Indonesia Disasters: When Enough!?

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Just heard of this one:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/e0dcd93a-99bc-11db-8b6d-0000779e2340.html

Airliner missing in Indonesia

By John Aglionby in Jakarta

Published: January 1 2007 17:28

A Boeing 737-400 aircraft with 102 people on board disappeared on Monday en route from the Indonesian city of Surabaya in east Java to Manado, a city on the north-eastern tip of Sulawesi island.

The incident came as Indonesians were mourning the hundreds of passengers still missing after a ferry sank off the coast of Java on Friday night.

The aircraft, belonging to Indonesian budget airline Adam Air, lost contact with controllers at 3.07pm local time, an hour into the two-hour-40-minute flight, when it was in bad weather at 35,000ft over the Java Sea, some 85 nautical miles north-west of Makassar, a city on the south-western corner of Sulawesi. It had four hours’ fuel left at the time.

Airline officials said a Singaporean satellite picked up a distress signal over central Sulawesi and that emergency crews were on their way to search for survivors.

Transportation ministry officials said there had been no reports of any emergency landing being made.

“We don’t know what happened after the plane lost contact," said Ichsan Tatang, a ministry official. “Perhaps tomorrow [Tuesday] we’ll have more news."

Captain Hartono of Adam Air said the aircraft had undergone a thorough safety check three days ago and no problems had been found. The last communication with the pilot was a discussion about the weather, which had been bad across most of western Indonesia for several weeks.

Meanwhile, Indonesia’s health ministry said on Monday night 200 people had been rescued from the ferry that sank on Friday night. The disaster has been blamed on rough weather conditions. At least 400 people remained unaccounted for. The ferry, with more than 600 people on board, sank less than 200 miles from where the Adam Air airliner was last heard from.

Last February one of Adam Air’s aircraft flew for four hours in the wrong direction until it was able to make an emergency landing. The airline blamed a massive failure of navigation and radio equipment for the mishap.
And taking into consideration how much the people of the region have gone through the last few years....

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L30861109.htm

CHRONOLOGY-Disasters to hit Indonesia since 2004
30 Dec 2006 12:49:21 GMT
Source: Reuters

Dec 30 (Reuters) - An Indonesian ferry with at least 600 aboard sank during a stormy night voyage as it travelled between Borneo and Java, officials said on Saturday.

Following is a list of some of the other disasters, man-made and natural, to hit Indonesia since the Asian tsunami of 2004:

Dec 26, 2004 - Nearly 132,000 Indonesians are killed and more than 37,000 listed as missing after a 9.15 magnitude earthquake off Indonesia and a tsunami triggered by it in the Indian ocean region. The global toll reaches nearly 230,000 dead with more than 43,000 missing.

Feb 21, 2005 - At least 96 are killed in landslide that sweeps through two West Java villages near a garbage dump.

March 28, 2005 - Nearly 1,000 are believed killed after a quake of magnitude 8.7 hits the coast of Sumatra.

May 28, 2005 - Explosion rocks a market in eastern Indonesian town of Tentena, on island of Sulawesi, killing 22.

July 20, 2005 - Indonesia confirms first deaths from bird flu. To date the disease has killed 57 people in Indonesia, the world's highest bird flu death toll.

Sept 1, 2005 - Landslide on island of Sumatra kills 14 and leaves more than a dozen missing.

Sept 5, 2005 - Domestic airliner operated by local carrier Mandala Airlines crashes in residential area of Indonesia's third biggest city Medan, killing 102 aboard and 47 local residents in an inferno on the ground.

Oct 1, 2005 - Three bombs rip through popular tourist areas on Indonesian resort island of Bali, killing 23, including three suicide bombers. Around 150 are wounded in attacks at Jimbaran beach and Kuta beach. Attacks came almost three years after 202 people, mainly tourists, are killed in another bombing.

Dec 31, 2005 - Bomb packed with nails explodes in crowded Christian market selling pork ahead of New Year celebrations in eastern Indonesian city of Palu, capital of volatile Central Sulawesi province, killing seven people and wounding 53.

May 15, 2006 - Mount Merapi volcano erupts with clouds of hot gas and rains ash on surrounding areas.

May 27, 2006 - Earthquake rocks area around ancient royal city of Yogyakarta killing at least 5,000 and destroying or damaging 150,000 homes.

July 17, 2006 - A tsunami after a 7.7 magnitude quake in West Java province kills at least 550 people. At least 54,000 people are displaced.

July 19, 2006 - A 6.2 magnitude quake strikes Jakarta and nearby parts of Java.

Dec 30, 2006 - A ferry with at least 600 aboard sinks during a stormy night voyage as it travelled between Borneo and Java.
... it's one of the most bleeding regions of the world. They must dislike this time of year and they have their reasons to. Most deaths are caused by natural disasters!

Is there a line or a place one can call to say "Enough already! Give these people a break!" ? Is it ok to pray for other people? Or is it interfering with their karma, destiny, freewill thing? Sincere question.
 
I really hadn't realized that it was THAT bad until you listed the events as above. Geeze, you are right, something is going on. Kinda makes ya wonder if there are some natural forces involved in this.

Have a look at this gravity image of the earth:

watkins-bumpyearth-browse.jpg


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=11

[...]Q: Why and how does gravity vary around the Earth?

A: Gravity is the attraction between two masses--it is a function of how big they are and how far apart they are. Earth isn't a perfect sphere--it's bumpy. The density of its mass and the distance to that mass varies as you move around Earth's surface. The effect on gravity is small and has mostly to do with the internal structure of Earth and to some extent with its topography.

There's big gravity low off the coast of India, where there are thought to be the remains of some old mantle features associated with the plate tectonics of India that led it to collide with the Himalayas. There's a big high in the South Pacific, also thought to be due to mantle structures.

Q: How do you measure gravity?

A: The basic way to measure gravity is to drop something and watch its trajectory as it falls. That's Newton's law. There's an instrument called a gravimeter that you can use to measure gravity. You can set it on the ground and measure the gravity right at that point. That works pretty well, but there are only so many places in the world where you can go. That's always a problem and why space is advantageous because it covers so much ground.

The way large-scale gravity has been mapped until now is by looking at the orbital motions of satellites, seeing the effects of gravity as they travel around Earth. In fact, one of the earliest discoveries of artificial satellites was the discovery of what we call J3 -- the pear-shaped part of Earth--the difference in gravity between the northern and southern hemispheres. [...]
I don't see anything wrong with praying for others - but I often wonder if praying is not somewhat egotistical - as if one might think that the gravity of the earth cares about the human "bacteria" on its surface.

What is, IS. Knowledge of what is can protect.
 
Also from that article:

The second aspect of gravity that interests scientists is the part that it isn't static -- it varies over time. Some very slow processes inside Earth cause the gravity field to change. For example, the polar caps used to be much bigger. The weight of that ice flattened Earth a bit at the poles. Since that ice melted off, the land is now rebounding--Northern Canada and Scandinavia are rising. Earth is becoming more spherical again, and this change is reflected in the gravity field.

Interesting to see how global warming is having an effect on how spherical the Earth is. Seems to me that would also mean an effect on plate tectonics. The changing stresses might trigger a lot of movement. Perhaps given a detailed map of all the tectonic plates along with the variations of gravity around the globe, they are able to predict where problem areas will be.
 
My opinion is speculation based on the following news story just out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6224747.stm

It seems somewhat strange... many confirmations about plane and crash site found, number of survivors etc. and then "Sorry, it was false alert". What happened? Coverup?

BTW, Laura, I am new to this forum, but I have read most of the wave series and some other articles on the Cassiopaea site. You are doing a good work. Thanks for the information. I also wanted to ask if transcripts from the channelling are available in "order of appereance" and without any additional comments? Are you still in contact with Cassiopaeans? And have you heard about the site operationterra.com / if you have then how do you see it - STS or STO? There is a lot of material, so if you haven't heard about it, you can't make an opinion in a second... I have read those messages and my wishful thinking want's this to be true. Intuition can't make up it's mind :D It looks too good to be true...
 
And what about recent earthquake in Taiwan? Somehow I have a feeling that "communication problems" have some significance or "connection" to this natural phenomena....pure speculation, though.

Communications cut off after powerful earthquake strikes southern Taiwan

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/28/asia/AS_GEN_Asia_Quake_Optional.php

TAIPEI, Taiwan: With one blow, Mother Nature triggered the largest telecommunications outage in years, cutting off or slowing telephone and Internet traffic in Asia from Beijing to Bangkok.

A powerful earthquake off the southern tip of Taiwan late Tuesday damaged up to a dozen fiber-optic cables that cross the ocean floor south of Taiwan. They usually carry traffic between China, Japan, Korea, Southeast Asia, the U.S. and the island itself.

The magnitude-6.7 tremor, which struck near the town of Hengchun, killed two residents of Taiwan and injured more than 40 people.

It also showed the vulnerability of the global telecommunications network.

Chunghwa Telecom Co., Taiwan's largest phone company, said the quake damaged several of the undersea fiber lines, and repairs could take two to three weeks.

Taiwan lost almost all of its telephone capacity to Japan and mainland China. Service to the United States also was hard hit, with 60 percent of capacity lost.

Later, Chunghwa said connections to the U.S., China and Canada were mostly restored, but 70 percent of the capacity to Japan was still down, along with 90 percent of the capacity to Southeast Asia.

Stephan Beckert, an analyst with the Washington-based research firm TeleGeography, said it was the largest telecommunications failure in years.

"The magnitude of the break is surprising because Taiwan is otherwise a very well connected system," Beckert said. He noted that cables get cut and disrupted all the time, but there's usually enough backup capacity on other lines to keep traffic flowing without customers noticing an interruption.

But with multiple cables broken at once, Internet traffic around the Pacific was disrupted. Hong Kong telephone company PCCW Ltd., which also provides Internet service, said the quake cut its data capacity in half. Internet access was cut or severely slowed in Beijing, said an official from China Netcom, China's No. 2 phone company.

The official, who would not give his name, said the cause was thought to be the earthquake, but he had no further details.

The Internet Traffic Report Web site, which monitors Internet connectivity in several countries, showed that packet loss, or the percentage of data that doesn't reach its destination, spiked sharply in Asia at the time of the earthquake, rising from about 10 percent to more than 40 percent.

On Wednesday afternoon U.S. time, the Web site showed limited connectivity to China, Singapore and Indonesia, while Japan and Taiwan were apparently back to normal.

KDDI Corp., Japan's major carrier for international calls, said its fixed-line telephone service was affected by the quake. Company spokesman Haruhiko Maeda said customers were having trouble calling India and the Middle East, which usually use the cables near Taiwan. Maeda said the company was rerouting calls through the U.S. and Europe.

South Korea's largest telecom company, KT, said that the lines it uses were damaged, affecting dozens of companies and institutions, including South Korea's Foreign Ministry.

In the U.S., Cisco Systems Inc.'s Linksys division warned that customer support call centers for its home networking gear were affected by the outage, but other companies with overseas call centers reported few problems.

Molly Faust, a spokeswoman for American Express Co., the global travel and payment card company headquartered in New York, said the company "wasn't experiencing any customer service issues in Asia."

She said that there were "some interruptions" of the company's computer systems in Taiwan, but added: "It didn't impact customers because we could use backup systems and manual processes."

Tyco International Ltd. said it has a Taiwan-based cable-laying ship heading to the area for repairs.

"Pretty much everything south of Taiwan has been reported at fault," said Frank Cuccio, vice president of marine services at Morristown, N.J.-based Tyco Telecommunications.

Cuccio expects the ship to be in position in a few days. It then takes three to five days to repair each cable, but mudslides set off by the earthquake can complicate matters by covering the cables, making them harder to retrieve from the bottom.

Cuccio said the ruptures are more than 10,800 feet below sea level, too deep for the remote-controlled submersibles that otherwise would find the cables. Instead, the ship will drag grapnels along the bottom to find them.

The cables on the deep ocean floor are just two-thirds of an inch, a testament both to the immense data capacity of optical fiber and the fragility of the links that form the global telecommunications network.

___

Svensson reported from New York. AP Business Writer Eileen Alt Powell also contributed to this report.
 
As the C's say, "If it looks too good to be true, it is."
 
That's very weird.... why would ANYONE say that they found the wreckage of a plane if they didn't?? Is a "mistake" like this even possible? what about the relatives and friends of those on the plane? And if it's a cover up, what are they covering up?

from cnn now:

"The search and rescue team is still looking for the location," Transport Minister Hatta Radjasa told El-Shinta radio, according to The Associated Press. He blamed villagers for spreading rumors that the wreckage had been located. "It has not yet been found."

whole article: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/01/02/indonesia.plane/index.html

I know that villagers are pretty busy people actually, who don't have time to make up rumors and spread them like this. What everyone else think?
 
Plane that's missing is one of Adam Air family, a low cost flying company founded, according to wikipedia, by Agung Laksono. Agung Laksono is "the head of Indonesia's People's Representative Council (DPR) from 2004 to 2009. He come from ruling Golkar Party. In December 2004, during the Golkar convention, he was also elected as vice-chairman of the party."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agung_Laksono

It's a very weird wikipedia entry in that it has quite few spelling mistakes and a line that says: Agung is a stronge supporter of Iran's nuclear program

and links to this article: http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-203/0611071878000308.htm

Indonesia parliament strongly supports Iran's rights on nuclear energy
Kuala Lumpur, Nov 6, IRNA

Indonesian House of Representative Speaker Agung Laksono said Indonesian parliament like the government of this country strongly supports Iran's peaceful nuclear technology.

In a meeting with visiting Iran's parliamentary friendship group on Monday, Laksono said," Two months ago, I declared support for Iran's peaceful nuclear technology development even in the USA and in its Senate and House of Representatives."
"We believe there is no need that the USA impose sanction against Iran, because Tehran's nuclear activities are for use in energy and agricultural affairs as Indonesia will do to find an alternative energy for oil," Laksono added.

He also supported the growing trend of parliamentary cooperation between the two countries.

The speaker declared, "I intends to participate in the meeting of Asian Parliaments Association for Peace in Tehran, soon." Head of Iranian parliamentary delegation Hojatoleslam Anoushiravan Mohseni by conveying Majlis Speaker's warm greetings to his Indonesian counterpart, expressed his satisfaction over growing ties between the two countries in recent years.

By elaborating on Iran's nuclear activity, Mohseni appreciated Indonesian government and parliament supports in this concern.

He also praised Indonesian cooperation in international organizations and common positions concerning important issues of Islamic world, like Palestine, Lebanon and the west actions against Islamic sanctities.

The Iranian parliamentary delegation arrived in Jakarta on Thursday evening for a seven-day visit.
I don't know what to make of it but what if this crash is not due to the accumulation of gravity on that part of the globe?

Back to the plane missing, bbc has this to say today:

According to the earlier reports, the plane's debris was believed to have been found in remote terrain near the town of Polewali in western Sulawesi.
The reports said rescue and search teams hiked through heavy rain for hours to reach the wreckage of the Boeing 737.
A number of local officials confirmed 90 bodies had been found, and described debris scattered across a wide area.
rest of article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6224747.stm

and if you check the map of the route the plane was to make in 2 hours, yet halfway through they received a signal and then lost it from radar, it makes sense that it might be recovered when they say it did (but now say it didn't) because it is halfway to where it was destined to arrive.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42403000/gif/_42403291_java_sulaw_map203.gif

Ps: i don't understand half of what he says, but Dr Watkins is kind of handsome, no? :cool:
 
Where did you see Dr. Watkins?

Now that you bring these factors into the equation, maybe there is something up? But that doesn't explain the natural disasters...
 
Laura said:
Where did you see Dr. Watkins?
In the link you posted above.

It is true that the weather has been bad in the region these days and it might have caused the plane to crash, and might make it difficult to locate, even if it got lost in an area where there is land all around. It's not like it got lost in the middle of an aninhabited area or the ocean. i don't know. it's just very weird i think that they called the first report as lie.... It's about the loss of so many lives. It's just too brutal! and then the Iran connection jumped up... and with rushing to hang Saddam... it seems that something is cooking. Something is rushed and Iran is the next thing in the list of the Bush gov. to "cook" before leaving office. Just some thoughts.
 
Aside from the interesting support by Agung of Iran's nuke program, I wonder what the strategic value of Indonesia would be? We already have the Philippines in our back pocket. Adding Indonesia would mean quite a lot of China Sea coast line. In the same vein (and I don't know that vein is pumping anything of value) Iran would give us a nice big chunk of Persian Gulf coastline, especially when combined with our buddies, the Saudis.

On the other hand, the Philippines has been called the "typhoon welcome mat" for Asia. They pretty much all blow through there. Add to that the active volcanoes and fallout from the Marcos regime and you've got a recipe for hard times. Indonesia isn't that far away from the Philippines. It seems like part (if not all) of this can be chalked up to an already difficult area of the world being made worse by global warming and increased seismic activity. Maybe they are acting as sort of the canary in the coal mine.
 
still nothing found...... i remember when the Helios Boeing crushed in August 2005, we all went crazy by the time the lists of passengers were out, calling each and every person we knew to make sure they were ok, that their families were ok... it's a small island. we all knew somebody on that plane. And we went crazy in few hours. Imagine these people now that wait for days!

reuters said:
Anger as Indonesia resumes search for airliner
By Ahmad Pathoni

MAKASSAR, Indonesia (Reuters) - Indonesian rescuers launched new sea, land and air searches on Wednesday for a plane with 102 people aboard as anger grew over inaccurate official statements that its wreckage had been found.

Senior government officials apologised late on Tuesday for erroneously saying the 17-year-old Boeing 737-400, operated by budget carrier Adam Air, had been spotted in the mountains of Sulawesi island after disappearing in heavy rain on Monday.

Early reports that 12 people had survived were also officially denied, and the general air of confusion prompted reactions of shock, dismay and even scorn from families of the missing passengers and crew.

"I feel fooled. This is what I call playing games with the feelings of the victims' relatives," said Peter Tolitton, whose brother was aboard the ill-fated plane.

"If up to the ministerial level the information is inaccurate, we doubt the credibility of the officials," Tolitton, a Jakarta resident who was flown by Adam Air to Makassar, told Reuters.


The missing plane was carrying 96 passengers and six crew. A copy of its manifest showed three passengers as non-Indonesians. The U.S. embassy in Jakarta said they were Americans.

The renewed search effort, in the face of heavy rain and strong winds, was being coordinated from Makassar, Sulawesi's largest city, 1,400 km east of Jakarta.

Transport Minister Hatta Radjasa said military planes had been deployed since daybreak and naval ships sent to the Makassar Strait between Sulawesi and Borneo in case the doomed plane had fallen into the sea.

But as darkness set in across the search area late on Wednesday, there was no news of any sign of the plane or of a crash site.

HELP FROM SINGAPORE, U.S.

Indonesian military officials said the air force had deployed a helicopter and surveillance plane, the navy four aircraft, and the army nearly 300 personnel for the search and rescue effort, and that Singapore would provide a surveillance aircraft and unspecified help would come from the United States.

An Indonesian air force official said aircraft were searching mountainous areas between the Sulawesi coastal town of Majene and Toraja. Much of it is covered with jungle and forest, and transportation and communication facilities can be poor.

South Sulawesi governor Amin Syam said that, besides continuing bad weather, many rescuers were worn out after the efforts made on Tuesday based on the wrong data.

Officials said the mistaken information about the location of wreckage and survivors had come from accounts from a local village that police then relayed to government agencies.

The confusion over the missing plane highlighted the logistical difficulties of dealing with disasters, from quakes and volcanoes to floods and forest fires, in an archipelago of 17,000 islands stretched across an area about as wide as the United States.

The plane lost contact with the ground on Monday about an hour before it was due to land in Manado in North Sulawesi.

Transport officials have insisted the plane, which had clocked up 45,371 flying hours, was airworthy.

The transport ministry said it had last evaluated the plane in December 2005, when it passed all service checks. The aircraft was due to be checked again in late January.

Joseph Umar Hadi, an opposition member of the Indonesian parliament's transport commission, said annual checks on planes operated by budget carriers were "very insufficient".

"Crude competition among operators has created risks unknown by the public, whether it relates to maintenance or management that encourages thrift," he said.

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has ordered a full investigation into the condition of all commercial planes in Indonesia and what went wrong in the Adam Air case, as well as an evaluation of the nation's transportation system.

For that purpose Yudhoyono would form a national team that would look at sea and air transport in particular, with an eye to safety issues, transportation minister Radjasa told reporters late on Wednesday after a meeting with the president.

Adam Air's plane disappeared less than three days after a ferry capsized and sank off Indonesia's main island of Java. Hundreds who were aboard the ferry are still missing.

Ferries are ubiquitous in Indonesia as an inexpensive way to travel among its many islands, while air travel has mushroomed since the industry was liberalised in the late 1990s, enabling privately owned budget airlines to operate.

(With additional reporting by Muklis Ali, Mita Valina Liem and Muara Makarim in Jakarta)


Copyright © 2006 Reuters
 
Indonesian plane crash (again)

http://edition (dot) cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/03/06/indonesia.plane/

A commercial airliner arriving from Jakarta burst into flames Wednesday upon landing at Yogyakarta airport in central Java, an official there told CNN.

The Garuda Airlines Boeing 737-400 appeared to overshoot the runway before flames shot out, and witnesses reported hearing an explosion, according to media reports.

Some 115 passengers were onboard, Andy Mallarangeng, a spokesman for the Indonesian government, told CNN. [...]
This is right after the earthquake yesterday. Don't know what went wrong with the country that it suffers so many disasters in recent years.
 
Indonesian plane crash (again)

Hi hoangmphung,

There was already a discussion on this here started by Irini.
 
Indonesian plane crash (again)

Sorry vulcan59, but that discussion does not refer to the newly crashed 737 (although it may be the better place to discuss it!). :)
 
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