In case of an earthquake

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I am currently taking some first aid courses, and because earthquakes are something that can happen and do happen at any place, at any time, and they are unpredictable, no matter what anyone says, i thought i'd share some of the things we learned, and some stuff i read from http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learning/

Because knowledge protects indeed, and knowing one or two things more on how to protect your self and those around you in such a situation might save lives.

This is just a small outline, if somebody has more info or knows of something i forgot to mention, please feel free to add.

Prepare an earthquake plan:

- choose a safe place in every room – under a sturdy table or desk or against an inside wall where nothing can fall on you. It used to be that it was safe to stand/sit under the door boxes, but that’s true for older buildings, nowadays the door boxes are not as strong.

- Remember to DROP, COVER and HOLD ON.

DROP: drop to the floor and crouch down.

COVER: seek cover under a sturdy desk or table. If there’s no table or desk nearby, sit on the floor against an interior wall away from the windows, bookcases, or tall furniture that could fall on you. Protect your face and eyes by sitting down, knees bend, and bringing your forehead to your knees and hold above your head with both arms.

HOLD ON: if possible hold on tight to something substantial, such as a desk leg or door frame. During the shaking phase of an earthquake DON’T MOVE as you might suffer from falling masonry, objects or debris.

- Teach your children and all family members the DROP, COVER and HOLD ON.

- Make sure you have nothing over your head when you are sleeping, and if you have heavy icons/pictures remove them, or if you have bookcase over the bed, put wooden doors in front of it that lock or something.

- Keep a list of emergency phone numbers and an emergency first aid kid.

- Be aware of how to turn off gas, electricity and water in your residence and work building, in case you need to do it.

Know what to do when the shaking begins:

-DROP, COVER and HOLD ON! Move only a few steps to a nearby safe place. Stay indoors until the shaking stops and then make sure it’s safe to exit. Stay away from windows and objects that might fall on you. as you exit, if there’s no electricity and you need to touch walls to navigate yourself outside, make sure you touch the wall with the outside of your palm, not the inside of your palm.

-If you are outdoors, find a clear spot away from buildings, trees and power lines, or cliffs from where rocks might fall. Drop to the ground.

- If you are in a car, slow down and drive to a clear place (as described above). Stay in the car until the shaking stops.

What to do after the shaking stops:
- Check yourself for injuries. Protect yourself from farther danger.

- Check others for injuries and if you know and can, administer first aid when needed. If something heavy has fallen on a person and 10 minutes or more have passed since the falling happened, do not try to help the person be free from the weight, just call and wait until medical staff comes to the rescue. Give emotional support to the person.

- Expect after shocks. Each time you feel one, DROP, COVER and HOLD ON.

- Look for and extinguish small fires. Eliminate fire hazards. In the kitchen area turn off the gas if you smell gas or you think it’s leaking.

- Use the telephone only to report life threatening emergencies.

And through all these, remember that LIFE IS A SCHOOL and ALL IS LESSONS!
 
Abit of new ifno from eKathimerini: Quakes send tremors through churches

Churches and cathedrals are the buildings most likely to suffer damage during an earthquake, seismologists said yesterday as they presented the results of a survey that began in 1999.

The Greek Earthquake Planning and Protection Organization (OASP) began collecting information from prefectures in the wake of the major quake which struck Athens eight years ago.

OASP said that 30 out of 50 prefectures responded to their request for information from checks made by structural engineers. The data gathered indicate that churches are more vulnerable to tremors for a range of reasons, such as their design, the materials used and, in some cases, age.

OASP said that it had created a database of more than 3,000 public buildings but was disappointed by the response to its survey.
 
I just heard in the news that there have been 6 mild earthquakes (4.7 the strongest) in the sea close to Paphos, NW coast of Cyprus. The seismologist who spoke said that the next 48 hours are crucial in showing whether that was it, or precursors. As i also read in sott, there have been several earthquakes around the world today.

Cyprus lies where the Eurasian and African plates meet.

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Where to be During an Earthquake

I stumbled onto this article today and thought it would be good to pass on the information with seismic activity increasing. As a child in the public school system, we were taught to take cover under our desk or doorway for protection. Apparently we were taught wrong (imagine that).

_http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=170608

Where to be During an Earthquake

Carol Weigold writes, Remember that USGS advice about hiding under a table or standing in a doorway? Well, Doug Copp's TRIANGLE OF LIFE' has a different opinion.

My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced rescue team. The information will save lives in an earthquake. I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams from 60 countries. I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation and worked at every major disaster in the world since 1985. The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico City during the 1985 earthquake. Every child was under its desk. Every child was crushed to the thickness of their bones. They could have survived by lying down next to their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I wondered why the children were not in the aisles. I did not at the time know that the children were told to hide under something. Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings falling upon the objects or furniture inside crushes these objects, leaving a space or void next to them. This space is what I call the 'triangle of life'.
The larger the object, the stronger, the less it will compact. The less the object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the probability that the person who is using this void for safety will not be injured. The next time you watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the 'triangles' you see formed. They are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see, in a collapsed building.
TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY

1) Most everyone who simply 'ducks and covers' WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE are crushed to death.. People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are crushed. 2) Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal position. You should too in an earthquake. It is a natural safety/survival instinct. You can survive in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next to a large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to it.
3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in during an earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with the force of the earthquake. If the wooden building does collapse, large survival voids are created. Also, the wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight. Brick buildings will break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause many injuries but less squashed bodies than concrete slabs.
4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply roll off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels can achieve a much greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply by posting a sign on the back of the door of every room telling occupants to lie down on the floor, next to the bottom of the bed during an earthquake.
5) If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting out the door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next to a sofa, or large chair.
6) Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is killed. How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls forward or backward you will be crushed by the ceiling above.
7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different 'moment of frequency' (they swing separately from the main part of the building). The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump into each and the people who get on stairs before they fail are chopped up by the stair treads. Even if the building does not collapse, stay away from the stairs.
The stairs are a likely part of the building to be damaged. Even if the stairs are not collapsed by the earthquake, they may collapse later when overloaded by fleeing people. They should always be checked for safety, even when the rest of the building is not damaged.
8) Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If Possible - It is much better to be near the outside of the building rather than the interior. The farther inside you are from the outside perimeter of the building the greater the probability that your escape route will be blocked.
9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly what happened with the slabs between the decks of the Nimitz Freeway. The victims of the San Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their vehicles.. They were all killed. They could have easily survived by getting out and sitting or lying next to their vehicles. Everyone killed would have survived if they had been able to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the crushed cars had voids 3 feet high next to them, except for the cars that had columns fall directly across them.
10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices and other offices with a lot of paper, that paper does not compact.
Large voids are found surrounding stacks of paper. In 1996 we made a film, which proved my survival methodology to be correct. The Turkish Federal Government, University of Istanbul and ARTI cooperated to film this practical, scientific test. We collapsed a school and a home with 20 mannequins inside. Ten mannequins did 'duck and cover,' and ten mannequins I used in my 'triangle of life' survival method. After the simulated earthquake collapse we crawled through the rubble and entered the building to film and document the results. The film, in which I practiced my survival techniques under directly observable, scientific conditions, relevant to building collapse, showed there would have been zero percent survival for those doing duck and cover. There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for people using my method of the 'triangle of life.' This film has been seen by millions of viewers on television in Turkey and the rest of Europe and Real TV.
 
Re: Where to be During an Earthquake

Thanks for sharing Michael. Very useful and interesting information but also counter to everything I've heard about quake safety.
 
Re: Where to be During an Earthquake

Thanks for sharing this Michael.

I think Laura posted something similar by Doug Copp and the "Triangle of Life" in another thread here.

Definitely a good thing to know about!
 
Re: Where to be During an Earthquake

Thanks Michael for the information, it is useful to know that
just in case.
 
Re: Where to be During an Earthquake

Thanks for the info michael,

here is a short video of and from Doug Copp about the triangle of life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TDP4P5NYng

RyanX said:
Thanks for sharing this Michael.

I think Laura posted something similar by Doug Copp and the "Triangle of Life" in another thread here.

Definitely a good thing to know about!

Ahh I remember, because I had the feeling that I read it already on the forum.
 
Re: Where to be During an Earthquake

Thank you for the video link. I think it's important that this information to be shared with those who live on fault zones, heck even those who don't.
 
Re: Where to be During an Earthquake

I remember Laura posting about the Triangle of Life a while ago, but thank you Michael for the reminder! We were rolling quite a bit during the ~7.0 Baja Quake a few days ago; I was feeling quite panicky because I was on the second story of an old house on a hill. When the Big One comes to town I'll have to remember what Doug said, as we were always taught "duck and cover" as well :)
 
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Michael, I appreciate this as well. I didn't know about the thread Ryan mentioned, but I've posted this article along with the video link from Gawan to a blog to help get the word out. Thanks. :)
 
Re: Where to be During an Earthquake

I remember reading about that on the web and it seems that there is a lot of controversy around whether ducking around or under is the best thing. I went to his site (_http://amerrescue.org/)and he says that (paraphrasing here) that the American Red Cross and other agencies are out to defame him because survivors cost insurance companies more money or something. I do remember reading that building codes are different in different countries and developed cities in seismic areas are less prone to complete collapse. Anyway, I found some points that are well worthwhile to consider (bolding mine):

I'm not saying that the triangle of life doesn't work (never actually tried it and don't hope to find out), just some other points to take into consideration.

From _http://www.cert-la.com/RejoinderToDougCopp.pdf

THE NEED FOR AN EVIDENCE-BASIS FOR EARTHQUAKE SURVIVAL TIPS

Marla Petal, Ph.D. is Coordinator of International Program Development for Bogaziçi University, Kandilli Observatory and Earthquake Research Institute's Disaster Preparedness Education Program. Her doctoral research is on the causes of deaths in the 1999 Kocaeli Earthquake and implications of these findings for public education. September, 2006 If you took the time to read Copp's advice and you thought it might have some merit, or if you passed it on to anyone else, please read this and pass this back up or down the lines. If you haven't, and just want a few good tips for earthquake safety you can skip all the way to #5 and #6.

#1 THE MYTH OF ANTICIPATING THE "TRIANGLE OF LIFE"

If Doug Copp has gotten your attention about earthquake safety, I'd like to address some of the claims he makes that may have piqued your curiosity - because it's always good to hone our ability to think critically - and there are things you can and should do to be safer from earthquakes. Yes, Copp is correct that there are places that after a building collapse are called "triangles of life". These "life safe voids" are the first places that search and rescue workers look for survivors. It's generally true that the larger the object and stronger the less it will compact. But don't be fooled. The force of earthquakes moves large and heavy objects. We don't know a) whether it is possible to anticipate where the life safe voids will be before the collapse, and b) whether it is possible to get there during the strong shaking of an earthquake. What we don't know in advance (but is worthy of research) is the expected collapse patterns in particular buildings or where these life safe voids will be when the shaking stops. If your building tilts in one direction, the "large and heavy object" that you are near, could crush you against the wall....

Copp says "People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles" and that in the Loma Prieta earthquake everyone killed would have survived if they had been able to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them, because of the life - safe void nearby. The problem is similar: observing a crushed car with a life safe void next to it doesn't mean much. The car itself may have moved after the shaking started. There is a lot of evidence of cars and truck overturning in strong shaking. If everyone got out of their cars and got down next to them, a lot of people would be dead or seriously injured from the weight of the car jumping or sliding on them.

Copp likes to base his evidence on the Turkish "experiment" that he was involved with. Unfortunately, unbeknownst to all involved, this was not an experiment at all, but rather a voluntary organization's search and rescue exercise. My colleagues in Turkey corroborate that a building scheduled for demolition was used as a search and rescue training opportunity. They did decide to put the mannequins in different spots to see what would happen. And indeed they reported finding mannequins unharmed next to large and heavy objects.

What is the problem with this? Simply this: To collapse the building, they rammed the columns, causing the building to pancake. They did NOT simulate an earthquake. Earthquakes come in waves. They cause lateral shaking. They cause a variety of different kinds of damage. Since this experiment didn't produce anything resembling shaking it really doesn't tell us anything at all about what would happen during an earthquake. It could be that the large and heavy furniture would end up at the other end of the room, nowhere near where it began. Assuming even for a moment that an experiment could be done to support the hypothesis, the reality is that the particular results from a pancake collapse, while certainly the most fatal, represents the least common type of reinforced concrete building collapse. There are at least 4 other major types of collapse. Less than 3% of damaged buildings in the Kocaeli earthquake were pancaked. So these results would tell us precious little about what might happen to people in all the other buildings... the other 97% of damaged buildings as well as the many undamaged buildings. Formulating the questions in order to advise EVERYONE about what to do when the shaking starts is much more complex than the evidence in front of Copp's eyes.

#2. The "IF I CAN SAVE ONE LIFE" FALLACY.

Search and rescue workers desperately want to save lives. In reality, worldwide their experience is of bringing out at least 98 dead bodies to 2 live ones. Some would like to turn the one life they saved into a cautionary anecdote for the other millions of people who were potential victims. There is a place for these stories, but extrapolating to the millions is not scientific. It really doesn't matter if one or if ten people are found alive next to a refrigerator, unless you look at 100 or 1,000 refrigerators after an earthquake to see what might have happened to people who might have been near them at the time of the shaking. When you give advice to people about what to do during an earthquake, you are basically advising everyone who feels the shaking.

In Kocaeli we would have loved to be able to advise the 20,000 who died so that even a few lives could be saved. But remember that in order to save any of them, we would have to advise all 15,000,000 people who felt the shaking and were in a position to take some action. Suppose that our advice could save 1,000 people from death in pancaked buildings (highly unlikely) but if it also put .00007 percent of all the people who felt the shaking at risk of death and serious injury we would have done more harm than good. In other words, the behavior that Copp thinks may save someone in a particular collapsed building may put them at MORE risk in other collapsed or non-collapsed buildings.

When I show Californians pictures from Turkish publications with people crouched down next to refrigerators and kitchen counters, instead of under the nearby kitchen table, their jaws drop in horror. Obviously these people are in danger from the refrigerator sliding and toppling and emptying its contents, the hot things on the stove, the appliances on the counter and the packed contents of the cabinets overhead. Obviously they should be under the kitchen table, or outside the kitchen door. But this is exactly the lunacy that these kinds of "I found one person alive here" anecdotes can lead to. Some people in Turkey will die in the next earthquake because of this.

Having said that, most of my scientific colleagues and I have come to the uneasy compromise that IF people are occupying a self-built adobe structure with a heavy roof, and with no seismic-resistant design measures, and if they are on the ground floor and can run out quickly to a safe and open place outside, they should do so when the shaking begins. Otherwise, they should still drop, cover and hold on. Adobe collapses are much more survivable when the roofing is of lightweight material. But the reality is that protection from earthquake deaths takes place way before the shaking begins. It will take a lot of well-designed research to learn if there is, in fact, ANY behavior that is better than luck in saving someone from a building collapse, and that can be guaranteed not to endanger more people than it helps! As with other helping efforts: "First, do no harm."

#3. COPP'S OUTRAGEOUS ERRORS

Copp makes lots of outrageous claims for which there is no research, like "Everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE is crushed to death -- Every time, without exception." "Everybody who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is killed." At best these are extreme statements that are hypotheses to be tested. It would be great for search and rescue workers and social science researchers to get together to investigate hypotheses like these.

Copp also says "Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If Possible...because of the greater the probability that your escape route will be blocked." There is no evidence of this. A contrary hypothesis suggests that especially in concrete building with infill tile walls, the tiles fall out and so could you. This is also a good subject for research, but at present it's nothing more than an untested hypothesis.

Please understand that even the best scientific methods don't always provide perfect or even helpful results. Nevertheless, scientific methods should be used to investigate our hunches. There are many important questions that we haven't begun to answer - but absolute claims like this are just total rubbish and no substitute.

#4. COPP'S HALF TRUTHS

Copp recommends the " fetal position" in order to "survive in a smaller void". The idea of being small is fine. Getting down low prevents falling injuries, and making yourself a smaller target means there is less to be hit. However, when we tried this informally in Turkey on an earthquake simulation shake table, the "curled up in a ball" fetal position made us prone to rolling around. This didn't actually feel safe to us. What felt much safer was to get down as low as possible on our knees and shins so that we had some control over our movements and could still crawl to a more secure place.

Indications from research in Kocaeli is that Copp may be right in his advice to get down "next to a sofa, next to a large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to it." Many Kocaeli survivors would agree that this would have been both possible and safe in that earthquake. This is a good hypothesis that should be further investigated.

Copp says "Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in during an earthquake." He's right... They're also the worst in case of fire after an earthquake. So while those in wooden homes can take some comfort, be prepared to put out fires when they are still small with fire extinguishers and blankets.

Copp says "If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply roll off the bed." Actually, the safest people in earthquakes in both California and Turkey were those who stayed in bed. If the building tilts and the bed moves... the foot of the bed probably isn't the best place to be.

Copp says that he "discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices and other offices with a lot of paper, that paper does not compact." Large voids are found surrounding stacks of paper. This might be good information for the grocery store, but only if the shelves are bolted to the floor or ceiling. Frankly if you live in a building that you think is a collapse risk, ethically the only good advice is to suggest that you to find another place to live, rather than to rely on a pile of paper or a container of books in every room to save your life. This may seem pathetic, but at least 3 different publications in Turkey have photos of people crouching down next to enormous containers of paper products in the middle of their living rooms. Let's get real - our job is to live with earthquakes. This kind of advice makes the tasks of public education and preparedness harder than it already is.

Copp's advice: "Never go to the stairs." is sound advice.

#5. SO WHAT SHOULD YOU DO?

•Think through personal scenarios in the places you live and work. What spots seem safer than others?
•Make your environment safer by fastening tall and heavy furniture and audiovisual equipment, Move heavy objects down low.
•Keep shoes and flashlight by your bed.
•During the shaking, drop down to the ground. Cover your head and neck. Hold on to your cover or something stable.

Why do we persist in saying these things? What is the proof? Research into the causes of deaths and injuries in several countries has now shown several important patterns: a) Fatalities are almost always associated with head, neck and chest injuries. These are the most vulnerable areas of the body that need to be protected. b) Many injuries are caused by falling. If you get down yourself, or brace yourself, you can avoid falling. c) A huge proportion of night time injuries are to feet and legs... even in places with minor damage.... picture frame on floor, no shoes, no lights, parents/children trying to find each other in the dark.... d) At least half of all injuries are from non- structural objects. Many of these injuries are serious, made more so by the intense demand on limited medical resources. We can't be complacent about any unnecessary injuries when limited medical resources will be needed to save lives. e) The smaller target you present to falling objects the less chance there is of something hitting you.

#6. AND NOW THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT...

Urban earthquake mitigation requires all of us to be involved in three major activities: assessment and planning, reducing our physical risks, and developing our ability to respond.

ASSESS & PLAN
(Think and act now.)
•Sit down with your family and discuss possible scenarios.
•Decide on meeting places inside and outside of your neighbourhood.
•Identify an "out-of-area contact" for quicker communication and peace of mind.
•Designate others nearby to pick up your child from school in case of emergency, and make a meeting plan with them.

PROTECT YOURSELF PHYSICALLY
(Take measures to reduce your physical risks.)
•If you aren't sure about the structural soundness of you home, workplace or school, have it assessed by a qualified engineer.
•Retrofit where possible. Move out, and tear down where not possible.
•Fasten large and heavy furniture.
•Secure water heaters.
•Have a fire extinguisher on each floor and have it serviced regularly.

DEVELOP YOUR ABILITY TO RESPOND
(Be ready to be part of the solution.)
•Have enough water, food, and prescription medications for a week.
•Keep a first aid kit.
•Check your "Go Bag" in your car and by your door.

Disaster preparedness is not accomplished overnight. It takes place in a series of small steps taken at home, at work, at school, in your neighborhood and in your region. It is accomplished by actions by individuals, families, organizations, institutions, and government.

The 100th anniversary of the 1906 San Francisco earthquake is not far away. This is a good time to make yourself a promise, and take one of these small steps today.

REFERENCES

American Red Cross (2004) American Red Cross response to "Triangle of Life" by Doug Copp.
Online at _http://www2.bpaonline.org/Emergencyprep/arc-on-doug-copp.html).
Associated Press (2004) July 12. Online at _http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?sectionId=41&id=32725 and _http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=35319&format=Petal, Marla (2004) Urban Disaster Mitigation and Preparedness: The 1999 Kocaeli Earthquake,doctoral dissertation, Department of Urban Planning, UCLA.
State of California, Governor's Office of Emergency Services, (2004) Sept. 7. Memorandum to Operational Area Coordinators. Subject: Duck, Cover and Hold Procedure.
 
Re: Where to be During an Earthquake

~Fabric~ said:
I remember reading about that on the web and it seems that there is a lot of controversy around whether ducking around or under is the best thing. I went to his site (_http://amerrescue.org/)and he says that (paraphrasing here) that the American Red Cross and other agencies are out to defame him because survivors cost insurance companies more money or something. I do remember reading that building codes are different in different countries and developed cities in seismic areas are less prone to complete collapse. Anyway, I found some points that are well worthwhile to consider (bolding mine):

I'm not saying that the triangle of life doesn't work (never actually tried it and don't hope to find out), just some other points to take into consideration.

From _http://www.cert-la.com/RejoinderToDougCopp.pdf

THE NEED FOR AN EVIDENCE-BASIS FOR EARTHQUAKE SURVIVAL TIPS

#1 THE MYTH OF ANTICIPATING THE "TRIANGLE OF LIFE"

If Doug Copp has gotten your attention about earthquake safety, I'd like to address some of the claims he makes that may have piqued your curiosity - because it's always good to hone our ability to think critically - and there are things you can and should do to be safer from earthquakes. Yes, Copp is correct that there are places that after a building collapse are called "triangles of life". These "life safe voids" are the first places that search and rescue workers look for survivors. It's generally true that the larger the object and stronger the less it will compact. But don't be fooled. The force of earthquakes moves large and heavy objects. We don't know a) whether it is possible to anticipate where the life safe voids will be before the collapse, and b) whether it is possible to get there during the strong shaking of an earthquake. What we don't know in advance (but is worthy of research) is the expected collapse patterns in particular buildings or where these life safe voids will be when the shaking stops. If your building tilts in one direction, the "large and heavy object" that you are near, could crush you against the wall....

Copp says "People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles" and that in the Loma Prieta earthquake everyone killed would have survived if they had been able to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them, because of the life - safe void nearby. The problem is similar: observing a crushed car with a life safe void next to it doesn't mean much. The car itself may have moved after the shaking started. There is a lot of evidence of cars and truck overturning in strong shaking. If everyone got out of their cars and got down next to them, a lot of people would be dead or seriously injured from the weight of the car jumping or sliding on them.

While I am no expert, I do have experience in the 1989 7.2 Loma Prieta earthquake. One thing that appears missing from these articles is a person's proximity to the epicenter. Your location to the epicenter impacts your ability to react, in varying degrees, to the shaking (or rolling). As most know, closer to the epicenter one experiences an intense up and down shaking motion - farther away creates the rolling effect mentioned. The rolling effect creates an inability to move in any direction - much like the effect of the old-fashioned fun houses where the floors moved in a rolling fashion making it almost impossible to walk. I was about 12 miles north of the epicenter. During the entire 12 seconds of the earthquake, I couldn't move 2 feet across the floor. Forget running to the outside of the house - I literally could not move. Each time I lifted a foot to walk, the floor moved up and then back down putting me right back where I started - had I known, perhaps crawling would have worked better.

As for large and heavy objects, my sister also lived in the Bay area at the time. Her house was located almost right on top of the epicenter. While her house (wood frame) withstood the shaking and had some structural damage, everything in the house was destroyed - shaken into tiny bits - with the exception of furniture and major appliances. They were found 20 - 30 feet away from their original location. I am unsure what good (or harm) it may have done to crouch next to them.

Most everyone that I spoke to that was driving during those 12 seconds didn't have a chance to react. By the time they realized that they didn't have a flat tire (the feeling you get from the motion of the quake while driving), the earthquake was almost over. And, those unfortunate folks that were driving on the Bay bridges certainly didn't have a chance to get out of their cars and lie next to them.

There was no power for 3 days after the quake. No stores could open and operate so that you could buy food or water, or gasoline for your vehicle. It was like being in a lock down. With that said, there is likely good advice to varying degrees in both articles posted. It boils down to what type of environment you are in as to how you can react to protect yourself. Being prepared is likely the most important thing one can do as referenced at the end of the article.

As always, Awareness is key. There are likely many different experiences from other members here that can add to the overall picture of survival during, and after, an earthquake.
 
Re: Where to be During an Earthquake

Very interesting information in this thread. Even if Doug Copp is not 100% accurate, and even if he (or anyone else) cannot guarantee survival for anyone, the fact that he published this stuff and the subsequent 'rejoinders' that have come out has allowed many more people access to information that could potentially save someone's life in the future.

That's where the value is mostly, osit. Thanks for all this information!
 
Re: Where to be During an Earthquake

On the October 17, @ 5:00 pm on a warm autumn evening I was home out front of the house I lived at, in Oakland California. It was day that was no different than any other day. In four minutes that would all change as I was to witness one of the many but biggest earthquake's I have ever ridden out.

I was working on a motorcycle out front of the home near an entry gate. As I piddled around with the bike I begin to hear what was the rattle of the front gate and thought that some one was trying to gain entry. So I went open the gate when the noise started and the sound of a rumble one like I have never heard befor, shear power in sound.

As the ground stated to vibrate under my feet next came the shock wave. As I turned to look at the house it began to shake like it was having a convolution or like a bowl of jello swimming from the foundation up ward back and forth as the sound grew louder.

At this point aim like a little child awestruck as if with drawl dipping from his face, in shock and awake and terror of the sight. But the house as it stood the test of time would stand the the test and forces of nature and hold its own down till the last second passed. Fourteen long seconds that seemed like eternity. As it was a stick built home from the early 1900's made old growth redwood that had been taken from the area long ago.

I can only say that house swayed back forth and thought for sure it would collapse but the wood structure was flexible and held together. I can only imagine of the results had been brick, mortar stone, or cinder block or mud. That would have laid in a heap of rubble after an event who's epicenter was 70 miles away.

I think that one should consider to know the safe zones in a home that they occupy in the daylight as in the dark. And understand and research the term pancaking and what can prevent that condition in your home. Also a preparedness kit in the home and car with basic essentials such as food, water, warmth, lights, communication devices, first aid. Know how to administer CPR, arterial bleeding, trauma, shock, maintaining an airway, understanding what to do for head injuries etc. etc. A good site for information could be at www.About.com:first aid.

Have in your emergency supplies a radio, and good supply of batteries for AM and FM transmission's, and or a police scanner. As you will want to know whats going on around your areas as well as updates for warnings on pending aftershocks and fires. Information by broadcast stations perhaps might more reliable from public broadcast stations as to commercial for accuracy.

An many are well aware there been have tremendous budget cuts have occurred with in city, county, and state infrastructure regarding personnel, equipment, and resource's. This has also had an impact on the related training that maintain education and the information current in technique's to solve problems in emergency situations.

What that will mean for the average tax payer in the states is that if you need help, to know and understand the system in place to respond to things like building collapse, fire, ambulances, hospital's ,police will be so over taxed that you may not get any response for some time if at all. Like Katrina you will be on your own. In regrades to all the mentioned emergency services. Network your friends,and neighbors in the area for groups do better than solo. And be prepared to shut gas main and water valves as fire's accompany theses events at times. Thoughts on neighborhood fire brigade, as crazy as it sounds may save whole neighborhood from becoming consumed in conflagration if educated and equipped.

On the communication's one thing did happen at that time as cell phones were starting to come into picture (as well as cell towers), was that everybody and his mother tried to call everybody and there mother. That virtually made that option impossible. As the phone system became overloaded on land lines at that time. And no calls could go out or in for 24 hrs. where I was at. This would be the case with cell phones as that the same situation would occur. But I have and keep hearing that people were able to get text messages as to voice calls. So in talking with a friend recently who lives in California, I made suggestion to have prepared text locked into your phone as well as family member's as to speed dial for contact as not leave one in confusion and fear. That if others can't be found if there not near. Messages like What's your 20 ( location), are you safe, are hurt ,are you at a safe zone, etc. as well as yes and no, pretext in the cell phone ready to go at time of need.

And perhaps know that when in this kind condition that there going to ensue the flight or fight syndrome as Adrenaline will kick in and know how to manage it. This is the body's chemical reaction to fear. And even the most battle hardened people still try to maintain the mind and body's reaction to this environment. It will take skill and practice to master. But there in lies the problem, how do you practice for an event like this.

Reading about how other people have managed in crises might bring some knowledge as well a family conference's of what to expect especially for the little ones, to know what to do and where to go like a safe zone.

Ironically I would during that day earlier travel the Cypress Freeway as many people did as it was a main artery to other freeway systems, going north south and into San Francisco.

Emergency Kit
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Emergencies happen, and preparation and response can make a world of difference in the impact they have on you and your family. Having the items you need can be a life saver—figuratively and literally—in the event you have to evacuate your home during an emergency. Create an emergency kit and personalize it for your family’s particular needs. Check it every six months to be sure it is up-to-date.

Basic Kit
Flashlight and extra batteries
First aid kit and first aid reference material
Radio – wind-up or battery-operated, with extra batteries
Local maps
Water – One gallon per person per day for at least three days
Food – At least a three-day supply of non-perishable food
Whistle, to signal for help
Dust mask, to help filter contaminated air
Moist toilettes, garbage bags and plastic ties, for personal sanitation
Wrench or pliers to turn off utilities
Can opener
Contact information for family and friends
Additional items to consider:
Extra clothing and sturdy shoes
ATM and credit cards Cash and change
Prescriptions (enough for a week), along with a list of medications and dosages for each family member and the reason for use
Eye glasses, hearing aids, and other assistive devices (e.g. cane, walker, etc.)
Portable phone Personal hygiene items (e.g. toothbrush, toilet paper, etc.)
Mylar blanket
Keys
Copies of important documents in a waterproof, portable container (e.g. photo ID, insurance cards and policies, bank account records, etc.)
Plastic sheeting and duct tape, to shelter-in-place
Infant formula and diapers
Sleeping bag or warm blanket for each person
Household chlorine bleach and medicine dropper. To use as a disinfectant, dilute nine parts water to one part bleach. Or in an emergency, you can use it to treat water by using 16 drops of regular household liquid bleach per gallon of water. Do not use scented, color safe or bleaches with added cleaners.
Matches in a waterproof container
Fire extinguisher
Mess kit, paper cups, plates, plastic utensils, paper towels
Pencil and paper
Books and activities for children
Written instructions for how to turn off electricity, gas, and water. Remember, you’ll need a professional to turn them back on.


Communication Plan
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Emergencies can happen anytime, and you and your family may not be together when one occurs. Make plans now so you will know how to contact each other in any situation.

Contact information
Make sure each family member carries a cell phone or coins or a phone card so they can make a call.
In some emergency situations it may be easier to make a long distance than a local call. Designate an out-of-town contact who can communicate among separated members. Be sure your contact has information for each member of your family.
Give each person a contact card with names and phone numbers of other family members. The list should also include the out-of-town contact information. Have each person carry the card in their wallet, purse, or backpack at all times.
Give a copy of your contact information to your child’s school to keep on file.
Include a copy of your contact information in your family’s emergency kit.
Preparing children
Talk to your child about how and when to call 9-1-1.
Identify safe places for children and teens to go if they are not at school or with your family in an emergency. These might include a friend’s home, fire or police station, library, or place of worship. Make sure your children know how to find these safe places.
Make sure small children know their phone number and address and your name.
Reuniting with family members
Designate two places for family members to meet in the event of an emergency.
Choose a location close by (for example, the street light in front of a nearby home). Instruct family members to meet there if they can do so safely in situations where only your home or the immediate area is affected.
Choose another spot outside of the immediate area (for example, in front of a grocery store). This could be used when an emergency affects a larger area and your family members cannot get home safely.

Neighbor Helping Neighbor
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Attempting to respond to a disaster by yourself involves an incredible amount of work. You can plan to work together with your neighbors to help reduce the pressures and alleviate the impact disasters can impose in your community. When we all do a little, we can do a lot!

Here are some ways you can get started:
Meet the neighbors. Exchange contact information and discuss how you can prepare for disasters that may occur in your area.
Establish a neighborhood plan. Discuss the steps to take while waiting for help to arrive, and multiple evacuation routes out of your neighborhood.
Discuss what you need. What equipment or supplies can you share in case of emergency (e.g. temporary shelter, power generator, transportation, communication devices, first aid)?
Reveal your skills. Find out who among you has any medical and/or technical skills that may come in handy in an emergency.
Assist those in need. Find out who has children, disabled or elderly, and pets in their home. Decide who will check on special needs neighbors in advance.



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