linguistics subject heading?

Novelis

Jedi Master
Hi,
This has been on my mind for some time now, but I haven’t really voiced my opinions on the subject. This is due to the fact that, when considering the current situation threatening the future of SOTT, the matter following will probably look like an unimportant issue - A mere sideline suggestion at best, or a distraction from the real issues at worst.

As an informal student of the Mandarin and English languages, I have been pondering the intricacies of linguistics and how to translate English into Chinese. To my knowledge (correct me if I’m wrong), there isn’t anyone here delving into this subject as a means of disseminating information to a greater audience, whom, if translations aren't made in time, might never get the chance of receiving this precious knowledge expounded here at SOTT.net because they can’t understand English.

Basically, I’ve been considering how the study of linguistics fits into the database that is the SOTT forum. Currently, there isn’t a separate subject heading for linguistics.

How the study of languages in itself contributes towards a greater understanding of objective reality IS studied and written about on the wave series and SHOTW, but there isn't a separate heading in the forum for which to post further studies on the subject.

I mean, looking through the headings from which one could post a possible contribution to the forum database, there are detailed categorizations for topics about history, dreams, diet and health, religion etcetera, but I’ve noticed that topics which deal with the subject of linguistics seem to be scattered around and not consolidated under ONE subject heading.

Consider as an example the fact that words have certain connotations, and the meaning of certain words have been changed forcefully by the PTB in order to trigger certain responses to certain words. Words like ‘terrorism’, ‘anti-Semitism’ and ‘cult’ are examples of the PTB robbing us of our freedom to express meaning to others.

How many times have you said a word and witnessed people ‘switching off’ due to ignorance over the real meaning of the words used?

This is one example of how knowledge of history and linguistics can help us in discovering the real meaning behind words and how to use them effectively. I won’t go into further details for now, but I’ve seen many writings by Laura where knowledge of etymology, for example, has played a vital role in ‘piercing the veil’ of disinformation and lies.

Why isn’t there a separate heading in the forum for analyzing various studies of language itself?

Maybe there could be a category on the forum made that specifically deals with the subject of linguistics and translations? I thought that since there are members on the forum that speak a wealth of different languages, maybe it could be useful for them to read and opine about research into linguistics?

I’m just offering a suggestion, which, IMO, could make searching for this subject easier in practical terms. Plus, I’d love to post my own discoveries about the Chinese language so that a greater understanding of the east could be brought about.

Consider, for example, how there are many “eastern gurus” (COINTELPRO) that are currently “interpreting” knowledge of the east into the west, but how little chance do we have of understanding what the meaning behind the actual words are?

Just looking at the Dao De Jing for example, there are countless translations that have been made, most of which totally obscure the true meaning behind the text, or which do not take into full account all the factors which make a credulous search into the “spiritual aspects” of the text fruitless or even dangerous.

Likewise, if we stand any chance of successfully learning from eastern cultures whose language roots are totally different to European languages, then not only may research into linguistics be useful, but posting proper translations of Indian, Japanese, Korean, Chinese Etcetera… texts might elucidate universal truths further.

I understand that there are more pressing subjects to look into at this time (psychopathy and ponerology for example), and my suggestion might be unimportant for SOTT’s purposes, but as a student of linguistics, I thought this suggestion could have some uses.

Any thoughts and opinions would be appreciated.
Thanks
 
Imo linguistics would indeed be a worthwhile heading in this forum, esp because -as Novelis mentioned- there were so so many situations (in Laura's studies) in which finding the roots to the words was essential to lift the veil and only thereby enable the next step to understanding..

I fully support your suggestion, Novelis. Linguistics seems to be an important subject of study. Including it into this forum would alleviate the study of it for us all. Combined effort.

I myself have planned to study this subject, but it is huge and as I'm currently totally occupied with studying for my healing practitioner exam, I have constantly postponed it. But for my case postponing some studies is essential, because if I 'dive' into the subjects of my interest I tend to forget all and everything about my all-day study stuff for school.. but I'm digressing. Let's see what our other forumites think about the study of linguistics.
fwiw
 
I support it too, so I'll create a separate forum for linguistics.
 
May I post the sequenced derivatives from the English language? At least as they are finished. This would only be text. Let me know if you would like a particular method.

Also, this type of process would allow corrective group measures.
 
OCKHAM said:
May I post the sequenced derivatives from the English language?
That sounds like a good idea, but how would you go about doing such? Have you got any ideas?

Laura said:
I support it too, so I'll create a separate forum for linguistics.
That's great! :)

But I was wondering, since there is now a new forum for this subject specifically, what to do about the threads already in existence that were a bit miscellaneously placed when this heading didn't exist?

Could certain threads now be re-organized into more accurate categories?

Is there anything I could do to help?

I mean, maybe it'll just sort itself out over time, but there is just so much information on the database already... All out of place... so what could be done to arrange the data into a more efficient system...?

I'm a bit discombobulated at the moment... Sorry, I used to be a library assistant. :P
 
If there are threads that belong here, give me the urls and I can move them in toto.
 
Laura, I really do not have a specific plan. I was hoping we could discuss a plan.

I do have many questions about how this might be implemented. For example:

Should each group have its own thread?
(There are between 5 and 600 groups total in the 3rd Ed. AHD.)

This information may bring up a better idea as to giving each one its own thread, although, I don't have an answer yet as this may take some creative thought.

There is also the question of titles and if this method is used, how would they be labeled?

Any constructive ideas would be helpful.
 
Well, I guess that the thing should sort of create itself. If you find an article, or there is a topic or idea that you wish to address, just create a thread and dive in! Don't try to rush it, just let it happen in relation to your own curiosity and researches. I'm pretty busy right now, but I have stuff to add when I get a spare minute. Gurdjieff has some great things to say about words and how the ones that are used in ordinary ways don't mean the same to different levels of "man." So, don't feel restricted or pressured!
 
Hmmm, good, the more I think about this procedure, the better for the moment. I have begun to come up with some ideas.

Now, not being an English teacher doesn’t help, but, if this were an element, the teacher might say, what about words like, adjective, adverb, synonymous, simile, etc., shouldn’t these be in a sticky up front? If people are going to attempt to learn the English language for what it really is, it is important to understand how sentences are constructed, especially for those who are unfamiliar with the language. I have seen there groups, so it would be easy to go back and consume them.

Knowing this, we could combine groups into one thread reducing the massive bunny trail, at least for some of the groups.

As far as the rest of the groups, we must at least designate the titles so that people can see the root targets. Another idea that is now popping up is a recent thread about how words are perceived; this is in relation to the first and last letter. This is of great interest, and should be kept close to the rim of the fire for awhile so as to see if this element can be applied properly so that it becomes useful.

There are more ideas cooking, but for now, as you say, not to rush it a good judgment. It would be a beginning of something seemingly new, but not new in the realm of existence without attaching a time clock to it.

Since these bodies are stuck to this time clock, it only seems new. Again, cooking is required.

It might also be wise to gander over to Norm Chomsky and some of his writings, and add more reference reading, as this is now added to the list of sources needing review. I’m preparing another big book purchase soon. Ideas are always welcome, as when it comes to books, sometimes you just add space.

Also, it would be nice if everyone close will take interest in seeking out anomalies and helping with corrections on the core root lists, and the moderators can handle this easily if we are set up to know exactly our methods. This may take some trial and whoopsies.

Don’t worry, I understand busy very well.
 
Laura said:
If there are threads that belong here, give me the urls and I can move them in toto.
History: Strange language of the Native American Piraha tribe

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=7238


What’s on your mind: Does anyone speak Romanian?

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8554


Designs of the times: Translations of the signs of the times and the forum

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=7911


Important notices to ALL forum members: Calling all Dutch speakers!

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=7929


Baked noodles: “I am that” by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=7843&p=3

(There is a bit about translations on the 3rd page of the thread)


The work: Why is it so hard to talk about the work?

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=7714&p=1


Tickle me: Weird and wonderful foreign phrases

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=7509


What’s on your mind: What are “swear” words?

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=7212


Questions for the SOTT editors: SOTT articles translated in Croatian

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=7124



SOTT focus: Pentagon strike video translation

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=6600


What’s on your mind: new SOTT French forum

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=6417


Questions for the SOTT editors: Working on Dutch translation for SOTT articles, please advise!

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5913


SOTT focus: “How psychopaths view their world” Mandarin translation

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5880


What’s on your mind: A meditation on symbolic language of 4th density

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5196


Diet and health: Speaking two languages into old age can stave off dementia

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=4885


Suggest an article of SOTT – and discuss: Robert Frisk: This jargon disease is choking language

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=4840


Political Ponerology: Macrosocial evil: Double speak in modern Pathocracy

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=3998


Our Orwellian world: Control the dictionary, control the world

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=3359


Travelogues: Japan

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=2807


Suggest an article for SOTT – and discuss: Framed: The politics of language

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=2272


Suggest an article for SOTT – and discuss: Bush wants newcomers to know English

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1563


Our haunted planet: Are birds trying to tell us things?

_http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=804


Well, that’s all for now, by no means does this list include ALL topics about linguistics, but it covers up to date topics on translations, para-linguistics, etymology, foreign languages and issues concerning double speak, usage and corruption of language.

Hope this helps to consolidate the topics into one area for easier access. It’s not my hope for these articles to be moved into the linguistics section, only for the threads to be expanded and accessed in the linguistics section as well.

That said, I have one more request/suggestion concerning the design of this new section:

The linguistics section is described as the following:

How many times have you said a word and witnessed people ‘switching off’ due to ignorance over the real meaning of the words used? Words have certain connotations, and the meaning of certain words have been changed deliberately by the PTB in order to trigger certain responses in the masses. Words like ‘terrorism’, ‘anti-Semitism’ and ‘cult’ are examples of the PTB robbing us of our freedom to express meaning to others. The study of languages contributes towards a greater understanding of objective reality.

Now, although I feel honoured that my writing was used to describe this section, I think the above doesn’t accurately describe the many studies that fits under the title of “Linguistics”. The above was just an example of one instance where the study of languages applies to our reality, and shouldn't be the synopsis under the "linguistics" title. As my list above suggests, there are many other studies that would fit as well.

May I ask that the synopsis for the section title “Linguistics” be changed to include other possible areas of study that could be posted into this section? I apologise for the trouble.

Thank you
 
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