Is China Ready To Pull The Plug?

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The following is a pretty good article about some of the factors that are in place, and setting the stage for, Economic Collapse in the US.

From here: _http://www.alt-market.com/articles/266-is-china-ready-to-pull-the-plug

There are two mainstream market assumptions that, in my mind, prevail over all others. The continuing function of the Dow, the sustained flow of capital into and out of the banking sector, and the full force spending of the federal government are ALL entirely dependent on the lifespan of these dual illusions; one, that the U.S. Dollar is a legitimate safe haven investment and will remain so indefinitely, and two, that China, like many other developing nations, will continue to prop up the strength of the dollar indefinitely because it is “in their best interest”. In the dimly lit bowels of Wall Street such ideas are so entrenched and pervasive, to question their validity is almost sacrilegious. Only after the recent S&P downgrade of America’s AAA credit rating did the impossible become thinkable to some MSM analysts, though a considerable portion of the day-trading herd continue to roll onward, while the time bomb strapped to the ass end of their financial house is ticking away.

The debate over the health and longevity of the dollar comes down to one very simple and undeniable root pillar of economics; supply and demand. The supply of dollars throughout the financial systems of numerous countries is undoubtedly overwhelming. In fact, the private Federal Reserve has been quite careful in maintaining a veil of secrecy over the full extent of dollar saturation in foreign markets in order to hide the sheer volume of greenback devaluation and inflation they have created. If for some reason the reserves of dollars held overseas by investors and creditors were to come flooding back into the U.S., we would see a hyperinflationary spiral more destructive than any in recorded history. As the supply of dollars around the globe increases exponentially, so too must foreign demand, otherwise, the debt machine short-circuits, and newly impoverished Americans will be using Ben Franklins for sod in their adobe huts. As I will show, demand for dollars is not increasing to match supply, but is indeed stalled, ready to crumble.

China, being the second largest holder of U.S. debt next to the Fed, and the number one holder of dollars within their forex reserves, has always been the key to gauging the progression of the global economic collapse now in progress. If you want to know what’s going to happen tomorrow, watch what China does today.

Back in 2005, China began a low profile program to issue government debt denominated in the Yuan, called Yuan bonds, or “Panda Bonds”. This move was almost entirely ignored by establishment economists. They should have realized then that China was moving to strengthen the Yuan, expand its use in other markets, and recondition their economic structure away from export dependency and towards consumerism (as they have done with the establishment of the ASEAN trading bloc). Of course, in the MSM at that time, there was no derivatives bubble, no credit crisis, no debt implosion. America was on cloud nine. China, through inside knowledge, or perhaps a crystal ball, knew exactly what was about to happen, and insulated itself accordingly by generating distance between its system and the soon to derail retail based society of the U.S. This dynamic has not changed since the 2008 bubble burst, and Chinese activity is still the ultimate litmus test for economic volatility.

Today, there is widespread confusion in markets over the direction of America’s financial future. In the wake of the credit downgrade, most investors unaware of the bigger picture are desperately clinging to any and every piece of news no matter how trivial, every rumor from the Fed, and every announcement from the government no matter how empty. China’s economic news feeds have been tightly regulated and filtered, even more so than usual (which is cause for concern, in my opinion), while distractions in Europe abound. Let’s take a step by step journey through these issues, and see if we can’t produce some clarity…

U.S. versus EU: A Game Of Hot Potato…To The Death?

The theatrical seesaw between the U.S. and Europe is not only becoming obvious to the most narrow of economic analysts, it is also becoming kind of boring. The entire ordeal has been subversively exploited as a false example of systemic “contagion”, and with purpose; global banks need to convince average Americans and average Europeans that destabilization in one portion of the world will automatically lead to destabilization everywhere. This concept is true only so far as forced globalization and centralization have made it true. That said, the charade has been somewhat effective in conditioning the populace with ideas of collectivist survival. In other words, we are being trained to take fiscal responsibility for countries outside of our sovereign national boundaries as if we are morally tied to every penny they have or do not have (global socialism/feudalism - here we come!). This process is culminating in worldwide harmonization through fear as well as guilt.

What we are witnessing is NOT contagion. Instead, we are seeing multiple and mostly separate collapses activated simultaneously. Each nation suffering dire straights in Europe is doing so because of its own particular financial problems, not the problems of other countries nearby, and certainly not those of countries on the other side of the world. Contagion arguments are only applicable to those economies overly dependent on exports, yet, China has already shown (at least in the case of the U.S.) that such dangers can be controlled by minimizing exposure to the poisoned portions of the system and reverting to more internalized wealth creation.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and the heads of World Bank and IMF have perpetuated the lie of contagion between the U.S. and the EU primarily to service the progress of globalization, but also to hide the inflationary effects of dollar devaluation. While the greatest threats are stacked squarely against America’s economy and the dollar, somehow we have been led to focus on the comparatively less explosive drama in the EU. U.S. dollars, as well as Chinese funds, are flooding into Europe to support the region, while investment in the U.S. and its debt weakens and disappears. In the meantime, a weaker Euro makes the dollar look more attractive (at least on paper), but in reality, both currencies are on the path to bloody hari-kari.

How much longer can this game of hot potato go on? Again, China decides. Eventually, China is going to have to choose which currency to support; the dollar or the euro. Supporting both is simply not an option, especially when the chance of collapse in both currencies is so high. So far, the most logical path has been the euro. While the EU may suffer an astonishing breakdown, we must take into account that our own Treasury and central bank have seen fit to throw trillions of dollars into propping up Europe (with even more on the way):

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/15/us-eurozone-idUSTRE78B24R20110915

With so much inflation and devaluation being thrust upon the dollar in the name of saving the EU, China’s move towards a stronger economic relationship with Europe at the expense of the U.S. is a no-brainer:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-14/china-willing-to-buy-bonds-from-sovereign-debt-crisis-nations-zhang-says.html

If I were to place a bet on who would come out of the crisis less damaged, my money would be on the EU, everyone else’s money certainly seems to be…

China Discreetly Moving To Dump U.S. Debt

China has been tip-toeing towards this for years, and has openly admitted on numerous occasions that they plan to institute a break from U.S. debt and the dollar in due course. Anyone who continues to argue that a Chinese decoupling from America’s economy is impossible at this point is truly beyond hope. Though increasingly more rare, news on China’s push to drop the U.S. still leaks out. Recently, a top advisor to China’s central bank let slip that a plan is in place to begin “liquidating” (yes, they said liquidate) their U.S. Treasury bonds as soon as possible, and reposition national investments into more physical assets:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100011987/china-to-liquidate-us-treasuries-not-dollars/

But let’s step back for a moment and pretend China hasn’t told us exactly what it is going to do time and time again. Instead, let’s look at the fundamentals.

The primary concern in China right now is inflation. Because China does not yet have the ability to export its fiat to other markets the way the U.S. does, its own liquidity injections in the face of the credit crisis have led to severe price increases. In August alone, overall inflation was rated at 6.2% (always double government produced numbers to get true inflation). Food prices jumped 13.4%, while meat and poultry jumped 29.3%. Because these numbers are around 1% lower than in previous months, the Chinese government has prematurely proclaimed a “cooling period”:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/china-business/8751482/China-inflation-cools-as-food-price-rises-slow.html

With harsh inflation continuing unabated, eventually, the Asian nation will be forced to enact abrupt policies. This will likely take the form of a strong Yuan valuation, or a “floating” of the Yuan. A sizable increase in the value of the Chinese currency is the ONLY way that the government will be able to combat rising prices. By increasing the buying power of its citizens, the government allows them to keep pace with rising prices, and eases the tension within the populace which could otherwise lead to civil unrest. For China to ensure that a floating of the Yuan will lead to a much higher value, their forex and treasury holdings will have to fall. Period.

A dumping of the dollar will give the Chinese room to breath, and this space will be needed very soon. The debt ceiling deal made by Congress in the aftermath of the credit downgrade left the rest of the world unimpressed. While the MSM tries to make us forget that this event ever occurred, most foreign investors have not. Markets are anxiously awaiting an announcement from the Fed for further liquidity injections. If this announcement is not made after meetings next week, then it will certainly be made before the end of the year. Ironically, the same quantitative easing that investors are clamoring for today is liable to become the final signal for China to cut its losses and separate from U.S. securities completely. China has been positioned for many months now to take such measures…

Lights Out…

Delusions of Chinese dependency on the U.S consumer still abound, and those who suggest a catastrophic dump of U.S. debt and dollars in the near term are liable to hear the same ignorant talking points we have heard all along:

“The Chinese are better off with us than without us…”

"China needs export dollars from the U.S. to survive…”

“China isn’t equipped to produce goods without U.S. technological savvy…”

"America could simply revert back to industry and production and teach the Chinese a lesson…”

“The U.S. could default on its debts to China and simply walk away…”

“The whole situation is China’s fault because of their artificial devaluation of the Yuan over the decades…”

And on and on it goes. Though I have deconstructed these arguments more instances than I can count in the past, I feel it my duty to at least quickly address them one more time:

U.S. consumption of all goods, not just Chinese goods, has fallen off a cliff since 2008 and is unlikely to recover anytime soon. China has done quite well despite this fall in exports considering the circumstances. With the institution of ASEAN, they barely need us at all.

China is well equipped to produce technological goods without U.S. help, and if Japan is inducted into ASEAN (as I believe they soon will be), they will be even more capable.

America will NOT be able to revert back to an industrial based economy before a dollar collapse escalates to fruition. It took decades to dismantle U.S. industry and ship it overseas. Reeducating a 70% service based society to function in an industrial system, not to mention resurrecting the factory infrastructure necessary to support the nation, would likely take decades to accomplish.

If the U.S. deliberately defaults on debt to China, the global reputation of the dollar would implode, and its world reserve status would be irrevocably lost. We won’t be teaching anyone a “lesson” then.

Yes, China currently manipulates its currency down, but then again, so does the U.S. though quantitative easing. Both sides are dirty. Taking sides in this farce is pure stupidity...

Now that all that has been cleared up (again), the primary point becomes rather direct; the reason it is difficult to predict an exact time frame for an American collapse is because all the pieces are in place to trigger an event right now! There are, of course, stress points within the system that set a time limit, even on global banks and China, but a full spectrum catastrophe is not only a concern for some distant future. Every element needed for the so called “perfect storm” is ever present and ready to ignite at a moments notice. The destructive potential coming from China alone is undeniable. Everyday that the spark is subdued should be treated as a gift, an extra 24 hours of education and preparation. This is how close we are to the edge. It is not for us to be alarmed, but to be ready, and ever aware.


You can contact Brandon Smith at: brandon@alt-market.com
 
I still don't think it's in China's interest to destroy the dollar. Where else will they put their money, now that the Euro looks to be in worse shape than the dollar. Plus, plunging the U.S. economy into depression will cause social turmoil in China, since they really are dependent on exports to U.S. and also the rest of the world which would also be plunged into depression if the U.S. is.
 
Mr. Premise said:
I still don't think it's in China's interest to destroy the dollar. Where else will they put their money, now that the Euro looks to be in worse shape than the dollar.

The writer is saying that China will bet on Europe because the dollar is intrinsically weaker. He could be right, consider for a moment that the US media may be covering Europe's financial woes so heavily in order to take the heat off of the US's slow motion train wreck. But I couldn't say I know for sure which is worse.

Mr. Premise said:
Plus, plunging the U.S. economy into depression will cause social turmoil in China, since they really are dependent on exports to U.S. and also the rest of the world which would also be plunged into depression if the U.S. is.

The writer is also saying that China may not be as dependent on the US as most think and that the idea that China needs the US so much is a big misnomer. If this is true, and to be believed, then another way to look at it may just be that China is reading the writing on the wall - acting in its best interest - and not so much against the US as for its own prosperity and 'survival'.

Just speculating here, but on another level completely, it is interesting to consider that China's possibly taking future actions ie. 'pulling the plug', may be used as a pretext (and made part of the narrative) for even greater conflagrations - which may fit into part of a grand plan for all-out world war. The C's once alluded to China doing things behind the scenes to prepare itself militarily and I always thought that it hinted towards an eventual showdown with the US, so maybe this all fits in?
 
The pieces have been in place for many years for China to take action. I was reading very rational and well written pieces five or six years ago that made a good case for why China would dump their US holdings. My thoughts are that the global financial system would come fully apart with China dumping its holdings. I just don't see them doing it in the near term based on things I've read. I think it is to there advantage to just ride out the slow death of the US monetary and financial system. Maybe the guy saying that they will "liquidate" soon is the Chinese government trying to shake the tree a bit and see what kind of reaction they get. Statements have been made before by China that had language in it that wasn't as strong, but nothing really happened from it that I saw.

Also, I don't think the author takes into account how interwoven US, Europe and other debt is, meaning that the big banks own pieces of all the countries that are in trouble and the problem of derivative implosion that we saw in part happen in 2008. AIG as an example. I do think there is a possibility of a domino affect that people term as contagion. Maybe it is overblown and I don't agree with what is being done now in the US and Europe and haven't since I realized what was really happening with debt, money and finance in general. I say clear the debt and default and start from scratch, but that isn't in the best interest of the money elite. They want control as well as the money, so they push austerity to the countries having problems. The politicians aren't listening to the people with Iceland being I think the exception. Fraud is the best word for it and the old boy network I think is trying bleed the system and institute more control while at the same time trying to keep the system from crashing so they can suck as much profit out of it.

I think that there is also a case to be made that China or any other country thinking about threatening the stability of the US is afraid to do so. If the C's are correct about the secret US government being able to induce earthquakes or turn skyscrapers to dust and rubble from space that China might not be so willing to kick the hornets nest per se.
 
Bear said:
I think that there is also a case to be made that China or any other country thinking about threatening the stability of the US is afraid to do so. If the C's are correct about the secret US government being able to induce earthquakes or turn skyscrapers to dust and rubble from space that China might not be so willing to kick the hornets nest per se.

I don't know how closely elements of the US SG are coordinated with elements of the old boy financial network. They could be working closely together or they can be compartmentalized and working at cross purposes. But the following story about a missle being shot off near the coast of California about a ten months ago, if it's true, may point to showing China's new-found resolve in this situation.

_http://theintelhub.com/2010/11/11/wayne-madsen-china-fired-missile-seen-in-southern-california/

Wayne Madsen: China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California

Wayne Madsen Report
Nov 11, 2010

China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia.

The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama. The day after the missile firing, China’s leading credit rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating, downgraded sovereign debt rating of the United States to A-plus from AA. The missile demonstration coupled with the downgrading of the United States financial grade represents a military and financial show of force by Beijing to Washington.

The Pentagon spin machine, backed by the media reporters who regularly cover the Defense Department, as well as officials of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and the U.S. Northern Command, is now spinning various conspiracy theories, including describing the missile plume videotaped by KCBS news helicopter cameraman Gil Leyvas at around 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, during the height of evening rush hour, as the condensation trail from a jet aircraft. Other Pentagon-inspired cover stories are that the missile was actually an amateur rocket or an optical illusion.
 
This may be :offtopic: but it is related to the coming possible globale economic collapse, and what is pulling the strings to this designed condition.

Bear said:
Also, I don't think the author takes into account how interwoven US, Europe and other debt is, meaning that the big banks own pieces of all the countries that are in trouble and the problem of derivative implosion that we saw in part happen in 2008. AIG as an example. I do think there is a possibility of a domino affect that people term as contagion. Maybe it is overblown and I don't agree with what is being done now in the US and Europe and haven't since I realized what was really happening with debt, money and finance in general. I say clear the debt and default and start from scratch, but that isn't in the best interest of the money elite. They want control as well as the money, so they push austerity to the countries having problems. The politicians aren't listening to the people with Iceland being I think the exception. Fraud is the best word for it and the old boy network I think is trying bleed the system and institute more control while at the same time trying to keep the system from crashing so they can suck as much profit out of it.

I think that there is also a case to be made that China or any other country thinking about threatening the stability of the US is afraid to do so. If the C's are correct about the secret US government being able to induce earthquakes or turn skyscrapers to dust and rubble from space that China might not be so willing to kick the hornets nest per se.

From session November 25, 1995
http://www.cass.h1.ru/sessions/951125.html

Q: (L) Enough. The other day I experienced one of those extended
pre-sleep states, and it seemed that I was in a class and there was
someone explaining things to me. What they were telling me was
that during this Christmas season, certain steps would be taken by
those controlling the economy, and that after Christmas, in January
and February, a whole lot of stuff was going to be put into motion to
send the economy into a dive of major proportions. It was not clear
that it was THIS
year, but that it was right after Christmas. Can you tell me where this
information was coming from, and what was I experiencing?
A: This is a long and complicated subject, but we will do our best to
explain it. What you were seeing was one possible future. The
economy of our 3rd density
world is entirely manufactured. The forces that control it are both 3rd
density and 4th density. There are conflicting opinions in the 3rd
density sector right now as to when, where, and how to institute an
economic depression.
This has been "in the works" for quite some "time" as you measure
it. So far, the forces arguing against institution of a collapse have
prevailed. How long this condition will be maintained is open to
many outcomes. Also, please be aware that the state of the
economy is entirely an illusion. In other words, the world economy
performs solely based upon what the population is told to believe.
Q: (L) Well, that is all fine and good except for one fact that I have
been observing lately, and that is that prices continue to go up, and
wages for the average person do not. I watch prices, and they have
been jumping in a very erratic and frightening way. I know for a fact
that people simply cannot afford to live. A large segment of the
population cannot, that is.

A: Nobody who obeys the "rules" can afford to "live," but if you
refuse to play the game as you are told to, you will do quite well,
indeed.
Q: (L) Okay. What do you mean by not playing by the rules? What
rules?
A: The best way for us to answer that is for you to think out loud,
and wait for our responses.
Q: (S) Rule one would be working at a regular job, 9 to 5, or 40
hours, whichever, and saving all your money and putting it in the
bank.
A: Wait, one at a time.
Q: (L) Okay. The first one is that you have to have a "regular job."
A: "Trap" number one!
Q: (S) Rule number two is that you have to save your money.
A: You save your money by multiplying it, not storing it.
Q: (L) Are you saying that putting it in a bank is "storing" it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are you saying that money is only "saved" if it is multiplied?
A: Yes. When you store it in the bank, you are helping the
Brotherhood AKA Illuminati AKA Antichrist multiply it for itself, all you
get is the "crumbs" left over.

Rabidmutt.com
http://www.rabidmutt.com/?p=465

People Of Earth: Prepare For Economic Disaster
Now the World Economic Forum says that we need to grow the total amount of debt by another 100 trillion dollars over the next ten years to “support” the anticipated amount of “economic growth” around the world that they expect to see.

The entire global financial system is a gigantic Ponzi scheme. It is designed to keep everyone enslaved to perpetual debt. If at some point the debt spiral gets interrupted in some significant way, we are going to witness an economic disaster that is going to make what happened in 2008 look like a Sunday picnic.

Debt Collapse - $20,000 Gold - Mike Maloney On Gold, Silver & Economics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj2s6vzErqY

The TRUTH About Who Really Owns All Of America's Debt
http://www.businessinsider.com/who-owns-us-debt-2011-7#hong-kong-1
 

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Currency Wars by Song Hong bing is a popular book in China. The point of waging war by currency is to avoid a hot war, with nuclear weapons. The big players in Europe, China, and the Middle East tire of paying tribute to the USD reserve system hegemony. The world financial system is derivative of the USD reserve system. The USD reserve system is nearing the end of its life because of world revolt against the oligarchs who benefit from proximity to the source of the one world currency-the USD.

The second force ending the USD reserve system life span are the unalterable laws of the maths of compounding of interest and debt. The century of USD dominance has created a burden of interest payments on debt which cannot be paid and that which cannot be paid will not be paid, at least, not by those without the monopoly on the creation of USD. Those with the USD creation monopoly will pay all US government debt with cash. This will trigger revulsion from those who have options on what form of payment they will accept for services rendered and things tendered. The USD will not be accepted by those with other options. This is called hyperinflation.

Now, there is a third force in play for more than thirty years. That is the creation of the Euro. The Euro is not connected to any sovereign, hence it has no obligation to act as the lender of last resort. The Euro is not created as a reserve currency, but as a transactional currency. It was created to provide an alternative to shield Europe from collapse of the USD reserve system. It will be printed to maintain order in the financial world during the transition from the USD reserve system.Gold marked-to-market quarterly is a reserve asset of the Euro. The Euro, if pressed to hard by the failing USD will defend itself with the nuclear weapon of currency war, gold marked-to-market. The Euro oligarch's will make a market in gold for Euros. They will have credibility.

Now, we have the confluence of three forces in place to allow the world transition from the USD empire, to a new world system of finance, without a hot war of nuclear exchange. Even psychopaths understand nuclear weapons. Notice I only mentioned China as one of many powers which wish to see the transition to a world minus a USD reserve currency without being made a scapegoat for such an event. Now, many think the Chinese are concerned about three trillion of USD reserve assets. Not so. They have already been paid in hard assets of industrial infrastructure and knowledge imported from the USA. They know the USD paper is worthless. It is what they pay to avoid hot war and gain a powerful industrial nation. Their currency has problems, since it is a derivative of the USD system. They will tighten their belts and absorb the loss, as they have the knowledge and infrastructure to earn in the future. China is a small fraction of the forces in play in the next few years of the end of the USD.

Let’s review the three forces arrayed against the continuation of the USD hegemony. One force is the will of big players to get out from under USD one world currency. The second force is the unavoidable laws of mathematics. The third force is the replacement system is operational. It is time to die for the USD reserve system and USD assets.

Now, there is one feature of the emerging financial system which we should consider. The role of gold in the new system is featured in the Euro design. Gold marked-to-market quarterly is a Euro reserve asset. No one will accept or trust another sovereign’s promise-to-pay as a reserve asset for centuries. The world will not forget how they have been held hostage by the USD for a century. They will use gold as the world reserve asset. Gold does not need the backing of a sovereign to be the reserve asset and the reference point for judging the credibility of a sovereign’s promises-to-pay.

The USD, Euro, Yuan, Rupee, etc will be the transactional currencies of sovereigns. The transactional currency’s credibility and value will be judged by reference-point-gold. Now, who has the gold. Well the scramble is on. Even Chavez is demanding delivery of his countries gold reserve from the thieves in London and New York. Europe has ten thousand tons of gold. India has thirteen thousand tons. The Saudis are said to have six to ten thousand tons. The US treasury owns eight thousand tons, which will be mobilized to recapitalize the new dollar as a transactional currency. Mexico just bought two hundred tons of gold. Get ready to experience the death of the USD reserve system. It won’t be China that pulls the plug. That is a story for the imagination of the ignorant. It keeps the chickens quiet while the foxes divide up the hen house for future use.

These words are my own, some of which I learned from experience but most borrowed from men and women better than I, who wonder and explore the hidden forces of history, mathematics, and will which determine reality of life on this chicken farm. The internet is a powerful force disseminating real experience and understanding for all who make the effort to put self aside and study the world with an open mind. It has been necessary to lay aside most what I knew and accept that I am usually wrong, perhaps even now. I guess-we surf a wave of creation, shouting out the thrill of another giant wave coming in from storms across the sea.
 
There is interesting financial news on the wires tonight. A Chinese market maker has halted transactions with the big three French Banks.
Reuters further reports that Siemens is keeping short term paper at the ECB because of concerns over the financial health of some large French banks.

Leap2020, a Euro advocate, states that it believes the Euro zone is moving toward letting the large money center banks whose primary business is writing derivative contracts on sovereign debt take the losses when the market moves against them. If this is true, the French banks will be unable to preform on the outstanding derivative contracts, which is likely to collapse the large international banks involved in interlocked derivative trading.

The dollar reserve system backed by Federal Reserve dollar creating monopoly will be forced to bail out the world's big money banks to keep the dollar hegemony from total collapse. Printing on this level is likely to destroy the credibility of the USD. When credibility is lost, the hyperinflation scenario is ignited as vendors refuse payment in the discredited currency.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/20/idUSB9E7K102K20110920 said:
BEIJING, Sept 20 | Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:07pm EDT
BEIJING, Sept 20 (Reuters) - A big market-making state bank in China's onshore foreign exchange market has stopped foreign exchange forwards and swaps trading with several European banks due to the unfolding debt crisis in Europe, two sources told Reuters on Tuesday.
The European banks include French lenders Societe Generale , Credit Agricole and BNP Paribas .
"Apart from spot trading, all swaps and forwards trading (with the European banks) have been stopped," one source who is familiar with the matter told Reuters.
The Chinese state bank, a primary player in China's onshore foreign exchange market, has also stopped trading with UBS AG in the wake of that bank's $2.3 billion loss from a rogue trading scandal. (Reporting by China news team)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/19/siemens-ecb-idUSL5E7KJ46K20110919?feedType=RSS&feedName=financialsSector said:
Sept 20 | Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:29pm EDT
Sept 20 (Reuters) - Siemens (SIEGn.DE) withdrew deposits from a large French bank two weeks ago and transferred them to the European Central Bank, in the search for a safe haven, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday.
The newspaper said the German group had withdrawn more than half a billion euros in cash deposits from the French bank. In total, Siemens has parked between 4 billion euros and 6 billion euros at the ECB's facilities, mostly through one-week deposits, the paper said.
It quoted a person with direct knowledge of the matter as saying that the group had withdrawn the money partly because of concerns about the future financial health of the bank and partly to benefit from the higher interest rates paid by the ECB.


http://m.leap2020.eu/GEAB-N-57-is-available-Global-systemic-crisis-Fourth-quarter-2011-Implosive-fusion-of-global-financial-assets_a7640.html said:
The implosive fusion of the fourth quarter will thus directly result from the encounter between two new realities that contradict two basic conditions of existence of the world before the crisis:

. one, born in Europe, consists of now rejecting the idea that private financial operators, of which Wall Street and the City are the embodiment par excellence, are not fully responsible for the risks they take. Yet for decades, this was the prevailing idea that fueled the tremendous growth of the financial economy: “Heads I win, tails you bail me out”. Even the existence of large Western banks and insurance companies has become intrinsically linked to this certainty. The balance sheets of major players on Wall Street and the City (and of many large Euroland and Japanese banks) are unable to withstand this tremendous paradigm shift (29).
 
China is looking at both Europe and the USA, like a cat with a mouse... Amusing to the Cat as long as the mouse is suffering and dying a slow death!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/china-pulls-rug-under-europe-halts-french-bank-transactions-makes-good-trade-war-ultimatum

It seems that China did not get the answer they wanted from the Europeans and just as we said last week, swung back in favor of the US - TSYs as opposed to stocks. China 3 - Europe 0 - US 1 is the approximate score in this first round perhaps.

UPDATE: The 'game' continues into the night as China's Xinhua News cites absolutely noone when it claims Fitch's bearish stance on China's banking industry has prompted suspicions of a 'conspiracy'. And remember Fitch is French-owned.
 
Mr. Premise said:
I still don't think it's in China's interest to destroy the dollar. Where else will they put their money, now that the Euro looks to be in worse shape than the dollar. Plus, plunging the U.S. economy into depression will cause social turmoil in China, since they really are dependent on exports to U.S. and also the rest of the world which would also be plunged into depression if the U.S. is.

I found some statistics showing that this threat of China destroying the dollar is overhyped (not to mention definitely not in the interest of the Chinese Communist Party);

From Arthur Kroeber (Brookings Institution) http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2011/0907_china_currency_kroeber.aspx:
What are some misconceptions about China’s large-scale reserve holdings and investments in U.S. Treasury Bonds, specifically the idea that China is “America’s banker?

Because China’s central bank is the single biggest foreign holder of U.S. government debt, it is often said that China is “America’s banker,” and that, if it wanted to, it could undermine the U.S. economy by selling all of its dollar holdings, thereby causing a collapse of the U.S. dollar and perhaps the U.S. economy. These fears are misguided. China is not in any practical sense “America’s banker.” China holds just 8% of outstanding US Treasury debt; American individuals and institutions hold 69%. China holds just 1% of all US financial assets (including corporate bonds and equities); US investors hold 87%. Chinese commercial banks lend almost nothing to American firms and consumers – the large majority of that finance comes from American banks. America’s banker is America, not China.

It is more apt to think of China as a depositor at the “Bank of the United States:” its treasury bond holdings are super-safe, liquid holdings that can be easily redeemed at short notice, just like bank deposits. Far from holding the United States hostage, China is a hostage of the United States, since it has little ability to move those deposits elsewhere (no other bank in the world is big enough).

Daniel Blumenthal, Foreign Policy magazine http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/10/03/the_top_ten_unicorns_of_china_policy?page=0,0 on the top ten misconceptions about China-US relations (this is number 4):

China is America's banker. America cannot anger its banker.
In fact, China is more like a depositor. It deposits money in U.S. Treasurys because its economy does not allow investors to put money elsewhere. There is nothing else it can do with its surpluses unless it changes its financial system radically (see above). It makes a pittance on its deposits. If the United States starts to bring down its debts and deficits, China will have even fewer options. China is desperate for U.S. investment, U.S. Treasurys, and the U.S. market. The balance of leverage leans toward the United States.

Also, the Debt to GDP ratio in China may be as high as 80%. From the World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/jul2011/pers-j12.shtml

For nearly three years, China with its rapid growth rates has appeared to avoid the worst global economic crisis since the 1930s. However, the very means used by Beijing to stave off a slump—cheap credit and huge stimulus packages—have generated bad debts that threaten to create new financial and economic instability in China and internationally.

The debt is centred in local governments that have borrowed heavily to invest in property and infrastructure. The first-ever statistics on local government debt released by the National Audit Office (NAO) at the end of June found staggering liabilities of 10.7 trillion yuan or $US1.65 trillion—equivalent to around 27 percent of the country’s GDP in 2010.

The international rating agency, Moody’s, last week put the debt total some $540 billion higher than the NAO figure, with bad debts estimated to be 8-12 percent of the total. Moody’s warned that in the absence of a plan to rein in local government debt, the agency’s credit outlook for Chinese banks had the potential to turn negative.

Victor Shih, a US-based expert on China’s local government debt, claims the total could be even higher at 15.4 to 20.1 trillion yuan, or 40 to 50 percent of China’s 2010 GDP. Moreover, as he told the New York Times: “Most of the government entities that borrow can’t even make the interest payments on the loans.”

Massive local government spending has helped fuel property speculation that has resulted in soaring property prices and a huge surplus of housing stock. Over the past decade, property prices in the growth centre of Shanghai have almost quadrupled. In Guangzhou they have trebled. In a report this year, the investment bank Credit Suisse identified Wuhan as one of China’s “top 10 cities to avoid,” explaining that it would take eight years just to sell off its existing housing stock.

The local government debt crisis is a direct product of Beijing’s response to the global financial turmoil that erupted in 2008. The sharp downturn in China’s major export markets—the US, Europe and Japan—led to the rapid loss of 23 million jobs. Fearful of social unrest, the Chinese regime outlined a stimulus program of 4 trillion yuan to maintain economic growth, while only providing 1.2 trillion yuan and leaving the rest to local authorities and state enterprises to finance.

The result was an orgy of borrowing. Banned from directly issuing bonds, local authorities set up investment companies to borrow from state-owned banks. The money did not go into desperately-needed public hospitals and schools, but real estate and infrastructure projects. Beijing encouraged the binge by promoting officials on the basis of local economic growth statistics.

The local government debt figures dramatically alter the picture of China’s public finances. Central government debt amounts to less than 20 percent of GDP—far lower than the levels of public debt in the US and Europe. However, as American academic Minxin Pei pointed out in a recent article, “China’s ticking debt bomb,” once local government debt and other liabilities are factored in, China’s total debt jumps to 70 to 80 percent of GDP.

There seems to be a new meme: it's not China's rise we have to worry about, it's China's collapse.


[Edit] I should add this from SOTT today on China being in risk of collapse http://www.sott.net/articles/show/235968-Fears-of-an-economic-meltdown-in-China
 
Arthur Kroeber (Brookings Institution) said:
It is more apt to think of China as a depositor at the “Bank of the United States:” its treasury bond holdings are super-safe, liquid holdings that can be easily redeemed at short notice, just like bank deposits. Far from holding the United States hostage, China is a hostage of the United States, since it has little ability to move those deposits elsewhere (no other bank in the world is big enough).

Yes, Mr. Kroeber points out those who hold US Treasuries are hostages. He further states US investors hold 83% of US Treasuries. I assume they are hostages as well. How can US Treasurys be super-safe and simultaneously certificates of hostage? Mr. Kroeber contradicts and discredits himself in his effort to sooth the ignorant hostages in the United States. The Chinese government is under no such illusion. The Chinese government has decided gold is the asset reserve with infinite capacity and ancient credibility to hold its wealth for the future. The following article is just a hint of China's golden future. _http://www.jsmineset.com/2011/10/06/chinese-move-to-control-global-gold-market/

Daniel Blumenthal (Foreign Policy) said:
China is America's banker. America cannot anger its banker.
In fact, China is more like a depositor. It deposits money in U.S. Treasurys because its economy does not allow investors to put money elsewhere. There is nothing else it can do with its surpluses unless it changes its financial system radically (see above). It makes a pittance on its deposits. If the United States starts to bring down its debts and deficits, China will have even fewer options. China is desperate for U.S. investment, U.S. Treasurys, and the U.S. market. The balance of leverage leans toward the United States.

Another propaganda piece. The hysteria of the USD Reserve hegemony is reaching a crescendo as the USD is failing now that Europe and China have chosen gold as their reserve asset and the mechanisms of a new monetary order are in place. The oligarchs of China made a deal with the oligarchs of the USD empire a decade ago. China financed America's War On Terror by buying US Treasurys. China bought time to build infrastructure and gain knowledge. China has earning assets and doesn't need more US Treasurys. The Chinese government is moving to use gold to absorb the money surplus generated by the earning assets they received as real payment for the manufactured goods they have been selling to American corporations. See (_http://www.jsmineset.com/2011/10/06/chinese-move-to-control-global-gold-market/) and (_http://www.321gold.com/editorials/benson/benson100511.html)

As usual, the people of the world are forced to pay for the machine which enslaves them, both in China and the USA. A transition is underway as the USD chains are old and failing. War has been the alternative method of control during periods of monetary transition. War is expensive and the USD is in flames. I think this accounts for the rising level of disinformation all around. How will the psychopaths of power pay for war? States are desperate to continue the status quo, but the long march of the USD reserve empire is ending.
 
go2, what do you think about the issue of the incredibly fragile nature of the Chinese banking system, their high level of debt, and the fragile nature of their social system if their economy goes south, which it will if western demand drops any further?
 
I think the Chinese export market will be replaced by domestic consumption, much as Japan redirected its excess production in 1990.
The Chinese growth will probably slow and it will take some decades for them to work down the internal debt. That will be the mechanism of China maintaining control over their enormous population. They will be turned into fat and docile consumers of credit on the Western model.

This model assumes the Chinese oligarchs will gradually give up some of their extreme financial privilege to maintain stability. Many who labor to earn a living assume money is the objective, but to the oligarch who controls the monopoly over money by legal tender laws, money is merely the instrument of power over others. Remember the Chinese can bail out the banking system with a key stroke at the magic money machine in the basement of their Central Bank. The Western academics have lost sight of the real role of finance. It is to lubricate the exchange of real goods and services. All the derivatives and government paper can burn and life goes on.

It is interesting the Chinese are making physical gold available to absorb the savings of the Chinese people. This indicates the Chinese oligarchs may have a sense of responsibility for others as well as maintaining their special privilege or it could be they remember a revolution not too long ago. Time will tell.....
 
go2 said:
I think the Chinese export market will be replaced by domestic consumption, much as Japan redirected its excess production in 1990.
The Chinese growth will probably slow and it will take some decades for them to work down the internal debt. That will be the mechanism of China maintaining control over their enormous population. They will be turned into fat and docile consumers of credit on the Western model.

This model assumes the Chinese oligarchs will gradually give up some of their extreme financial privilege to maintain stability. Many who labor to earn a living assume money is the objective, but to the oligarch who controls the monopoly over money by legal tender laws, money is merely the instrument of power over others. Remember the Chinese can bail out the banking system with a key stroke at the magic money machine in the basement of their Central Bank. The Western academics have lost sight of the real role of finance. It is to lubricate the exchange of real goods and services. All the derivatives and government paper can burn and life goes on.

It is interesting the Chinese are making physical gold available to absorb the savings of the Chinese people. This indicates the Chinese oligarchs may have a sense of responsibility for others as well as maintaining their special privilege or it could be they remember a revolution not too long ago. Time will tell.....

I agree that this seems to be the Chinese strategy. For this to work, though, there would have to be no severe downturn in the rest of the world, so for that reason, I don't think it's in the Chinese interest to pull any plugs. What would be the point? All they have to do is be patient, something they are much better at than most other countries. The disruption caused to the fragile world economy by any sudden move on their part to undermine the dollar as a reserve currency would severely reduce demand, and they are still very much dependent on world demand to keep the factories humming. It will take a while to develop their internal market.
 

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