Lady in the water - "Cookbook"

foofighter

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The movie "Lady in the water" by and with M. Night Shyamalan is a truly alchemical piece of art. It is communicated in symbols and with a dual-meaning language, so that an interpretation using a normal dictionary would make no sense of it. Underlying its language is a story about change, promise of hope and the possibility for goodness.

But, as much as I would love to interpret and decode the details of this movie, there is one thing that it refers to that I think is more important. The book by the Writer in the movie is called "Cookbook"; the authors thoughts on leadership and change of the world for the better. It is said that the book will be read by a boy who will grow up to be the leader of the world, hence its importance. I found it very interesting that he chose that title for the book. Recipes, as found in cookbooks, can be used in many ways. They can be used as a ritual to be performed down to the last letter, or they can be used as inspiration, as a score to be interpreted and performed by an accomplished musician. The result, then, is not only dependendant on the recipe - the passive force - but also the cook that uses it - the active force - and finally the quality and quantity of the ingredients use to prepare the meal - the neutralizing force. When writing recipes for a "Cookbook" one must therefore adopt an open mind, and be accepting of any way that the recipe will eventually be used. But, even though the end result is "open", the recipe, just as a score or manuscript, still sets the boundaries of what is to be accomplished, and for that reason care must be used when writing the recipe.

In a sense this is, coincidentally, what we are doing here. By creating a reference for how to understand the nature of evil, by studying how it works and how to deal with it in a creative and positive way, we are in a sense creating a "Cookbook" too. "Cookbooks" are meant to be used by everyone, as everyone has eating in common - as everyone has life in common. A "Cookbook" for understanding and dealing with evil is maybe just what we need.

This is the thought that I had after having seen this movie. Undoubtedly others will see other things, as the character of the movie is inspirational, and the end result is therefore, naturally, "open". It would be very interesting to hear what others thought after having watched it.
 
Thanks for this foofighter. I was wondering very much about whether or not I should watch this movie. As I love M. Night Shyamalan movies but in the commercials this movie looked really bad. So i didn't want to see it, but then I thought about how his last movie "The Villiage" also didn't have good commercials but it was an awesome movie (I thought). So the commercials didn't do it justice. I'm guessing from your post above that it is the same case with his new one "Lady in the water".

Thanks again :)
 
Oh, the trailers definitely don't do it justice. They are even meaningless, from an alchemical point of view. The trailers are meant for normal people, which is a bit of a scam, since I very much doubt that any non-esoterically inclined people would like this movie, at all. Shyamalan is really playing with the alchemical allegories with absolutely no restrictions, and for myself it was just a great inspiration (as it was supposed to be, in a meta-sense, since that is the purpose of the book in the movie!).

He even states this dualistic take on everything clearly when they talk about the "Cookbook" since the main character is confused by the title "Cookbook" as he thought it was about food, which, it is said in plain words, it is not. And the double meaning of that is, of course, that this applies to the movie itself too. And again, I very much doubt that any non-esoterically inclined person would "get" this though.

When it comes to the movies "Signs", "The Village", and now "Lady in the water", they are pretty pointless to judge "on the surface", since that is only the tip of the iceberg. The main content is under the surface...
 
foofighter said:
When it comes to the movies "Signs", "The Village", and now "Lady in the water", they are pretty pointless to judge "on the surface", since that is only the tip of the iceberg. The main content is under the surface...
I agree with this very much foofighter. And I think this goes for many movies and art in general.
 
Hi foofighter, your comments were...

The movie "Lady in the water" by and with M. Night Shyamalan is a truly alchemical piece of art. It is communicated in symbols and with a dual-meaning language, so that an interpretation using a normal dictionary would make no sense of it. Underlying its language is a story about change, promise of hope and the possibility for goodness.
That sounds like a great movie. Mr. Shyamalan is much more talented than most realize. He was the one who sent the woman to the forest, but in reality, she was getting out of the forest. I just remember that point more.

While your at the movie's I found this I felt was relative.

At the Movies: How External Cues and Perceived Taste Impact Consumption Volume
External cues such as packaging and container size can powerfully and unknowingly increase how much food a person consumes. Do they still, however, stimulate consumption as the perceived fa-vorability of a food declines? This was examined with popcorn in a theatre setting. Moviegoers who had rated the popcorn as tasting relatively unfavorable ate 61% more popcorn if randomly given a large container than a smaller one. Moviegoers who had rated the popcorn as relatively favorable ate 49% more when the container size was increased (and were likely to eat greater amounts if ac-companied with a person of the opposite sex). One reason for this increase was that consumers had more difficulty monitoring how much they ate from large containers. Implications for raising the consumption levels of healthy, but unfavorable foods are investigated.
The PDF is here, if you want to read more.
http://www[dot]foodpsychology.org/content/atthemovies.pdf


After seeing this, I've decided to get back in shape before Thanksgiving hits and we are swamped with more food. You have less than two weeks, so work hard, and knock some fat off with me.
 
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I just watched this movie and came here to write it up, but foofighter has already done a pretty good job of relaying the pertinent information without "spoilers". Good movie with lots of STO/STS and 4th density metaphors.

Shyamalan, after Signs, had lost me. I thought that film was a terrible disservice to the study of crop circles. It was either created from total ignorance of circles, or was a deliberate steaming pile of disinfo, butLady in the Water is filled with higher density symbolism and M. Knight has redeemed himself... at least for me.

If you have a Divx player, there is a good copy of the film here... if you don't have a Divx player, they have a link to download one:

_http://stagevu.com/video/fpnqaifmftbs

Two thumbs up and good fun for the entire family. The users of both dictionaries can take something away at the end of this one.
 
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Hi Foofighter,

I agree with you, first time I watched this movie I had same idea, all these symbols & subliminal messages and such a rafinesse, what a welcoming change from rest of the world cinematography orientated to ward lower chakkras.
 
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Rabelais said:
If you have a Divx player, there is a good copy of the film here... if you don't have a Divx player, they have a link to download one:

_http://stagevu.com/video/fpnqaifmftbs

Two thumbs up and good fun for the entire family. The users of both dictionaries can take something away at the end of this one.

On the other hand, if you liked this movie so much, you could always just purchase the DVD. :)
 
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foofighter said:
The movie "Lady in the water" by and with M. Night Shyamalan is a truly alchemical piece of art. It is communicated in symbols and with a dual-meaning language, so that an interpretation using a normal dictionary would make no sense of it. Underlying its language is a story about change, promise of hope and the possibility for goodness.

Just saw this movie and yes, I have to agree with foofighter's original review. Must watch for those who haven't.
 
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I loved this movie since the first time I saw it.
Definitely a movie I would recommend anybody.
 
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Rabelais said:
Shyamalan, after Signs, had lost me. I thought that film was a terrible disservice to the study of crop circles. It was either created from total ignorance of circles, or was a deliberate steaming pile of disinfo

I ignored Signs partly because of reviews like this and partly because of Mad Gibson , but then decided to watch it tonite. While everything
you said is true I still think Shyalaman did a great job. Signs is so gripping that I was sitting at the edge of my sofa until the end. I say its a great move if you just want to focus on the horror and range of other emotions sudden encounter with aliens would bring to us.

Lady in the water is next in line...
 
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Corto Maltese said:
I ignored Signs partly because of reviews like this and partly because of Mad Gibson , but then decided to watch it tonite. While everything
you said is true I still think Shyalaman did a great job. Signs is so gripping that I was sitting at the edge of my sofa until the end. I say its a great move if you just want to focus on the horror and range of other emotions sudden encounter with aliens would bring to us.

I agree with that. Apart from the disinformation about crop circles, I think the movie was very well made, it gave me the creeps (and I suppose that was the intent, wasn't it?). I like Lady in the Water a lot. The Sixth Sense didn't impress me that much. I don't know if I would want to watch "The Happening", as I've heard only bad reviews about it.
 
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I did like Signs but it seemed a little far-reaching to believe that their could be aliens who could travel from distant galaxies light years away yet were defeated by being trapped behind close doors. Seemed rather unrealistic. I do think Shyamalan presents a lot of interesting allegories in his films, particularly The Sixth Sense and The Village. I haven't watched Lady in the Water yet for some reason. My favorite of his is his first film, Unbreakable. Contrast that with The Happening, which was very poor.
 
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About Signs. If you asked a chemist to read Dwellings of the Philosophers, do you think he would rant about the disinfo it had about chemical processes, and how illogical it would be for the things described to actually work? Probably. But if you asked an alchemist to read the same book, as he reads the formulas those would be like a big sign saying "HEAR YE, HEAR YE, ALCHEMICAL INFORMATION INCLUDED, PLEASE EXCUSE THE CRAP I PUT HERE FOR THE MUGGLERS". And then the alchemist would know what to look for, and would read everything else through his own particular looking glass to glean said information.

Similarly, when you are watching Signs, and get all upset about the tacky story, the crop circle disinfo, and the idiotic notion that the circles are used for navigation, you can choose to view is as simply a bad movie. Lots'a bollocks. Or, you can upon seeing that go "hang on a minute, that is so obviously wrong that there's probably something fishy going on". Maybe the "crop circles are navigational markers" are "signs" that you can "read"? And for people who don't see them they'd tell their friends "Oh that Signs movie, it's just another alien-conspiracy-horror-drama flick, don't bother". And maybe that was the whole point of them being there.

So, while you were all upset with the idiotic idea that crop circles are used as navigational markers for aliens having traveled vast distances, did you also for example notice the allegory with the accident? You know: the "upper body" being severed from the "lower body" by a "car" whose "driver" was a "sleeping man" running into a "tree", thus making the "father" lose "faith" and renounce his connection to "god"? I thought that was pretty interesting. Or how about in the end, where the TV announces that people found out a primitive way of defeating the aliens, and the girl goes "they're doing this on the telly" and then starts to dance. Sounds familiar? And what got the aliens running? Water. Sometimes "water killed the aliens" will always be interpreted as "water killed the aliens", but in a movie that is full of allegory (signs, if you will), it might be something else? How about "truth"? Maybe the aliens preferred to stay in the dark, in the corn where they could not be seen, and having them out in the open made them too exposed? Who knows.

Or I might be just totally wrong about the whole thing and Dwellings of the Philosophers is a book about houses and chemistry and Signs is just yet another alien-conspiracy-horror-drama flick. I can't say I know for sure in either case. Sometimes things are what you make of it, more than what was intended by the creator in the first place.
 
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