Lessons in Self-Remembering?

Turgon

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Had a dream a few nights ago of being at school for weekend lessons. I had came to school a bit late with a girl (my girlfriend?) and someone pointed it out that I was late (I have a tendency to not be the most punctual person). But before I head to class I'm shown some ancient Irish cooking, and it's explained to me how it was made and what it was, but I don't remember the details.

I can't remember in what context this was, but I was shown a number of strange faces that seemed almost shadowy.

I finally reach my class, which I'm the only the student there, and my cousin's dad starts teaching me the lesson - which is to remember myself. There were 3 lessons to be taught.

1. He tells me to close my eyes than throws a plastic bag over my face to prevent me from breathing. I start panicing and freaking out, stop breathing - how anyone would react to something like that. But he points out I did not remember myself.

2. The 2nd lesson he's to my right and starts getting angry and starts yelling at me while making the motions to hit me. The same reaction occurs. I start getting scared, backing away and stop breathing. All of a sudden he appears on my left side smiling and I'm not nervous anymore. He makes some remarks about noticing the difference between the two.

3. Finally, the 3rd lesson has to do with sleeping outside in the rain overnight. I remember seeing through the lense of a camera watching the rain fall down all around and on the lense. Then I'm in my body and the night terror situations occurs. The same feelings of tenseness or of someone gripping onto my stomach muscles and twisting them around. I'm trying not to panic and breathe but it's hard because the gripping effect seems overpowering, like I was being twisted up into a pretzel.

I had done a Full EE session that night but fell asleep around the Ba-Ha portion while the CD was still playing. And have been reading ISOTM. A lot what Gurdjieff talks about have been frustrating me because it's right on the mark. Not remembering yourself, being one person now, then a few minutes later someone else. And seeing this in myself but feeling an overwhelming inability to do something about. Identification with thoughts and how easy it is, even when I put so much effort to remember myself and observe, my lens is still so narrow. Just as quickly as you remember to observe you fall back into sleep.
 
Hi DanielS,

very interesting dream there!

Just one note and I could be way off and simply project my own stuff here, as well as not having enough knowledge to assess it clearly. But I'm sure others will chime in if this was so.

If you look at these lessons your cousin gave you in the dream, what do you see? (And why by the way do you think it was -of all people- your cousin? What does he represent to you?) It could be helpful to find out if and in what way these lessons speak of major/specific programs in you.

As I see it, the first two lessons seem to be about you reacting mechanically in fear to something that is very threatening to you. (What is so threatening to you in real life?)

Have you considered that the self-remembering might be so hard because you do not yet have all the neccessary data pertaining to those programs in you?
As in, as long as pieces of understanding pertaining to our programs are lacking (that is, the understanding of them is not yet sufficient enough) so long it will be
hard to self-remember. As in there are still so many blind spots as to the roots and/or functioning of these programs that your still unable to be a true observer of them - instead your still in the midst of them (read: identified with them). Thus when your successful at self-remembering for a moment, you get plunged back into sleep the moment you happen across the programs you do not yet fully understand.

Meaning, as soon as your understanding of these programs deepens it will be easier to self-remember.


As I said, just a thought and as I'm not an able self-rememberer myself, it is very probable that I'm playing way out in the left field here. ;)
 
Puzzle said:
If you look at these lessons your cousin gave you in the dream, what do you see? (And why by the way do you think it was -of all people- your cousin? What does he represent to you?) It could be helpful to find out if and in what way these lessons speak of major/specific programs in you.

Specifically it was my cousin's uncle, but I'm not sure why him. When growing up I was a bit of a trouble-maker and when I misbehaved around him, he wouldn't hesitate to put me in line, sometimes physically.

Puzzle said:
As I see it, the first two lessons seem to be about you reacting mechanically in fear to something that is very threatening to you. (What is so threatening to you in real life?)

I've been trying to understand what core thing is causing me fear for a while now. I'm starting to get a clearer picture of why. I have a certain comfort zone, a box, and am fearful of going outside that box, putting myself on the line. This constant fear of not doing out of a fear that what I may be doing is wrong. But the not doing causes anger, frustation and regret on my part. Because when I look back, I see all these moments where if only I put some effort the result could have been different. The analogy that comes to mind is afraid of walking in the wrong direction so I keep standing still.

I'm trying to step outside of that box more often. So when situations arise where I would normally shy away, I'm trying to be more honest with myself. Yeah I'm nervous, or unsure of myself, but I don't want my life to be so full of regret. I have to be more open and honest, try and communicate and create relationships rather than always waiting for them to come to me because I'm afraid that this or that might happen, letting my self-importance get the better of me.

Puzzle said:
As I said, just a thought and as I'm not an able self-rememberer myself, it is very probable that I'm playing way out in the left field here.

Always that left side! You know, I had a hynagogic state last night, so I tried to observe as much as possible. Same feeling as in the dream too with it centered in my belly. One thing I noticed was that my left side, particularly my eye felt really lazy and heavy. I could only see through my right. And anytime I'm tired or can't think properly, my left eye feels numb, as if I'm seeing always through my right. Do you think this could be a physical representation of an energy drain or programs coming into play?

Because in the dream, when he appears on my left side, I'm calm and relaxed. Maybe a representation of integrating the left and right hemisphere's, male and female energies?
 
DanielS said:
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Identification with thoughts and how easy it is, even when I put so much effort to remember myself and observe, my lens is still so narrow. Just as quickly as you remember to observe you fall back into sleep.

Hi Daniel. Our internal dialog and established mental patterns can be very hypnotic, that is true. It looks to me like you can self-remember, but thoughts aren't the real problem, fear might be. Or, perhaps fear and thoughts cycling back and forth to keep your self-monitor clamped down? All three lessons seem related to fear/panic/breath(abdomen).

I get the impression that it is a left-right integration going on, but you might have to process a bit more emotion first...possibly related to early night-terror situations?

I got some really positive feelings about that second message. Since the EE works to blend both hemispheres I would say just hang onto the memory of the dream as some kind of sign post and just keep going but don't put any unusual pressure on yourself.

Don't forget how Laura points out in the Wave that the physiological effects of fear and excitement are identical! In the absence of any actual threat in your environment, what feels like fear may in fact be suppressed excitement with regard to learning or experiencing something new, different, or just plain fun! :)

Just my impressions, fwiw.
 
Daniel said:
Maybe a representation of integrating the left and right hemispheres, male and female energies.

Given the further context you provided, I think that is very probable. What Bud has written seems very much in the middle field (no left field/side anymore! ;) ).

Bud said:
I get the impression that it is a left-right integration going on, but you might have to process a bit more emotion first...

I got some really positive feelings about that second message. Since the EE works to blend both hemispheres I would say just hang onto the memory of the dream as some kind of sign post and just keep going, but don't put any unusual pressure on yourself.

I agree with Bud, it makes a lot of sense. Does it resonate with you, too?
 
Puzzle said:
Daniel said:
Maybe a representation of integrating the left and right hemispheres, male and female energies.

Given the further context you provided, I think that is very probable. What Bud has written seems very much in the middle field (no left field/side anymore! ;) ).

Bud said:
I get the impression that it is a left-right integration going on, but you might have to process a bit more emotion first...

I got some really positive feelings about that second message. Since the EE works to blend both hemispheres I would say just hang onto the memory of the dream as some kind of sign post and just keep going, but don't put any unusual pressure on yourself.

I agree with Bud, it makes a lot of sense. Does it resonate with you, too?

Totally! I was a little nervous about coming to that conclusion though. The idea that what sometimes happens with my vision on the left side could be part of left/right brain struggle, and that the dream may be reinforing that idea. Gotta remember to breathe though! I'm still really tense and having emotions coming to the surface. Sometimes it feels almost random. I may be driving and just feel intense sadness for some reason. Almost like I want to cry. Other times I just want to punch a wall!
 
Sounds like there's definitely something of progress going on inside you. As Bud said, carrying that dream with you as some sort of sign post seems the way to go.
Keep it up! :)
 
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