Is meat blood ok for puppies?

Guardian

Guardian

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I realize that this might be a dumb question, but I looked on line and got two very different answers, so I thought I'd post here.

Is there any danger for a puppy drinking blood that comes out of his raw meat dinner? I don't give him the blood out of the package, but after I cut and mix his meat in a big pot, and then put it into smaller containers for storage, more blood drains out. There always some blood at the bottom of his bowl, which he laps up enthusiastically. I have no doubt this blood contains all kinda of bacteria (which is why I carefully clean my counter afterwards) but is it bacteria that a puppy can stomach ok?

I know dogs can eat 2 day old road kill with no problem, so clearly their stomachs are much different than ours, but my concern is that a 4 month old pup might not have this resistance to bacteria yet?

I've been feeding him raw meat, with the blood that's drained out of it, for over two months now, with NO signs of any problems, in fact quite the opposite. He went from a 6 lb. malnourished 8 week old lethargic pup with 3 different kinds of worms, to a 28 lb bundle of energy in excellent, worm free health in a matter of weeks.

I should note that all the meat I feed him is sold for human consumption, but sometimes it is standard commercially packaged meat since I can't always afford range fed organic meat for us. Basically, he eats the same meats I do, I just cook mine, not his.

I wash all our meat when I take it out of the package, but should I be soaking his meat to get most of the blood out of it first or anything like that?
 
As I understand it it is mainly the short length of the digestive tract in most carnivores which prevents bacteria from incubating sufficiently to cause a problem. This is why meat with a high bacterial load can be eaten. I would imagine this also applies to dogs, and to the blood, but I would check with someone like Herr Eisenheim who will hopefully be able to answer your question better than I can. I personally have never had any problem with ferrets or cats eating meat that is way past what is safe for a human but ferrets in particular have an extremely short digestive tract/transit time.
 
I don't think I would worry about it. Our dogs do fine on raw meat and often get "juicy bits" as you describe above.
 
Guardian said:
I should note that all the meat I feed him is sold for human consumption, but sometimes it is standard commercially packaged meat since I can't always afford range fed organic meat for us. Basically, he eats the same meats I do, I just cook mine, not his.
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As Laura said , no worries at all Guardian. Just make sure that you feed some bones too as growing pups need lots of calcium. Its good idea to start with softer bones like chicken necks. And dont forget to supplement fish oil ( Cod liver is the best, go for human brands as they tend to be more distilled) especially if the meat you are feeding is not grass fed. One table spoon a day is a good measure, not just during the growth phase but all the way throughout adulthood.
 
H.E. said:
As Laura said , no worries at all Guardian.
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THANK YOU both!

Just make sure that you feed some bones too as growing pups need lots of calcium. Its good idea to start with softer bones like chicken necks.
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In addition to his beef chunks, he's getting turkey necks and whole chicken leg quarters which he seriously chomps down on. I have to admit that the bone crunching sound took a little getting used to, but he loves them and doesn't seem to have any problems with digestion.


And dont forget to supplement fish oil ( Cod liver is the best, go for human brands as they tend to be more distilled) especially if the meat you are feeding is not grass fed. One table spoon a day is a good measure, not just during the growth phase but all the way throughout adulthood.
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OK, thanks! I've been giving him the human omega 3 fish oil, so the cod liver would be cheaper too. I also add a tin of sardines once a week.

I'm having a difficult time knowing exactly how much to feed him each day because he is growing so fast. I've read the 2-3% of body weight per day suggestion, is that a good rule of thumb?
 
something like that, I actually never measure anything - I just know what amount is right when I see it
 
I too know a little something about this. My sister is a breeder and one of the dogs she acquired was raised from a pup on raw meat. I'm told that if you feed your dog raw meat and dry dog food, then you should wait for twelve hours after eating raw meat before feeding them dry dog food. Because raw meat digests faster than dry food, and something about the bacteria from the raw meat mixing with the dry food, it's not healthy? That's probably not exactly what she told me, but that's what I comprehended out of the conversation.
I give my GSD a tablespoon of hemp seed oil everyday for a treat. She loves it and being a picky eater as she is, that's not a bad thing. It's one of natures most unsaturated oil, and each tbsp contains 8.0g of Omega-6 fatty acids and 2.5g of Omega-3 fatty acids. It's a product of Canada, no in-crop pesticides and it's only ten bucks for 17 fl. oz.'s and the best of all? 0.0% THC!
This is good stuff folks, you should see her coat, a deep rich shine and she looks 5 years old instead of almost 9 years old. A stranger today told me he couldn't believe she was almost nine and just praised her up and down, how friendly and sociable she is, made me feel like a proud parent! :)
 
Hi cherochemist
Several sources of information suggest that human beings evolved on a diet with a ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 essential fatty acids (EFA) of approximately 1 whereas in Western diets the ratio is 15/1-16.7/1. That would be the same for the dogs if we assume that they evolved eating with humans. Ideally we should strive to get as close as possible to this 1:1 ratio.
I know its not easy for everyone to supplement omega 3 to their dogs but perhaps you could find some inexpensive cod liver oil and try to feed grass fed bones which should not be too expensive.

Omega 6 is an essential fatty acid, but if given in excess it produces lots of pro-inflammatory molecules.
 
I would love to study these sources if you could be kind enough to send me in the right direction. I have issue's with meat and especially fish. If I'm not mistaken, Cod is already over fished and contaminated with heavy metals. We also have serious fish problems in Michigan with advisories on eating limits for most fish, and I can assume the ocean is no different when it comes to heavy metal and pcb's and whatever other poisons we humans have dumped into our waters.
Komfort is most precious to me and I certainly do not want to give her anything that's going to harm her. I will need more information. I'm not sure if you're saying that the dose is too high? Higher than cod liver oil? The guy I get this from swears up and down how well it benefits his dogs, he's been using it for years. I only want what's best for my girl. She does get plenty off cattle bones but am not sure if they were grass fed but can find out easy enough.
Thanks for the heads up!
 
cherokeemist said:
If I'm not mistaken, Cod is already over fished and contaminated with heavy metals. We also have serious fish problems in Michigan with advisories on eating limits for most fish, and I can assume the ocean is no different when it comes to heavy metal and pcb's and whatever other poisons we humans have dumped into our waters.
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Fwiw, this is why I usually get imported Norwegian Cod Liver Oil. That might be a little expensive but it's the only way to ensure that it's ok for consumption, osit.

Guardian, I vaguely remember either a breeder friend of ours or a dog owner from my childhood mentioning that blood is actually good for them for some reason when I asked them.
I'm not sure if they were talking about adult dogs or puppies though and I can't find any article on this to back it up, so fwiw.
 
I am wondering how to introduce a raw diet to my cat Butch. He is getting right now Wellness brand canned cat food and some baked chicken I have to watch his fat intake because he has been diagnosed with pancreatitis this past November and is over weight a bit. And no, what the so called holistic Vet prescribed did not work out well. :cry:
So I decided after much veterinary text book reading and research into homeopathic and herbal remedies for cats I have found somethings that are working.
If anyone has any ideas or recipes I would really love to know all!
 
Maddie said:
I am wondering how to introduce a raw diet to my cat Butch. He is getting right now Wellness brand canned cat food and some baked chicken I have to watch his fat intake because he has been diagnosed with pancreatitis this past November and is over weight a bit. And no, what the so called holistic Vet prescribed did not work out well. :cry:
So I decided after much veterinary text book reading and research into homeopathic and herbal remedies for cats I have found somethings that are working.
If anyone has any ideas or recipes I would really love to know all!
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Have you read through this thread and the provided links?
 
cherokeemist said:
Cod is already over fished and contaminated with heavy metals. We also have serious fish problems in Michigan with advisories on eating limits for most fish, and I can assume the ocean is no different when it comes to heavy metal and pcb's and whatever other poisons we humans have dumped into our waters.
Komfort is most precious to me and I certainly do not want to give her anything that's going to harm her. I will need more information. I'm not sure if you're saying that the dose is too high? Higher than cod liver oil? The guy I get this from swears up and down how well it benefits his dogs, he's been using it for years. I only want what's best for my girl. She does get plenty off cattle bones but am not sure if they were grass fed but can find out easy enough.
Thanks for the heads up!
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this is why it is important to supplement only good quality fish oils. Some supplement companies regularly test cod liver oil for purity while others do not. The pharmaceutical grade products usually go through distillation to remove any mercury. Therefore, fish oil and cod liver oil from a high quality source don’t pose the same risk as fresh fish as they are purified of mercury and many other contaminants. It should be on the declaration of the product.

Regrading the dose- my point was - it is unnecessary to supplement dogs with vegetable oils since these are rich in omega 6 and omega 9 and they can get plenty of these from the meat and bones even if not grass fed.
 
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