Is 4th Density Highest Level for STS Entities?

[Myth of Myself]

Hello All,

I was wondering what your take is on a topic in the channeled materials that I have found conflicting into on. From Laura's book I'm reading (The High Strangeness of Dimensions, Densities, and the Process of Alien Abduction) there is a passage from page 226 that reads,

"Lizard beings and Greys are both living in the forth level of density, which is the highest level of density one can exist in serving only self as these entities do."

I have also seen it referred to in many other passages from the channeled material that 4th density is the highest density that one can be STS.

Yet here is a passage from the channeled material
(session 941205 from the list found here _http://perceval.netfirms.com/sessions/sessions.htm)
that talks about STS 6th density beings from Orion,

"Q: (L) Are the 6th density STS individuals that you indicated are the
Orions, these are the same beings, I understand, that genetically
engineered or created mankind, is that correct?
A: No.
Q: (L) Are they the first to alter us after creation?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Are the 6th density Orions known as Transient Passengers?
A: Yes. "

How can 6th density STS beings exist when STS entities aren't supposed to be able to exist past 4th density?

Any ideas?

 

[Nienna]

Hi MoM,

Here is an excerpt of a session that may answer your question.

Q: (V) So there is no reason to step back. (T) Who eats the
Lizzies on the 4th level?
A: No one. 4th is the last density for full manifestation of STS.
Q: (T) So, beings on the 5th and 6th level exist in pure
energy?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) The 4th level is the last for full STS. Does that mean
that the 5th level, which you have described as the
"contemplative" level... what is the state of existence of a STS
being on the 5th level?
A: Souls of 1,2,3, and 4 go to 5th.
Q: (T) So 5th level is where they go to while waiting to go
back to one of the 4 for their next incarnation?
A: Exactly.
Q: (T) That is why it's called the contemplation level. You go
and think about what you have done. (T) What about souls
on 6th density? (L) Are there 6th density STS beings?
A: No, when you get to 6th you no longer need to recycle.
Q: (L) But still, is there an STS experience at 6th density, like
the 6th density Orions?
A: These are only reflections of individuals, not unified entities.
These reflections exist for balance. They are not whole
entities, just thought forms.
Q: (L) Are these 6th density beings what the Bible describes
as a "gathering" of angels as in the story of Job where
"Lucifer" came in before the Lord...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, there are STS and STO at 6th density which
balance? And they are just there, they exist?
A: Reflection for balance.

 

[Lauranimal]

Good question and answer!

I too have been wondering a somewhat related question.

When all entities from 1-4 go to 5th density, are they aware in 5th of having been either STO or STS? ... and/or ... Do they identify themselves within 5th-D as either STO or STS? And then ... Are they aware within 5th-D of making a choice to return with the conscious intention of becoming one or the other? (assuming that those who exist in a variable physicality can 'die')

Or perhaps, as long as we are stuck in the learning cycle of 1 through 4-D, it is a given that we are STS oriented with the potential and maybe even the goal of becoming STO which only becomes possible in 4-D, and may ultimately be the purpose of all these 'lessons!'. And I word it in such a way because I do not want to come from the positionality of assuming that everybody wants or prefers to become of STO, just because that is my own leaning.

I suppose I could have posted this in the Questions for the C's segment. And I did indeed do a search about 5-D. There are SOOOOO many posts to read through, most of which seem irrelevant to my above questions. So, that being said, if I have missed a post where all of this has already been covered, my apologies; and my gratitude to anyone who might be willing to re-direct me.

I am reading as much as I can get my hands on, and when I have questions, I do a search and get distracted down many avenues for literally hours! I have read the Wave series on line and also the Adventures w/C's, and many other articles on psychopathy, many of Laura KJ's blogs, many forum postings ... and I find myself wishing I could devote every second of my time to reading and researching and taking part in the great Conversation / Learning that is happening here.

It is humbling.

I just ordered Political Ponerology from QFG, and cant wait for it to arrive!!! Meanwhile, I have started to read Jessup's, The Case for the UFO ... which was available from QFG as a free download (THANK YOU!!!). And the reason I chose that is because in all of my LKJ reading thus far, the thing I have yet to truly wrap my mind around is the idea of Ultra-terrestrials. I have an open mind. It so far looks very convincing! But it is definitely way out of my own realm of experience or of any one that I personally know. (and from what I can tell, that has got to be a good thing! I feel for those who have suffered such traumatic experiences.) But I do want to develop an understanding of it because it seems crucial to the entire working theory that has been developed here.

Sorry to have gotten off the scope of the original question, and please feel free to add my post to a different thread if it seems more appropriate. Still learning my way around and for the reminder that I know I will be given, "read more ... post less", I can barely contain my curiosity! And for all that I ask in guidance from others ... I do indeed hope that I will be able to make some kind of worthy contribution along the way, even if I cannot converse at the intellectual level of quantum physics. <----- I am still wicked curious about it and want to understand it!!!

Thanks for your patience.
Laura T

 

[Beau]

I just ordered Political Ponerology from QFG, and cant wait for it to arrive!!! Meanwhile, I have started to read Jessup's, The Case for the UFO ... which was available from QFG as a free download (THANK YOU!!!). And the reason I chose that is because in all of my LKJ reading thus far, the thing I have yet to truly wrap my mind around is the idea of Ultra-terrestrials. I have an open mind. It so far looks very convincing! But it is definitely way out of my own realm of experience or of any one that I personally know. (and from what I can tell, that has got to be a good thing! I feel for those who have suffered such traumatic experiences.) But I do want to develop an understanding of it because it seems crucial to the entire working theory that has been developed here.

On that topic, you may be interested in the works of John Keel, best known for his book The Mothman Prophecies. It is in his other works, though, where he tackles the idea of ultra-terrestrials. You can read more about it in these threads:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12736.0
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13297.0

 

[Lauranimal]

Many thanks, oh Horn-ed one! (What an inspiring Avatar!)

I will check out those threads.

~Lar

 

[Psalehesost]

When all entities from 1-4 go to 5th density, are they aware in 5th of having been either STO or STS? ... and/or ... Do they identify themselves within 5th-D as either STO or STS?

They might be aware, if sufficiently advanced (some point in 3D-development?) of the result in alignment of the prior lives. They are also in terms of alignment the sum of their accomplishments, in whatever directions. In short, alignment is not affected by transitioning across densities.

The strongest alignment of STS and STO prior to 6D would be in a final 5D stage just before graduation, a matter of accumulating the needed "weight", so to say. The STO being graduates to 6D STO, the STS being (in what Ra notes as being a "very compact" state) either (according to C's) collapses like a black hole (regenerating at 1D) or (according to Ra) re-aligns to STO so as to progress further in 6D, as it is not otherwise possible.

And then ... Are they aware within 5th-D of making a choice to return with the conscious intention of becoming one or the other? (assuming that those who exist in a variable physicality can 'die')

Probably varies. STS and STO-polarizing beings beyond some point (?) may plan self and other-service respectively.

Or perhaps, as long as we are stuck in the learning cycle of 1 through 4-D, it is a given that we are STS oriented with the potential and maybe even the goal of becoming STO which only becomes possible in 4-D, and may ultimately be the purpose of all these 'lessons!'. And I word it in such a way because I do not want to come from the positionality of assuming that everybody wants or prefers to become of STO, just because that is my own leaning.

Not sure if STS and STO orientation exists in the same sense in 1D and 2D - at any rate, it does not seem to do so as a conscious choice. Earth specifically (among others of its kind) is an STS-environment, meaning that it has STS life, but 3D, to my understanding, is where the choice of alignment- which one to strive for - is made (the choice often becoming known to oneself after one is already well along one's path, according to Ra).

 

[Lauranimal]

Thanks Csayeursost,

That was very helpful. Still open to other comments and ideas on this, but what you said makes a good deal of sense.

Thanks again.
~Lar

 

[combsbt]

When all entities from 1-4 go to 5th density, are they aware in 5th of having been either STO or STS? ... and/or ... Do they identify themselves within 5th-D as either STO or STS? And then ... Are they aware within 5th-D of making a choice to return with the conscious intention of becoming one or the other? (assuming that those who exist in a variable physicality can 'die')

Q: (L) Are human beings entrapped in physical matter?
A: By choice.
Q: (L) Why did they make this choice?
A: To experience physical sensations. It was a group mind
decision.
Q: (L) Who was in charge of the group?
A: The group.
Q: (L) Does the interaction between the spirit/soul and the
body physical produce some by-product that is desirable to
other beings?
A: Well, all things have desirable consequences as well as
undesirable consequences, but it must also be mentioned
here that everything that exists in all realms of the universe
can experience existence in one of only two ways. That
would be defined as a long wave cycle and a short wave
cycle. Going back to your previous question about why
humans are "entrapped" in physical existence, which, of
course, is voluntary and chosen, this was due to the desire to
change from the long wave cycle experience of completely
what you would call ethereal or spiritual existence, to the
short wave cycle of what you call physical existence. The
difference is that a long wave cycle involves only very
gradual change in evolution in a cyclical manner. Whereas a
short wave cycle involves a duality. And this is the case with
souls in physical bodies as is experienced on this earth plane
because the soul experiences an ethereal state for half the
cycle and a physical state for the other half of the cycle.
While these halves are not measured in time the way you
measure time, the totality of experience is equal in each half.
The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought
about through nature through the natural bounds of the
universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience
physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.

From what I gather, we are all STS by choice. And we may choose STO if the frequency is right and provided that it is in you to do it. You will do what it is in you to do.

 

[Bosphorus1982]

very good information. i would like to add sth.

5D, you know is the density of wisdom. So to acquire it, even not completely, entity returns to itself and begins to seek wisdom in itself.

For this , a soul is in contemplation zone.

 

[domi]

... the thing I have yet to truly wrap my mind around is the idea of Ultra-terrestrials.

I can recommend the books by John A. Keel on that subject as well.
See http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12736.msg97591#msg97591 on how to get them.

Dominique