Is this back engineered alien technology?

[tmr3513]

One uneventful December afternoon, while returning home on the Pacific Coast Highway,I had an encounter with a aerial vehicle of unknown origin. I now believe that we possess the capability to construct and operate craft way beyond known technology.You may,or may not believe it. I know what I witnessed. They exist,somewhere,and man made them.This is the link to my story.
_http://tinyurl.com/2hhrtm

 

[JonnyRadar]

interesting story tmr3513. i have a few questions...

I believe what I saw was a piloted, man made craft. It had some exotic unknown type of advanced propulsion, not jet, rocket, or scramjet. It was, I believe, by its handling characteristics, an anti-gravity vehicle. I "felt" no sound wave,there was no electrical disruption of my vehicle. I had the window down and heard nothing but the wind and my tires on the roadway. It was totally silent. I believe that day,it was piloted by some hot jet jockey who saw somebody driving down the road, totally alone, and decided to say, "Look at me. Now,try to explain this to others,and see if they believe you, when you tell them what you saw”.

aside from a few of the testimonials on your page, what leads you to make an absolute statement that the object you witnessed was man-made?

from the interview with bill hamilton on your site:
THE IMPLICATION WAS THAT OUR GOVERNMENT ACTIVELY HAD ALREADY IN OPERATION CRAFT FROM SOME PLACE ELSE AND THAT WE WERE GOING TO THIS SOME PLACE ELSE?
He didn't actually say we were going.He said we have the capacity to go. Why wouldn't we?

who's "we" in this scenario? i find it curious - this attempt to elicit "hope" of sorts that this technology will get us somewhere else. lending the possibility for a second that this scenario is true however (for the sake of discussion), the powers that be would have absolutely no intention of "helping" anyone other than themselves.

from the same interview:
IF WE ARE DEALING WITH TIME AND WE HAVE PROPULSION SYSTEMS THAT CAN GET US TO OTHER SOLAR SYSTEMS, AS BEN RICH IMPLIED, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS STILL KEEPING EVERYBODY IN THE DARK?

see above reply

OR

could it have something to do with hyper-dimensional realities? the powers that be certainly would not want people to discuss that - as once multiple dimensions and aspects of quantum theory come into play, consciousness begins to have more gravity than technology, and everyone has the capability of enhancing their consciousness through work and perseverance to open up the possibilities of seeing things "the way they work." i don't claim to know how they (things) work, but i find it interesting that the power/ability of human consciousness takes a much lesser role when discussing the possibility of an alien presence in our reality.

as a last point, i see that some of the sources you have listed include coast to coast am, whitley strieber and jeff rense. i would suggest (as research) utilizing the vast resources of these forums and using the search tool (at the top of the page) to see what else has already been revealed about some of your sources.

however, having said all that, you have an interesting story, and i would be interested also in hearing your viewpoint expounded upon...

 

[tmr3513]

Why did I think it looked manmade? Because it look like a manurfactured vehicle. It was stealth black just like the B-2 and the F-117 it had 3 ridges on the top which have to have a purpose and the area in the rear has to have a purpose. All the unidentified sightings of craft describe shiny metallic
craft.It just had the appearance of something that "WE" have built. The F-16's seemed to be in escort mode not chasing it.The fact that this craft came off from over the ocean at the same moment I came around the corner and was as close to the water as one can be while traveling on this roadway made me assume that I had been spotted driving along this road alone from their viewing position out over the ocean. I have seen both stealth aircraft up close and personal during my military career and I am familiar with all military aircraft and this seemed to be some exotic "manmade " craft.
I have knowledge from other sources that have also seen this same type of craft near Vandenberg AFB and NAS China Lake.They normally fly at night. I personally don't care what others believe I know what I saw and we(man) made it. I am confident in time it will come out that it exists.
Do you think they would retire all the F-117's if they didn't have something more advanced to replace it?

 

[anart]

Hi, I'm not disagreeing with you here - it very well could have been a 'man' made vehicle - I certainly have no proof to the contrary and there is no question that the government does not reveal it's latest technology until after it is 'obsolete' as it were. However, you are making many leaps of assumption in this post.

Why did I think it looked manmade? Because it look like a manurfactured vehicle.

Why would an 'extraterrestrial' craft not 'look like a manufactured vehicle'? Wouldn't it also have to be 'manufactured'?

It was stealth black just like the B-2 and the F-117 it had 3 ridges on the top which have to have a purpose and the area in the rear has to have a purpose.

This statement, again, makes little sense - of course any parts of any craft would 'have to have a purpose'.

All the unidentified sightings of craft describe shiny metallic
craft.

This is most definitely not true. Reports of unidentified craft range from balls of light to worms to cubes to saucers to black triangles as well as many other descriptions - it sounds like you need to do more research on the subject.

It just had the appearance of something that "WE" have built.

This is a subjective statement - you have no proof of this and, in fact, unless you built it, it is something you cannot know. I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm just pointing out that your thinking in general on this, as evidenced by this post, is very unclear.

The F-16's seemed to be in escort mode not chasing it.

This is subjective - how would you know?

The fact that this craft came off from over the ocean at the same moment I came around the corner and was as close to the water as one can be while traveling on this roadway made me assume that I had been spotted driving along this road alone from their viewing position out over the ocean.

Now, this is an odd statement as well. Why would you 'assume you had been spotted' - and why would that matter? Are you trying to imply that you were in some sort of danger?

I have seen both stealth aircraft up close and personal during my military career and I am familiar with all military aircraft and this seemed to be some exotic "manmade " craft.

While this is a subjective observation as well (meaning you have no proof) - at least it is backed up by experiential information, so that helps a bit. Otherwise, you're just assuming a LOT of things and believing that since you think them, they are true. Unfortunately, that is not how reality works.

I have knowledge from other sources that have also seen this same type of craft near Vandenberg AFB and NAS China Lake.

Could you supply some data to back this up?

They normally fly at night.

Data backing this statement up would also be appreciated.

I personally don't care what others believe I know what I saw and we(man) made it.

This is an especially unfortunate statement since it reveals that you are not interested in the truth of the matter - but only interested in 'what you believe' - by the nature of this statement you prove that your take on this is subjective and really not worth much more than the time you took to write it.

This forum works very diligently to deal in facts - or at least in theories backed up by data while always keeping a very open mind that it could be wrong. You, however, 'don't care what others believe and know what you saw and that it is man made'. Unfortunate.

I am confident in time it will come out that it exists.

This very well may be the case, but the way you've presented yourself here indicates a tightly closed mind, which also indicates that you will never get to the truth of the matter because to do so, one must have an open mind.

Do you think they would retire all the F-117's if they didn't have something more advanced to replace it?

Why would 'this craft' necessarily be what 'replaces it' -- this is another leap of logic on your part - unclear thinking, and, actually it sounds like thinking with an agenda, which is strongly discouraged here.

 

[tmr3513]

Fuck you.

 

[anart]

And people wondered why we put the profanity filter in. ;)

 

[Jacques]

And people wondered why we put the profanity filter in. ;)

Geez, it does seem to me that you put some time to write your last post to tmr3513. trying to help him to see.

And he was not even able to see it and he is supposed to be able to tell us waht is a alien technology.

Amazing...

 

[Bernhard]

"-flick- you"

LOL...great filter!...interesting how someone who claims to be so knowledgeable, well researched and interested in this topic reacts in such a way just because of some very obvious questions and points that need to be raised to get to the bottom of this, when you even told him that you're essentially not disagreeing with him:

Hi, I'm not disagreeing with you here - it very well could have been a 'man' made vehicle - I certainly have no proof to the contrary and there is no question that the government does not reveal it's latest technology until after it is 'obsolete' as it were.

I think there is always a big difference between objectively wanting to look for truth,as it IS, or how one would like it to be are assume it to be, according to opinion, wishful thinking or guessing.
Self-importance and the need to be right have always been major stumbling blocks in the pursuit of truth, haven't they?

Another example that not the "great conspiracy" is the threat to all of us, but the lack of self-knowledge and understanding the personality machine of the "I" with its subjective judgments that comes in the way when examining these topics.

 

[dant]

LOL

I guess a little 'critical thinking' sets these buggers off!
Just as well.

Let's see if s/he will come around with a less emotional
reaction but I won't hold my breath. :O

 

[domi]

And people wondered why we put the profanity filter in. ;)

At least we know that comment was man made.

It is unfortunate that tmr3513 is stuck in a box as far as the subject of UFO's goes. It reminds me a little of the thread on Freemasons and the singular focus of the thread author on that.

 

[PepperFritz]

I think there is always a big difference between objectively wanting to look for truth,as it IS, or how one would like it to be are assume it to be, according to opinion, wishful thinking or guessing.

Mr. tmr3513 clearly has a heavy emotional investment in his "conclusion" about what he saw. He states that he has a military background, which implies a no-nonsense, nuts-and-bolts kind of guy. There is also no doubt in his mind that he saw something REAL, a craft the likes of which he had never seen before or since -- and that it was not an hallicination, not a meteor, not a weather balloon, not a 747.... Now, when those two factors rub up against each other, you have an immediate internal CRISIS. This is not the kind of guy who is going to go around telling people that he saw something that might be evenly remotely extraterrestrial in nature. But he is also not the kind of guy who's going to pretend he didn't really see anything, to push it all to the back of his mind and forget about it.

The solution to this crisis is to conclude that it MUST be a man-made craft, some ultra top-secret military craft (which would explain why it looked so utterly ALIEN to him), which of course then allows him to talk very loudly and far and wide about what he experienced, without being labelled a crack-pot by his peers.

Where he gives himself away, where it becomes obvious that his carefully constructed "conclusion" is extremely fragile in his own mind, is the sense of urgency and degree of emotion with which he talks about the incident. If he truly firmly believes that this was simply another top-secret, highly technological government military project, why is he so upset about it? What threat does it pose to him? Why should he care? And why does he fly off the handle when it is politely suggested to him that his conclusions might be less than logical?

If you ask me, this is a man in crisis, frightened to the core by what he saw, and desperately looking for outside reassurance that he did NOT see something extraterrestrial, and that he most definitely DID see something man-made. Anyone who suggests otherwise is going to get a "-flick- you", DON'T TELL ME THAT!!! For him, remaining open to both possibilities until further data becomes available, is not an option....

 

[tmr3513]

Actually this was a man in crisis because his wife of 22 years was terminally ill and he and his two young daughters were taking care of her 24/7.

She passed away on 15 Jan.2009 at the age of 48.

That is why I have not been back.

I will though respond to your statement at a later date.

Some of my beliefs about American technology is derived from a period in my life as a young man when I worked for a group of guys whom all had been Fire/Crash crew members at Edwards AFB during the "Right Stuff" period. I use to sit around and ask them questions about this period of their life. A lot of the things I heard in 1974 was written up in the book a few years later. The incident when Yeager bailed out of the experimental plane and landed in the desert. In the movie the character based on him comes walking out of the desert. They were the two guys that actually found him and brought him back to the base.

The picture below I found recently on wired .com in an article that was featured about the testing. The man on the right facing the camera is Asst.Chief Ron Cotton and the man with his back to the camera is Chief Ed Ash.

I have seen it again in flight in the early evening after sunset.The craft again had a F-16 (only one) flying with it. I was outside in my yard when they flew by to the east coming from Vandenberg AFB out toward the ocean to one of the isolated airfields the military has there.People in this area are so used to the presence of military aircraft that no one looked up. The disk had one white light and one red light,no strobe. The jet had all lights on including the strobe on the tail. The jet the whole period I was observing the two was in after burner just to kept up with the other craft. I followed the two until they were well over the water until the jet turned and head back north toward Vandenberg and the other craft continued southwest toward the island military base.

Look, before you critique what I am saying my statements, sentence structure etc. and try to impress others with your educational level and debating ability. Go to my site and read the whole %@#$ thing. Listen to the audio bites I have placed on it. There is more than enough evidence on there that others have seen similar craft and that they exist.

Listen to the Art Bell interview with Dr.Roger Lier and "General X"near the bottom of the site.

I will return.

 

[vinny]

just something to consider when you return:

My understanding is that with this kind of issue there are often multiple levels of reality, deception and/or illusion going on.

In the podcast with Jean Pierre-Petit (I think) he talks about the Aurora project, and how his conclusion is that this contains at least two levels: firstly the 'external' Aurora project which is a super-secret project that is very difficult but not impossible to find out about, which is there to satisfy the 'conspiracists', for those insiders at a deep level who get a little bit too curious, and basically for anyone who is digging around for clues - but that it is a foil for an even more hidden Aurora project which is even more 'out there', and hence just about completely hidden. And at this level we may have all kinds of possibilities.

This makes it extremely difficult to be certain about anything, and is all the more reason to keep an open mind about these things, and to use data from as wide a context as possible (as the Wave suggests) when evaluating.