Just wanted to share.

[Infiniteness]

In the past week or so Ive been getting attacked if that's the right word, by mostly people. The first attack was when one of my friends started making rude or negative comments about me on Face book, when I didn't even talk to him for over a month. He just randomly started posting comments on my Facebook about my popularity status, I got angry and we had a "argument". After that I was walking on my school campus and some random person makes a negative comment about my hat, right in my face. Its like these people just want to cause problems with me, like there programed out there to get me. So yesterday I was feeling pretty depressed and took a few shots of liquor with my friends and my dad found out that I was drunk, I had a pretty bad argument with him also. I also quit my job at UPS because of hard work and low pay.

Today I felt better I made up with my dad and decided to delete my Face book and Myspace. I guess I'm a antisocial person in a way because through out my whole life I found most people to be a problem then a benefit to have around. So I also decided to stay under the radar and have only have a few people around me that truly benefit me, and let the rest go. I guess the lesson of the story is to watch everyone that you talk to because they could end up being more of a problem and "Always expect an attack" like the Cs say.

P.S I will surly keep you guys around.

 

[Ca.]

In the past week or so Ive been getting attacked if that's the right word, by mostly people. The first attack was when one of my friends started making rude or negative comments about me on Face book, when I didn't even talk to him for over a month. He just randomly started posting comments on my Facebook about my popularity status, I got angry and we had a "argument". After that I was walking on my school campus and some random person makes a negative comment about my hat, right in my face. Its like these people just want to cause problems with me, like there programed out there to get me. So yesterday I was feeling pretty depressed and took a few shots of liquor with my friends and my dad found out that I was drunk, I had a pretty bad argument with him also. I also quit my job at UPS because of hard work and low pay.

Mental blocking sometimes is the best response, as in no response, to this predatory behavior around us. People are looking for some one to blame for the world events that are unfolding in our life's. This is exposing the true nature of what people are and can be.
Expect certain element's to step up this negative agenda and lash out as means to cope with there illusion, that has so long been painted as truth, is never the less, a lie.

And if you stay being vigilant to the subtle manifestation and creation of attack, it can help in putting one on guard and in a frame of mind, to deal with this behavior by circumventing this activity, to avoid being abused.

It works, and will empower you to deal with difficult days like you have described. Facebook as well is and can be a predators playground, and can and as well work from a distance for attack.

Awareness is the key.

 

[cholas]

So I also decided to stay under the radar and have only have a few people around me that truly benefit me, and let the rest go.

This sounds like a pretty good move on your part, Infiniteness. Having a good housecleaning, both interior and exterior will likely make the 'attacks' less frequent.

On the other hand, many, such as your ''hat-attacker" could actually be quite beneficial in testing your own machine's responses. Do a search for ''Petty Tyrants'' here on the forum.
And/or pick up a copy of Carlos Castaneda's "The Fire From Within", which explains the term quite well in the form of a story.(if you haven't already)

 

[Infiniteness]

In the past week or so Ive been getting attacked if that's the right word, by mostly people. The first attack was when one of my friends started making rude or negative comments about me on Face book, when I didn't even talk to him for over a month. He just randomly started posting comments on my Facebook about my popularity status, I got angry and we had a "argument". After that I was walking on my school campus and some random person makes a negative comment about my hat, right in my face. Its like these people just want to cause problems with me, like there programed out there to get me. So yesterday I was feeling pretty depressed and took a few shots of liquor with my friends and my dad found out that I was drunk, I had a pretty bad argument with him also. I also quit my job at UPS because of hard work and low pay.

Mental blocking sometimes is the best response, as in no response, to this predatory behavior around us. People are looking for some one to blame for the world events that are unfolding in our life's. This is exposing the true nature of what people are and can be.
Expect certain element's to step up this negative agenda and lash out as means to cope with there illusion, that has so long been painted as truth, is never the less, a lie.

And if you stay being vigilant to the subtle manifestation and creation of attack, it can help in putting one on guard and in a frame of mind, to deal with this behavior by circumventing this activity, to avoid being abused.

It works, and will empower you to deal with difficult days like you have described. Facebook as well is and can be a predators playground, and can and as well work from a distance for attack.

Awareness is the key.

Hi c.a, very true, as times are getting tougher people will look for other people to lash their anger out on someone. Yes I also believe mental blocking is a good tool to use in such cases, just let the fire burn out. The Cs told us in one of the sessions that when a person is "growing" the system will send more attacks there way, making it harder for them to grow. So yes awareness is the key.

Hi cholas, I will surly check it out.

 

[Gonzo]

Hi Infiniteness,

While you consider how to handle your future interactions with mankind, perhaps you might want to put some thought into the drawbacks of becoming too antisocial, as I believe part of why we are here is to figure out how to be in this world with others in harmony.

You might also find some benefit in stepping back to look at what triggered your emotional reactions and try to uncover things like self importance, which I believe might be at the root of needing social acceptance, or wounds that have been suppressed and require healing.

Really, why would a stranger's comment even matter to you anyway? What power have you given them over you? Also, why did you argue with your father? Did he have a rule about drinking that you didn't agree with and following such rules are a condition of living with him (if that is what your current situation is) or was he being critical of you in some way that was unfair? This might be another area worthy of examination for yourself.

I find thinking about our emotional reactions this way helps to uncover areas of ourselves requiring examination.

Regards,
Gonzo

 

[Infiniteness]

Hi Infiniteness,

While you consider how to handle your future interactions with mankind, perhaps you might want to put some thought into the drawbacks of becoming too antisocial, as I believe part of why we are here is to figure out how to be in this world with others in harmony.

You might also find some benefit in stepping back to look at what triggered your emotional reactions and try to uncover things like self importance, which I believe might be at the root of needing social acceptance, or wounds that have been suppressed and require healing.

Really, why would a stranger's comment even matter to you anyway? What power have you given them over you? Also, why did you argue with your father? Did he have a rule about drinking that you didn't agree with and following such rules are a condition of living with him (if that is what your current situation is) or was he being critical of you in some way that was unfair? This might be another area worthy of examination for yourself.

I find thinking about our emotional reactions this way helps to uncover areas of ourselves requiring examination.

Regards,
Gonzo

Hi Gonzo,

Yes I also was thinking about the effects of becoming to antisocial early today because I also at the same time want to help my fellow brothers and sisters, but first I have to help my self first, get my self in line in order to do that. I will surly put more thought into it.

To answer your second, as I observed my self it seems like I live two or more lives, I think everybody dose this like code switching. I want to grow spiritually, gain knowledge, and be free as possible from the illusion. But then I have all these other friends and family members that drag me back into the illusion. See I have no other people that share the same interests as me in "person", about the truth. Whenever I try and talk about "these" subjects to my friends or family members they look at me as if I'm a psycho or something.Hopefully I am making some sense, I am pretty sure a lot of you guys have the same problem. Yes my father didn't want me drinking and I ignored him, I guess I let the illusion get to me to much. I will keep working on myself.

P.S On the hat comment, I guess I let the predator program get to me.

 

[Infiniteness]

On another note I think the solution to my family and friends dragging me back into the illusion is becoming stronger, and seeing what my true interests are and sticking with them.

 

[Gonzo]

I know for myself I had (and still do at times) difficulty separating illusion from reality when it came to other people, especially those in authority.

For example, if I thought that my self expression and learning required me to stay out late, contrary to my parents' rules, I would feel they were trying to force me into their conventions and concepts of what and who I should be.

It took me a long time to learn that it had little to do with me fighting to break through the illusions that they were buying into and instead realize I was just being a self-righteous teenager who didn't want constraints placed on me, especially those that stifled what I mistakenly thought was self expression.
What I figured out, rather late unfortunately, was that there comes times when I am faced with a choice of obeying the requests of those who are giving me something (roof over my head, for example) or deciding that giving in to the requirements comes at too great a cost to my person and it is time to leave.

Between obeying and leaving, I discovered a rich world of dishonestly doing what I wanted to do in secret and hiding or lying about it to my parents.

This middle world is a trap. It offers no growth and can be extremely costly to the principles and ethical foundation of one's integrity, not to mention one's credibility. And at the end of the day, if you don't have integrity or credibility, what do you have?

It is often painful to look back and see the damage I did to myself and others, trying to impose my emerging concepts on reality and the illusions we are spoon fed from infancy, when I couldn't see that I had merely traded one set of illusions for another and was trying to force everyone else to adopt them.

All that effort that I had expended should have been directed toward respecting the opinions, authority and free will of others. Painful lessons do seem to sink in deeper. Too bad they took so long to sink in though.

Gonzo

 

[Infiniteness]

I know for myself I had (and still do at times) difficulty separating illusion from reality when it came to other people, especially those in authority.

For example, if I thought that my self expression and learning required me to stay out late, contrary to my parents' rules, I would feel they were trying to force me into their conventions and concepts of what and who I should be.

It took me a long time to learn that it had little to do with me fighting to break through the illusions that they were buying into and instead realize I was just being a self-righteous teenager who didn't want constraints placed on me, especially those that stifled what I mistakenly thought was self expression.
What I figured out, rather late unfortunately, was that there comes times when I am faced with a choice of obeying the requests of those who are giving me something (roof over my head, for example) or deciding that giving in to the requirements comes at too great a cost to my person and it is time to leave.

Between obeying and leaving, I discovered a rich world of dishonestly doing what I wanted to do in secret and hiding or lying about it to my parents.

This middle world is a trap. It offers no growth and can be extremely costly to the principles and ethical foundation of one's integrity, not to mention one's credibility. And at the end of the day, if you don't have integrity or credibility, what do you have?

It is often painful to look back and see the damage I did to myself and others, trying to impose my emerging concepts on reality and the illusions we are spoon fed from infancy, when I couldn't see that I had merely traded one set of illusions for another and was trying to force everyone else to adopt them.

All that effort that I had expended should have been directed toward respecting the opinions, authority and free will of others. Painful lessons do seem to sink in deeper. Too bad they took so long to sink in though.

Gonzo

Hi Gonzo,

What I also learned is that we have to use the illusion to work away from it. If we just flat out say NO to everything then well be getting no where, I am pretty sure the Cs said something across these lines somewhere in the transcripts. Also sometimes where not ready to do things, so waiting off or avoiding the cause is the best choice, just my say.

With me I just keep whatever I know to myself and if I see a person that is interested in the truth then I will share what I know, but if there just a ignorant sheep then I just avoid starting a talk about such subjects. On the other hand I also know we need to share the knowledge we know with such people to make progress in this world, so we need to find the right time and place to share the knowledge. With the problem with me and my dad about the drinking alcoholic argument, I was just depressed and wanted to be happy so I just ignored his rule of not drinking, and I faced the consequences. I agree with what your saying about respecting opinions, authority and free will of others. We all make mistakes and that's how we learn, if we didn't we wouldn't be here. ;)

 

[obyvatel]

Between obeying and leaving, I discovered a rich world of dishonestly doing what I wanted to do in secret and hiding or lying about it to my parents.

This middle world is a trap. It offers no growth and can be extremely costly to the principles and ethical foundation of one's integrity, not to mention one's credibility. And at the end of the day, if you don't have integrity or credibility, what do you have?

Hi Gonzo,
It depends on the specific context whether this insincerity is indeed a trap as you mention or strategic enclosure required to help oneself grow as a human being. I agree that in the case you mentioned - that of teenage rebellion for the sake of self expression it was a trap. But when strategic insincerity is practiced for the aim of waking up and freeing oneself from illusions while respecting the desire of others (specially family members) to not follow the same path as oneself, it would not compromise integrity or credibility. It would rather be a practice of external considering - osit.

[quote author=Infiniteness]
With the problem with me and my dad about the drinking alcoholic argument, I was just depressed and wanted to be happy so I just ignored his rule of not drinking, and I faced the consequences.
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Hi Infiniteness,
It is great that you came to realize that your dad's rules about alcohol is for your benefit in this context. You intend to work on yourself and awaken from sleep while using alcohol to drive out depression would only deepen sleep.
I think your strategy of being careful with raising esoteric topics with others is a very sound strategy. We also need to keep in mind that perhaps many of us are still "ignorant sheep" - some a little less ignorant and some a little more ignorant. I say this because the self-importance inside of us tends to take esoteric teachings and twist them to feed its own grandiosity - at least that has been my own experience. That is a trap that we need to watch out for.
fwiw

 

[Gonzo]

Between obeying and leaving, I discovered a rich world of dishonestly doing what I wanted to do in secret and hiding or lying about it to my parents.

This middle world is a trap. It offers no growth and can be extremely costly to the principles and ethical foundation of one's integrity, not to mention one's credibility. And at the end of the day, if you don't have integrity or credibility, what do you have?

Hi Gonzo,
It depends on the specific context whether this insincerity is indeed a trap as you mention or strategic enclosure required to help oneself grow as a human being. I agree that in the case you mentioned - that of teenage rebellion for the sake of self expression it was a trap. But when strategic insincerity is practiced for the aim of waking up and freeing oneself from illusions while respecting the desire of others (specially family members) to not follow the same path as oneself, it would not compromise integrity or credibility. It would rather be a practice of external considering - osit.

Hi obyvatel,

I don't think I understand your logic in relation to my response and the specific topic of obeying parental rules as conditions of residing under their roof. I can certainly understand when being dishonest is an expression of external consideration, but when that expression is also disrespecting the desires of the parent and their right to set realistic rules, especially when there is an energy exchange from the parent (giving food and shelter) requiring reciprocation from their child for balance, I think it might be less a case of strategic enclosure or external consideration and more a form of self deception and, perhaps internal considering.

I would really appreciate it if you would be able to provide me with a hypothetical example of applying your logic in relation to the topic at hand so I can better understand what you are saying?

Thanks,
Gonzo

 

[obyvatel]

Between obeying and leaving, I discovered a rich world of dishonestly doing what I wanted to do in secret and hiding or lying about it to my parents.

This middle world is a trap. It offers no growth and can be extremely costly to the principles and ethical foundation of one's integrity, not to mention one's credibility. And at the end of the day, if you don't have integrity or credibility, what do you have?

Hi Gonzo,
It depends on the specific context whether this insincerity is indeed a trap as you mention or strategic enclosure required to help oneself grow as a human being. I agree that in the case you mentioned - that of teenage rebellion for the sake of self expression it was a trap. But when strategic insincerity is practiced for the aim of waking up and freeing oneself from illusions while respecting the desire of others (specially family members) to not follow the same path as oneself, it would not compromise integrity or credibility. It would rather be a practice of external considering - osit.

Hi obyvatel,

I don't think I understand your logic in relation to my response and the specific topic of obeying parental rules as conditions of residing under their roof. I can certainly understand when being dishonest is an expression of external consideration, but when that expression is also disrespecting the desires of the parent and their right to set realistic rules, especially when there is an energy exchange from the parent (giving food and shelter) requiring reciprocation from their child for balance, I think it might be less a case of strategic enclosure or external consideration and more a form of self deception and, perhaps internal considering.

I would really appreciate it if you would be able to provide me with a hypothetical example of applying your logic in relation to the topic at hand so I can better understand what you are saying?

Thanks,
Gonzo

Hi Gonzo,
An example could be where a child is residing with parents who forbid reading this forum since it questions established societal norms of thinking and talks about channeled information. The parents consider this to be bad influence for the child. The child however is interested in objectivity and so continues to read the forum while practicing strategic enclosure and external consideration towards the parents which in this case would mean not telling the parents that he/she is still reading the forum and also trying to meet other reasonable parental demands like for example keeping up a certain level of academic performance.

 

[Infiniteness]

Between obeying and leaving, I discovered a rich world of dishonestly doing what I wanted to do in secret and hiding or lying about it to my parents.

This middle world is a trap. It offers no growth and can be extremely costly to the principles and ethical foundation of one's integrity, not to mention one's credibility. And at the end of the day, if you don't have integrity or credibility, what do you have?

Hi Gonzo,
It depends on the specific context whether this insincerity is indeed a trap as you mention or strategic enclosure required to help oneself grow as a human being. I agree that in the case you mentioned - that of teenage rebellion for the sake of self expression it was a trap. But when strategic insincerity is practiced for the aim of waking up and freeing oneself from illusions while respecting the desire of others (specially family members) to not follow the same path as oneself, it would not compromise integrity or credibility. It would rather be a practice of external considering - osit.

[quote author=Infiniteness]
With the problem with me and my dad about the drinking alcoholic argument, I was just depressed and wanted to be happy so I just ignored his rule of not drinking, and I faced the consequences.

Hi Infiniteness,
It is great that you came to realize that your dad's rules about alcohol is for your benefit in this context. You intend to work on yourself and awaken from sleep while using alcohol to drive out depression would only deepen sleep.
I think your strategy of being careful with raising esoteric topics with others is a very sound strategy. We also need to keep in mind that perhaps many of us are still "ignorant sheep" - some a little less ignorant and some a little more ignorant. I say this because the self-importance inside of us tends to take esoteric teachings and twist them to feed its own grandiosity - at least that has been my own experience. That is a trap that we need to watch out for.
fwiw

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Hi obyvatel,

Yes after the whole getting drunk experience, I learned that its not worth it at all because there's so many risks involved with drinking alcohol and it clouds your awareness, so I have made a promise to myself not to drink and just stick with my cigarettes . That is very true of what you said about the "ignorant sheep" comment, I tend to overlook things sometimes .

 

[Gonzo]

Thanks, obyvatel,

That example is perfect. Appreciate your effort in clarifying. I can now imagine several other similar examples. Thanks for unblocking my mind.

Regards,
Gonzo