compared Chavez to Hitler - because he was elected democratically - and last year the influential American evangelist Pat Robertson called for his assassination. Robertson later apologized and said that he did not "necessarily" have to be killed so long as he was kidnapped by American special forces.

Chavez told Newsnight that he was still concerned that George Bush had not learnt the lessons of Iraq and would order an invasion to try to secure Venezuela's oil. "I pray this will not happen because US soldiers will bite the dust and so will we, Venezuelans". He warned that any such attempt would lead to a prolonged guerilla war and an end to oil production. "The US people should know there will be no oil for anyone".

Chavez does not accept Tony Blair's criticism of him for lining up with Fidel Castro. He told Newsnight "if someone is sleeping together it is Bush and Blair. They share the same bed."
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Yeah that's weird.
Why would he use such loaded with meaning words ?

Either he is with them or against them...uhm...I think I heard that before :D
 
and this, the first paragraph, describing how he spoke, reminded me of trance-channeling.

Discourse of Third World Hope
Chavez Takes London
By HUGH O'SHAUGHNESSY

Relentlessly Ch
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Thanks for the dilligent research done here, but I gotta ask other than the phrase "New World Order", what makes you think Chavez is part of the problem as opposed to part of the solution?

Don't get me wrong, Im not saying here your right or wrong for sharing your own opinion as I understand where your coming from...but I have noticed a rather worrying trend when this particular phrase pops up, in that almost anyone who uses it is usualy suggested to be part of the Consortiums game plan.

Now I don't belive for a minute that just because of the use of this phrase that would be an indicator of any sort of allegiance for or against the reigning pathocracy, but I have seen many people claim that even using this phras is tantamount to being of the Sith/darkside/entrophic side. I blame this on people like that Alex Jones guy spouting off about a New World Order all the time.

In fact I used to get the same feelings about people whenever I heard the phrase used, but I have since realised that using this phrase isn't always a pointer to someone who's working for the Pathocrats. I guess Im trying to say that the use of such a phrase must be looked at in the context in which it is being used, and by whom and for what ends. For example if someone uses such a phrase to describe an idea/ideal of a more controlled, manipulated, lie filled "New World Order", then I'd fight against that and belive that someone suggesting such would be part of the STS masterplans. However if someone uses such a phrase to describe an idea/ideal of a fairer, less controlled, more truthfull and less psychopathic "New World Order", well, I'd be all for it, wouldn't you?

Chaves is making the Venezuelan oil more expensive for the countries such as mine (UK) and the US pay more for the oil, but they have been stealing the welath of the Venzuelan peole through their oil reserves and natural resources for decades, so I'm all for a hike in prices so that the poor Venezuelans may all have a free health service and access to free eductaion in the country. I think this is a good thing, but I guess its all a matter of perspectives, and opinions, this is mine and I hope I haven't offended anyone by sharing it. Also I'm open to critisism or other POV to mine, its what encourages/challenges me to share my opinions/beliefs (which do change sometimes on a daily basis) from the research and fact gathering I have done myself.

Also I don't think Chavez is a bad guy for having all these ideas about reforms, and helping out the little guys in the world, I would challenge Bush and the G8 to do half as much good for the people in their own countries as Hugo has done in just a few years in Venezuela. From reading the quoted article, it seems heavily biased against Hugo without any impartiability or real objectivity, at least Hugo is trying to help, which is more than I can say for 95% of the Pathocrats in power elsewhere around the world.
 
Cyre said:
The phrase New World Order, i mean, if he is aware of the state of things why would he use that term? It's like a red flag in my mind, perhaps the he spoke in a different language and the translator put it in his mouth.
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I don't see, even with you subsequent posts, the substance that you're drawing your conclusions from.

People say plenty of things, but it's what they do that I think is of importance. Is Chavez against normal people if he's for a $50 barrel of oil? Since he's using that money to help normal people, I don't see the harm. If he changed is actions to benefit the energy industry vampires then sure - but he hasn't.

Reading and doing a lot of thinking about the obyvatel Gurdjieff spoke of has helped me a lot with the basics. Perhaps it may be of use to you or another forum member:

http://www.kesdjan.com/exercises/ec.html
"Obyvatel is a strange word in the Russian language. It is used in the sense of 'inhabitant,' without any particular shade. At the same time it is used to express contempt or derision--'obyvatel'--as though there could be nothing worse. But those who speak in this way do not understand that the obyvatel is the healthy kernel of life. And from the point of view of the possibility of evolution, a good obyvatel has many more chances than a 'lunatic' or a 'tramp.' Afterwards I will perhaps explain what I mean by these two words. In the meantime we will talk about the obyvatel. I do not at all wish to say that all obyvatels are people of the objective way. Nothing of the kind. Among them are thieves, rascals, and fools; but there are others. I merely wish to say that being a good obyvatel by itself does not hinder the 'way.' And finally there are different types of obyvatel. Imagine, for example, the type of obyvatel who lives all his life just as the other people round him, conspicuous in nothing, perhaps a good master, who makes money, and is perhaps even close-fisted. At the same time he dreams all his life of monasteries, for instance, and dreams that some time or other he will leave everything and go into a monastery. And such things happen in the East and in Russia. A man lives and works, then, when his children or his grandchildren are grown up, he gives everything to them and goes into a monastery. This is the obyvatel of which I speak. Perhaps he does not go into a monastery, perhaps he does not need this. His own life as an obyvatel can be his way.

"People who are definitely thinking about ways, particularly people of intellectual ways, very often look down on the obyvatel and in general despise the virtues of the obyvatel. But they only show by this their own personal unsuitability for any way whatever. Because no way can begin from a level lower than the obyvatel. This is very often lost sight of on people who are unable to organize their own personal lives, who are too weak to struggle with and conquer life, dream of the ways, or what they consider are ways, because they think it will be easier for them than life and because this, so to speak, justifies their weakness and inadaptability. A man who can be a good obyvatel is much more helpful from the point of view of the way than a 'tramp' who thinks himself much higher than an obyvatel. I call 'tramps' all the so-called 'intelligentsia'--artists, poets, any kind of 'bohemian' in general, who despises the obyvatel and who at the same time would be unable to exist without him. Ability to orientate oneself in life is a very useful quality from the point of view of the work. A good obyvatel should be able to support at least twenty persons by his own labor. What is a man worth who is unable to do this?"

"What does obyvatel actually mean?" asked somebody. "Can it be said that an obyvatel is a good citizen?"

"Ought an obyvatel to be patriotic?" someone else asked. "Let us suppose there is war. What attitude should an obyvatel have towards war?"

"There can be different wars and there can be different patriots," said G. "You all still believe in words. An obyvatel, if he is a good obyvatel, does not believe in words. He realizes how much idle talk is hidden behind them. People who shout about their patriotism are psychopaths for him and he looks upon them as such."

"And how would an obyvatel look upon pacifists or upon people who refuse to go to the war?"

"Equally as lunatics! They are probably still worse."
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Perhaps i was too quick to judge in my initial assessment. I'm attempting to keep an open mind on the subject, however when i read between the lines, looking at the above articles, what i see is someone who is being setup to be an anatagonist against the pathocracy. I agree with you Apol, this is a good thing, however if he still has the flyer's mind he is open to manipulation the same as anyone else, and could easily be activated when necessary. If he started discussing G and the Fourth Way in his speeches perhaps my sketicism would fade, for the ultimate problem isn't the pathocrats themselves, but the hyperdimensional influence controlling them.

Basically ive come to scrutinize anyone who gets attention.
 
Cyre2067 said:
Basically ive come to scrutinize anyone who gets attention.
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I do the same Cryre, and I agree that evryone here, me, you Hugo and even members of QFS are still open to manipulation. I think he's doing good, how much moe good he can do, we'll wait and see. If he started talking about G and the Fourth Way, I think I'd almost die laughing, as I don't belive anyone in power is quite that good, but I could be wrong (and liekly am).

Thanks for the quote from G Shane, I hadn't heard this text and it a very good peice to digest and think about.
 
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