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[Bar Kochba]

hello forum members. I have been gone for a couple months having lost internet access. In the meantime, i purchased 'isotm' and 'veiws from the real world' and got to work. Glad i did because now i can understand what goes on here much better. One thing that bothers me a little is that gurdjieff says you cant do the work alone. I understand this, but am alone except for coming here when i can. Is anyone else im this situation? This is my 'group.' i am grateful for it but cant come as often as i would like. Thank you.

 

[Hildegarda]

gurdjieff says you cant do the work alone. I understand this, but am alone except for coming here when i can. Is anyone else im this situation? This is my 'group.'

Hi Bar Kochba,

Glad to see you back here again. Yes, the forum is "the group" for many people, and this kind of internet-based interactions can be very effective, providing that the participants apply themselves to identify and learn their lessons. The more often you could participate the better. Hope to hear more from you!

 

[Bar Kochba]

thank you. Since buckling downwand committing to the work, things in my life have only gotten better. I just got promoted at my job so i hope to buy a computer and put work in here. One of my chief faults is being shy and passive so this is something i can address here. Thanks again.

 

[Nienna]

I, too, look forward to seeing more of you here on the forum Bar Kochba.

Glad to hear that you will be able to get yourself hooked up to the internet at home soon. Interacting on this forum really does maka a difference, as Hildegarda said.

 

[Mona]

One thing that bothers me a little is that gurdjieff says you cant do the work alone. I understand this, but am alone except for coming here when i can. Is anyone else im this situation? This is my 'group.' i am grateful for it but cant come as often as i would like. Thank you.

Hi Bar Kochba,
I agree with Gurdjieff, personally I find that just reading the books is not enough for me even though I though I could do all the lessons by myself. What I really like about coming here is that when I seem to be crystal clear about something, and I feel deep down that I got it right this time, someone else presents me with another question or idea or opinion in this forum and I find myself right where I started. But, this time I progress much more quickly to the next step, the understanding becomes even more clear and then again when I come here I am once again challenged with another thought that keeps me aware in the middle of the night or at work. Fortunately I don't have a stressful job this time so I can do a lot of thinking and I don't have a psychopath for a boss, now, that's a bonus. The learning process is for me like a puzzle with an infinite number of possibilities, each square representing a little more of knowledge that I always find extremely helpful and finally useful in real life situations. I am a slow learner, but I think I am starting to get it thanks to all the people in this forum.

I know what you mean when you said that you are having issues with your computer. Believe it or not I finally got a computer after 12 years. My old computer broke down and still had windows 98 on it. I loved it and hated it at the same time; it was my baby but too slow for today's technological world.

Good luck.

I hope you will keep on coming here Bar Kochba. You will see how much you will progress in just a few short months.

 

[Bar Kochba]

In actuality, i have been a member here since 2006 or 2007, but never felt that i had anything of revelvance to say. When i used to speak about myself, as soon as someone held a mirror up i got defensive hurt or angry and would then leave the forum for awhile. It makes me smile a little now but at the time i was so indignant. I didnt understand what self observation was. Hell i didnt understand what self importance was. I now feel better equipped to contribute here.

 

[vinny]

In actuality, i have been a member here since 2006 or 2007, but never felt that i had anything of revelvance to say. When i used to speak about myself, as soon as someone held a mirror up i got defensive hurt or angry and would then leave the forum for awhile. It makes me smile a little now but at the time i was so indignant. I didnt understand what self observation was. Hell i didnt understand what self importance was. I now feel better equipped to contribute here.

It's amazing what a little shift in perspective can do, eh? Glad you found your way back here, and looking forward to further learning with you.

As to the shyness, don't worry too much about it yet, just continue with the process of self-observation, and you may see some significant changes as you come to understand what is really going on, and where it originates. It was one of the major things I really struggled with for many years. Emotional healing, and 'knowing thyself' will go a long way to help with it (hence the EE program, and the psychology material).

Something that was a total (and uncomfortable) revelation for me at one point, was when shyness was described to me as: "a total excess of inner considering". Now, just thinking about that didn't immediately solve anything. But I can say from my own personal experience, that the Work on the self can help you have some truly amazing progress in that area. And, as others have said, using this forum as our 'network' is a cornerstone to all that.

 

[Bar Kochba]

Nomad, what you say resonates with me and i thank you. Shyness as an extreme form of internal considering makes so much sense. But, as you said and gurdjieff taught, one shouldnt try to change anything like that in the beginning. But i must say, with just a few months of serious work, i have found my shyness slowling melting and quiet confidence replacing fake bravado. I dont qgeally know how to put it into words but i am feeling RESULTS. I am glad to be back.

 

[mabar]

Hi, I am –kind off- in a similar situation (at least in being-feeling alone and to had found in the forum a different kind of school to learn), I am shy too, but somehow with knowledge, experience, and a “new” self steem, I am giving myself the opportunity to do, say… things that I could not do it before.


mabar