Inuit Knowledge and Climate Change

[Voyageur]

The following was from - Re: Session 12 December 2010 whereby Kniall posted the following: (Mods, if there is a more appropriate place for this then great. Did not want to keep it in the 12 December session).

I've just been watching this documentary about Inuit people's observations on climate change. These people eat basically one thing: meat. No doubt their sharp intellect, survival in harsh conditions and empathetic connection with their environment is integrally related to their diet.

Noticed your post Kniall, and checked it out – thanks.

Having viewed it, Laura is quite accurate with what was said:

Interesting video but it seems to be global warming propaganda.

Having said that, here is the transcript of the documentary. Did not add some of the discussions for the above reasons, although did add a few statements they made about Climate Change.

The end credits perhaps tells the story of the production and the sponsors. The questions to many of the Inuit seemed scripte, imo, to illicit responses, and with perhaps editing taking care of ther things of interest to some. However, they make some statements of interest regardless.

Inuit peoples, especially the elders, do not lie as a rule and they tell things as the see them. Their climate has changed in many respects, their waters have become more toxic, the sky’s over time have deposited further toxins and southerners, as they call them, us, have meddled in their affairs. Mixed into the interviews is a woman who was a Nobel prize nominee, and obviously educated in the southern ways, and is perhaps responsible for leading some of her people with the understanding that it is C02 mostly that is responsible for things, not sure exactly, or it was other scientists filling their ears.

You will see that the people do not hold the scientists in high regard though, and the observations by many elders point to the sun as the main culprit for environment change.

It seemed to me, osit, that there were two conflicting thought streams coming out of this film depending on what you hear, or wanted to hear and who did the telling. However, you would not hear elders discussing past times where it was warm, too, or that it will change again and cool - cycles. This was not the message that the sponsors wanted. As for axis shifts, have not the scientist already told them they are delusional, a trick of the mind - believe there was a recent article on this.

Inuit Knowledge and Climate Change

http://www.isuma.tv/lo/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/movie

Transcript - [] mine.

• Sugar and milk were introduced

[Health]

• [Education] - My father would look at the sky, it seemed he was looking at nothing. But he was observing the environment. That’s what he was doing.

• Our parents and grandparents taught us how to live. Survive on the land and be a good person. These were told to us.

• We were taught to care for wildlife and only harvest what we required.

• Seal – taking fresh meat, liver and fat.

• [Other peoples] - […] and treat us like we know nothing. Inuit culture is oral and we keep knowledge in our minds. Even without texts our culture is full of wisdom.

• Ancestors know the signs – late & early ice by observations.

• Today it is impossible to predict weather.

• 1940 it was extremely cold. The temperature went down to – 60 Celsius.

• [On Sealskin] - Now with mining and climate change the furs have rotten patches and the skin tares easily. Now when you stretch the skin, holes appear as if it were burnt.

• The warming of our climate is connected with the sun. According to my knowledge and research, pollution is like a blanket over our earth. (Sheila Watt-Cloutier – Nobel Prize nominee)

[see end note]

• Early 70’s the ice broke up in June. [they said it followed that trend off and on]

• The land and water are warmer – these are my thoughts

• The polar bear population is expanding – less ice flows

• Bears that are tagged and handled act more aggressively.

[have seen this first hand in other species, too]

• It’s not local hunters who handle them.

• They are constantly tampered with, by southerners.

• All the drugging, being put to sleep, ear tags affecting their hearing. All this meddling is causing problems and making bears malnourished.

[have seen collaring and tracking studies were the animal almost all declined over the winter. It was always chalked up to predators, in the end it was, but because of their rapid declining health. Also, studies that illicit funding generally always have the hypothesis that what they are studying, trying to prove, is declining, not that it is robust; that would not fetch funding, osit]

• I believe these issues are caused by the wildlife biologists. Even with no ice, bears should be able to manage.

• Carcases of overdrugged bears have been found. This was kept secret from our communities until hunters found the bodies. The tranquilizers and use of helicopters is terrible.

[can just imagine, having worked with many biologist, some very good, but many complete armatures, at the mess they can make of things – irrational approaches and lack of common sense].

• Today bears approach and enter our communities. Why? They cannot hear. They inhabit a silent world and helicopters are damaging their hearing. It’s the helicopters? Because of this hearing loss, they hunt now by smell only. It is hunting by smell that draws them into our towns. Polar bears grow up in near silence and their ears are very sensitive.

• There is an old saying I heard as a child: “A bear that escapes being hunted by barking dogs will end up malnourished.”

• Wildlife biologists put radio collars on bears, the effects are horrible. Many times I’ve seen skinny bears, obviously starving to death, because of the radio collars.

• The polar bears neck is long for a reason, it enables hunting seals at their breathing holes. When they are collared, they are unable to hunt properly.

• We still have lots of ice, but even with open water, this has yet to be a problem for the bear and doesn’t effects its hunting. In my opinion, climate change is not adversely effecting the bears today.

• Scientists say with great authority: “Polar Bears are in great decline and will go extinct.” When I am out hunting, I never see these scientists. Not even one!

• Polar Bears cannot be at danger. Even if at sea for a long time, they are not in danger. Because their natural environment is the sea.

• Inuit are lectured: “There’re endangered animals, you must not hunt them!” Inuit do not endanger animals! It’s southerners meddling with Caribou, polar bears and whales that endanger wildlife!

• This handling and tagging is what harms animals! Wildlife biologists are the ones endangering wildlife! Then they suspect Inuit overharvesting as the cause. We are told: “You must not touch protected animals.” Inuit do no harm animals, nor do they cause needless suffering. We love are animals.

• [On leaving early and hunting seal from ice flow edge] - We had an hour of daylight. Today we have a two hour window in which to shoot. This change is noticeable. The daylight is a lot higher on the horizon. […] Where it rises has not changed much, but where the sunsets has shifted way over. Perhaps the earth has tilted on its axis. I am always pondering this and have wanted to talk about these changes to the sun and the environment.

• The earth has changed its tilt. I don’t know exactly when this happened. But I do know the sun used to set close to the highest mountain peak, After the shift, the sun now sets past the highest peak.

• We get heat from our sun after the world tilted. This makes it warmer.

• There is hardly any tongue drifts these days. Tongues are directional markers used for travel. They are formed by the north winds, which has changed. I learned to observe the ground if the stars are not visible. Today, stars also look different. At night, returning from a hunt using the stars, it’s noticeable they are no longer in their proper positions. Our world has changed, land, sky and environment.

• Tongue drifts now point in a different direction. When moving east we cross them sideways. The shifting wind has caused this. […] But East wind is now dominant. In the past we hardly had East wind. East winds are strong and bring bad weather. The east wind is now like the North wind.

• [On Toxins from the south] – Back then there was nothing wrong with the animals. Now, according to what I notice, there’s more and more contamination in Caribou meat. Back then they were all healthy. The food we eat is contaminated with mercury. This is what southerners are telling us. They say we should slow down eating our traditional diet. But this is our traditional food, we just can’t stop eating it. If our food is contaminated, we will be effected, but we have little choice. If the human race is to die off, the we may be the first! Our food is being contaminated by the south.

• We cannot exist purely by making money. If we do not have our environment we cannot survive. Without food we cannot live. This does not apply to just Inuit. The rest of the world does not care enough about this.

• There is then talk by I think Sheila Watt-Cloutier concerning Kyoto protocol ending without some countries signing on.

• [Closing] – Scientists don’t realize the knowledge of our hunters. Hunters knowledge is rich in information and must be included.

• The big money makers in the world are all contributors to climate change. It’s not necessary to chase after money. As Inuit, we never used money. And we always had good food and were healthy. That is what is most important.

On Sheila Watt-Cloutier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Watt-Cloutier

Interesting career and activism. It seems clear where she became an advocate of advancing UN Environmental Climate Change influences, and she may clearly believe the science from this. She may also be using these ideas as a tool for her people’s recognition, for right or wrong; perhaps strategically? She may also be a perfect unknowing tool for the ponerization of her people by others, useful to sow seeds and then the PTB come in and strip them of their rights, their lands, their food – donno.

 

[Laura]

Having viewed it, Laura is quite accurate with what was said:

Interesting video but it seems to be global warming propaganda.

Having said that, here is the transcript of the documentary. Did not add some of the discussions for the above reasons, although did add a few statements they made about Climate Change.<snip>

http://www.isuma.tv/lo/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/movie

Transcript - [] mine.

There was one guy in there who said that the heat was coming from inside the earth. Can you find that one?

 

[Learner]

• Scientists say with great authority: “Polar Bears are in great decline and will go extinct.” When I am out hunting, I never see these scientists. Not even one!

I have also watched this documentary, but this one stood out to me as well. So, most of what scientists claim about global warming in pointing to the poles in general, seems really to be based on assumptions they make in favor of those who fund them - those with an agenda to deceive and vector science away from real observations and connected research with useful results (not just smart ones), that obviously would reveal the truth. This really hits home to me (mostly to one of my many little 'I's that still remained in subconscious denial - mostly psychological denial).

It seemed to me, osit, that there were two conflicting thought streams coming out of this film depending on what you hear, or wanted to hear and who did the telling.

I also noted this. It didn't seem to me like two thought streams, but more of a mix of different opinions. Next to these who said it was the (man-made) pollution of the athmosphere that causes the global warming (that is set up as the message of the film - one [those that are programmed, misinformed, in denial, whatever] could think immediately of CO2 by "pollution", disregarding that global warming frontman Al Gore uses to fly around the globe with jets that produce a lot of pollution) were those who observed the sun, that can be seen as determining factor in climate change very much, as lots of data in articles I have seen on SOTT and elsewhere on the internet does suggest.

But the documentary contains a lot of knowledge also, based on the observations of the elders there, that can be extracted by discernment. I hope, I am not making noise on this, it is just my two cents from my impressions from first watching. :)

 

[Voyageur]

[quote author=Learner]
I have also watched this documentary, but this one stood out to me as well. So, most of what scientists claim about global warming in pointing to the poles in general, seems really to be based on assumptions they make in favor of those who fund them - those with an agenda to deceive and vector science away from real observations and connected research with useful results (not just smart ones), that obviously would reveal the truth. This really hits home to me (mostly to one of my many little 'I's that still remained in subconscious denial - mostly psychological denial).[/quote]

Have worked with lots of biologists, some very methodical and was never under the impression that they set out to deceive and all the really interesting studies always ended up with dwindling university funding. Others studies though seemed so strange and un-throughout that many could not figure out how they could acquire the funding in the first place; perhaps those results where then added to some other data sets, polluting the study somewhere and the scary thing is that nefarious policy may be the result.

Having been asked to retrieve collars from gps coordinates, from over flight data (non data movement) showing where the animals were dead, and after finding a young calf moose with her mother dead by her side, I then vowed to never take part in these collar studies again. :(

I also noted this. It didn't seem to me like two thought streams, but more of a mix of different opinions. Next to these who said it was the (man-made) pollution of the athmosphere that causes the global warming (that is set up as the message of the film - one [those that are programmed, misinformed, in denial, whatever] could think immediately of CO2 by "pollution", disregarding that global warming frontman Al Gore uses to fly around the globe with jets that produce a lot of pollution) were those who observed the sun, that can be seen as determining factor in climate change very much, as lots of data in articles I have seen on SOTT and elsewhere on the internet does suggest.

Yes indeed there were different opinions for sure, but the thoughts streams mentioned seemed to my thinking at the time, like subtly different things some would says that conveyed meaning not perhaps intended by the producers overall edited theme, overlooked perhaps, but very meaningful to those who said it – I donno, but they are a neat bunch of humans and little understood.

[quote author=Laura]There was one guy in there who said that the heat was coming from inside the earth. Can you find that one?
[/quote]

Good memory; indeed it is here @ 26:22 - Inuit man with purple shirt and suspenders with lion type pin – “In the spring, when the lands melts, it happens much sooner. By observing snow patches and ice melting, it’s clear the warming is happening from beneath. The land and water are warmer. These are my thoughts.

 

[Learner]

[quote author=Learner]
I have also watched this documentary, but this one stood out to me as well. So, most of what scientists claim about global warming in pointing to the poles in general, seems really to be based on assumptions they make in favor of those who fund them - those with an agenda to deceive and vector science away from real observations and connected research with useful results (not just smart ones), that obviously would reveal the truth. This really hits home to me (mostly to one of my many little 'I's that still remained in subconscious denial - mostly psychological denial).

Have worked with lots of biologists, some very methodical and was never under the impression that they set out to deceive and all the really interesting studies always ended up with dwindling university funding. Others studies though seemed so strange and un-throughout that many could not figure out how they could acquire the funding in the first place; perhaps those results where then added to some other data sets, polluting the study somewhere and the scary thing is that nefarious policy may be the result. [/quote]

Thank you Parallax for providing your perspective on this issue due to your own experience. I now haven taken also notice on the sidenotes in the transcript, you have made - putting it all in context. I am currently reading Wave I in bookform (and taking notes), where Laura writes about the vectoring of science (in one of her essays that precedes the original wave material) by (Cosmic) "COINTELPRO", and I also saw an opportunity here to try to apply that new knowledge regarding the thoughts, that had derived from both watching the docu as well as reading your post. And Laura's thoughts, the way she conveys things, pretty much resonate inside me and I became somewhat overeager. Therefore I didn't see very clearly. I didn't mean it to generalize all scientists making assumptions in order to deceive. So thank you for pointing this out. I meant it rather that way, that many of them are honest (that is what I assume), but institutions they might do research for may pursue biased agendas - be it consciously, subconsciously or somewhat in between. I have heard of some scientists dropping out because of this, as they can't bear it any longer due to their conscience and commitment to truth. I can imagine this as hard situation, especially if you have to support a family.

The agendas of scientific institutions may be, from my current understanding, biased due to the influence of psychopaths who also highly probable might be on the sources for funds. This might be one aspect of why the really interesting studies' funding is dwindling, as you wrote. And, I agree, there might of course also be a lot of polluted data in place that biases many studies and then determines policies, simply due to a lack of care. And that can suit the psychopaths in power, to use it to reinforce their perception of reality no matter how perverted it may be. OSIT

Having been asked to retrieve collars from gps coordinates, from over flight data (non data movement) showing where the animals were dead, and after finding a young calf moose with her mother dead by her side, I then vowed to never take part in these collar studies again. :(

This is absolutely understandable. The data of the collared polar bears from the film and what you conveyed of your own experiences is quite saddening.

Yes indeed there were different opinions for sure, but the thoughts streams mentioned seemed to my thinking at the time, like subtly different things some would says that conveyed meaning not perhaps intended by the producers overall edited theme, overlooked perhaps, but very meaningful to those who said it – I donno, but they are a neat bunch of humans and little understood.

However, the different opinions I mentioned were just my impression by my own perception either at the time watching. In hindsight, it also seems like two streams of thought to me, that also do get mixed up at points. Take the Nobel Piece Price nominee for example - this Sheila Watt-Cloutier - she claims the pollution [of the "Southeners"] responsible at first (man-made climate change) and then the sun ([cosmic] environment):

• The warming of our climate is connected with the sun. According to my knowledge and research, pollution is like a blanket over our earth. (Sheila Watt-Cloutier – Nobel Prize nominee)

I followed the wikipedia link you had given - she got a lot of honours indeed. Maybe she is really a perfect tool for ponerisation: She is "calming" both sides of discussion down - the climate warming one as well as the environmental observers, all the while pursuing the global warming agenda and pleasing the PTB (whoever who supports her) through this. That was my impression from the whole thing, however.

And yes, among the knowledge of Inuit people through observing their environment seeping through were (to me) amazing things. Besides the remark of heat coming from inside of the earth that Laura stated (that wasn't noticed by me on the film), I also noted someone talking about an altered solar altitude (found this particular interesting) - contained in your transcript:

Today we have a two hour window in which to shoot. This change is noticeable. The daylight is a lot higher on the horizon. […] Where it rises has not changed much, but where the sunsets has shifted way over. Perhaps the earth has tilted on its axis. I am always pondering this and have wanted to talk about these changes to the sun and the environment.

• The earth has changed its tilt. I don’t know exactly when this happened. But I do know the sun used to set close to the highest mountain peak, After the shift, the sun now sets past the highest peak.

A commenter wrote at the website of the docu:

I live in Metro Vancouver and I also noticed the change of wind, it is now coming from east and south when before it was always north and west. 10 years ago the sun would not come into my living room in October, but now it is flooding my house with light. Very unusual. Thank you, what a wonderful documentary.

EDIT: Pharagraphing of text

EDIT II: Emphasis in last quote

 

[rrraven]

The agendas of scientific institutions may be, from my current understanding, biased due to the influence of psychopaths who also highly probable might be on the sources for funds.

here in oz the doco starts with an advertisement for carbon reduction
so maybe the producers used the title and the bit with Sheila Watt-Cloutier to get the funding for it and get the message out ''under the noses of the warming mongers'' so to speak,who may not even watch it ,or all of it ,because they assume they already know what the inuit will say...Sheila is a the beginning and the bit about the polar bears is near the end

 

[Bluestar]

The important part for me was how the Inuit people use a watchful eye on their environment. And they continually used the word environment. It was the first thing they did in the morning and the last thing they did at night. Their whole life was around the weather. For them to notice such a"climate change" as they put it, is an important clue. The way the sun sets now for them and the change in wind direction can be used as a tool. As some of elders stated at the end, they have to adapt to these changes.

Just have to separate the propaganda from the subtle hints for us to see how important it is to keep a watchful eye.