Link/Difference between Soul and Consciousness?

[Eboard10]

I always thoght that the Soul and the Consciousness were two very distinct concepts and never dwelved in their true meaning and essence. I usually picture the universal consciousness as being this infinite matrix of knowledge and information which our mind has access to (though very limited in 3D) and from which all out thoughts actually come from. The awareness of a person is just another way of telling which level of the cosmic consciousness that person is able to access. However, I never had a clear view or definition for a soul. I always depicted the Soul from a religious perspective, so I never tried to give it a scientific explanation. However, by reading the C's transcripts (still reading Wave Book 1) I found a very strong connection between the two. I guess one could see the Consciousness as being the mind of the Universe while the Soul represents the body, so to speak.

September 30, 1994
Q: (L) Well, how can he do that when millions of people are praying
to him simultaneously?
A: Soul division.
Q: (L) What do you mean by soul division?
A: Self explanatory.
Q: (L) Do you mean soul division as in cellular meiosis where a cell
splits and replicates itself?
A: No.
Q: (L) Does Jesus' soul divide?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) How many times does it divide?
A: Endlessly as a projection of consciousness.
Q: (L) And what happens to this piece of soul that is divided or
projected?
A: Is not a piece of a soul.
Q: (L) What is it?
A: It is a replication.
Q: (L) Is each replication exactly identical to the original?
A: Yes. And no.
Q: (L) In what way is the replicated soul different from the original?
A: Not able to give individual attention.
Q: (L) Are any of us able to replicate in this manner if we so desire?
A: Could if in same circumstance. The way the process works is
thus: When Jesus left the earth plane, he went into another
dimension or density of reality, whereupon all "rules" regarding the
awareness of time and space are entirely different from the way they
are perceived here. At this point in space time his soul which was/is
still in the physical realm, was placed in a state of something akin to
suspended animation and a sort of advanced form of
unconsciousness. From that point to the present his soul has been
replicated from a state of this unconsciousness in order that all who
call upon him or need to be with him or need to speak to him can do
so on an individual basis. His soul can be replicated ad infinitum--as
many times as needed. The replication process produces a state of
hyper- consciousness in each and every version of the soul
consciousness.

October 18, 1994
Q: (L) Are you part of our higher consciousness?
A: So is everything else.

November 16, 1994
Q: (L) Where will the human beings go that are being formed on that
planet at the time of the realm border crossing?
A: Ancient earth.
Q: (L) They will go to ancient earth?
A: There is no time as you know it; its all just lessons for the
collective consciousness.

Furthermore, we have the concept of individuated souls being all sparks of the One Universal Soul at 7D. We also have the concept of the consciousness of the individual person. However, this is nothing more than an illusion, a game where we discover that while we think of having a unique soul and consciousness, in reality we are all parts of the One. Am I getting a good picture of the connection between these two concepts? I'm really interested in knowing more about it.

 

[shijing]

Hi Eboard10 --

Furthermore, we have the concept of individuated souls being all sparks of the One Universal Soul at 7D. We also have the concept of the consciousness of the individual person. However, this is nothing more than an illusion, a game where we discover that while we think of having a unique soul and consciousness, in reality we are all parts of the One. Am I getting a good picture of the connection between these two concepts? I'm really interested in knowing more about it.

I think that you have the right idea. In my present understanding, all souls are fragments of the unlimited consciousness that is being referred to here as the Divine Cosmic Mind. The statements that we are all separate and at the same time all one are not contradictory -- they merely apply to different contexts and realities. The way the the Divine Cosmic Mind seems to have chosen to learn about itself is through fragmentation into souls, and in this state of fragmentation, each soul is functionally independent and separate according to density (level of experience and understanding). The lower the density, the greater the sense of separation, and the higher the density the greater the sense of interconnectedness, which does not become absolute until seventh density, when/where presumably the barriers between all of the fragments (which have been progressively weakening during their progression through the densities) fall for good, and the lessons learned via fragmentation are ultimately integrated by the Divine Cosmic Mind. This process itself may be a cycle, and does not therefore occur only once in a single permutation.

I also think at this point that a soul (or soul fragment) consists of at least two inherent components which are not discretely separate from each other -- the first is consciousness itself, and the second is energy. I understand the latter as being literal electro-magnetic energy, although we have only a partial understanding of what that really is. Gravity comes into play here as well, although perhaps not in the same way -- the C's say that gravity is the 'binder', and it seems to be something that is very fundamental, but I don't yet have a good understanding of gravity in the way the C's discuss it as opposed to the conventional definition taught in our schools.

 

[Laura]

What is even more interesting is to search the transcripts for every mention of the word "soul". Most enlightening.

Bottom line seems to be:

Q: (GB) Could you explain the process of the soul?

A: Soul is consciousness, period.

Another interesting tidbit:

Each soul has its own patterning, which is held
in place by the three bodies of existence [planchette swirls a few times]
... “thought center, spirit center and physical center,” there are
specific methodologies for adjusting these, and travelling into or out
of other planes of existence. When one does not properly utilize
these, one tears the fabric of their trilateral continuum when they seek to
travel. This can be very problematic, and may lead to the soul being
unable to reconnect with the body, thus causing the physical center to
perish!!!

And this:

Q: As you know, the morning after the last session, I woke up in extreme pain. It took
several weeks to get this under control, and all the physical efforts seemed to have little
or no effect. I went to the chiropractor, I had acupuncture, massage, ice, heat, you name
it. I would like to know what was the cause of this physical attack?

A: Tenseness, aggravated by sleep posture and psychic tear in medial collateral veil of
etheric body. This leads to "opportunistic" invasion of energies intent upon harm.

Q: What was the cause of the weakening of the etheric body, or the "tear" you have
identified?

A: Emotional/psychic distress relating to original malady, and weakened resistance of
etheric protection system.

Q: When you mention an "original malady," what do you mean, specifically?

A: Muscular. Think of it as the etheric equivalent of bacteria invading a cavity.

Q: So, something broke through the veil of an etheric nature?

A: Yes.

Q: Can we identify them?

A: Represented by those who wish you were not as aware and as communicative as you
are; i.e. 4th density STS.

Q: Was it a spirit attachment, or was it more like a pipeline pumping in negative
energy?

A: Closer to latter. Recent events indicate attack. Vigilance should be powered up!

 

[Mountain Crown]

[QUOTE author=Eboard10]However, this is nothing more than an illusion, a game where we discover that while we think of having a unique soul and consciousness, in reality we are all parts of the One.[/QUOTE]

When contemplating this, it would be wise I think, to keep in mind the distinction between veiled and unveiled consciousness.

 

[Eboard10]

What is even more interesting is to search the transcripts for every mention of the word "soul". Most enlightening.

Bottom line seems to be:

Q: (GB) Could you explain the process of the soul?

A: Soul is consciousness, period.

Another interesting tidbit:

Each soul has its own patterning, which is held
in place by the three bodies of existence [planchette swirls a few times]
... “thought center, spirit center and physical center,” there are
specific methodologies for adjusting these, and travelling into or out
of other planes of existence. When one does not properly utilize
these, one tears the fabric of their trilateral continuum when they seek to
travel. This can be very problematic, and may lead to the soul being
unable to reconnect with the body, thus causing the physical center to
perish!!!

You found it! I was also doing a search of the words soul and consciousness though I stopped after a while as I didn't have much time.
Well, that settles things.

When contemplating this, it would be wise I think, to keep in mind the distinction between veiled and unveiled consciousness.

Yes, I think that the concept of veiled consciousness is similar to the concept of consciousness awarness and separation/fragmentation of the individual soul throughout the journey towards union with One at 7D. Shijing explains it very well in his post:

The way the the Divine Cosmic Mind seems to have chosen to learn about itself is through fragmentation into souls, and in this state of fragmentation, each soul is functionally independent and separate according to density (level of experience and understanding). The lower the density, the greater the sense of separation, and the higher the density the greater the sense of interconnectedness, which does not become absolute until seventh density, when/where presumably the barriers between all of the fragments (which have been progressively weakening during their progression through the densities) fall for good, and the lessons learned via fragmentation are ultimately integrated by the Divine Cosmic Mind.

 

[Human]

Sorry to jump in and intrude like this, I've just had a thought appeared in my mind while reading your last post. It's not directly connected to the topic, but nevertheless...

Yes, I think that the concept of veiled consciousness is similar to the concept of consciousness awareness and separation/fragmentation of the individual soul throughout the journey towards union with One at 7D. Shijing explains it very well in his post:

The way the the Divine Cosmic Mind seems to have chosen to learn about itself is through fragmentation into souls, and in this state of fragmentation, each soul is functionally independent and separate according to density (level of experience and understanding). The lower the density, the greater the sense of separation, and the higher the density the greater the sense of interconnectedness, which does not become absolute until seventh density, when/where presumably the barriers between all of the fragments (which have been progressively weakening during their progression through the densities) fall for good, and the lessons learned via fragmentation are ultimately integrated by the Divine Cosmic Mind.

That's the reason why only STOs can reach union with One at 7D, imo. They are willing to give/share their experiences with the rest of the gang there (with everybody/everything) and also they receive experiences from everybody else, becoming One with everything, while STSs do not want to share because they think (limited with fear or wishful thinking or...) they will loose something in this sharing process, i.e. they are still immersed in illusion of separation (maybe this illusion is one of the last lessons to be learned, i.e. to be completely broken just before the union with One at 7D). And then, they have to go all the way back again and learn their lessons from beginning.
Well, hope I didn't make lot of noise with this post.

 

[Eboard10]

That's the reason why only STOs can reach union with One at 7D, imo. They are willing to give/share their experiences with the rest of the gang there (with everybody/everything) and also they receive experiences from everybody else, becoming One with everything, while STSs do not want to share because they think (limited with fear or wishful thinking or...) they will loose something in this sharing process, i.e. they are still immersed in illusion of separation (maybe this illusion is one of the last lessons to be learned, i.e. to be completely broken just before the union with One at 7D). And then, they have to go all the way back again and learn their lessons from beginning.
Well, hope I didn't make lot of noise with this post.

You actually brought up an interesting point. If an entity's awareness increases the higher it moves up in the "density chain", how does it work for STS? At 4th density, STS have a lot more knowledge and awareness (hence access to a higher consciousness) than at 3rd but they tend to move towards pure STS (pure wishful thinking?) which could be seen as creating a bubble and separating oneself from the rest of the Universe. It's as if they are going in the opposite direction of the STO; rather than moving towards Total Union, they tend to move towards total non-existence. As the C's point out, densities 1-6 are still part of the Grand Illusion and it's only when one reaches 7D that he experiences Reality. But then, what is non-existence? Is it actually also part of Reality which is needed to balance total existence? Could it be that all these balance/duality concepts which we find in this Universe/Illusion are but expressions of the balance which is found in Reality??

Just something that passed through my mind. Could be as well complete balooney...

 

[Biomiast]

Hi Eboard10,

You may want to check out what Laura wrote about Being vs. Non-being from Cassiopaea Glossary. It is quite lengthy actually, but to give you some idea, here is a small excerpt:

The great Sufi Shaykh Ibn al-'Arabi explains that "imperfection" exists in Creation because "were there no imperfection, the perfection of existence would be imperfect." From the point of view of Sheer Being, there is nothing but good.But Infinite Potential to BE includes - by definition of the word "infinite" -the potential to not be. And so, Infinite Potential "splits" into Thought Centers of Creation and Thought Centers of non-being. It can be said that Infinite Potential is fundamentally Binary - on or off - to be or not to be. That is the first "division."

Since absolute non-being is an impossible paradox in terms of the source of Infinite Potential to BE, the half of the consciousness of Infinite Potential that constitute the IDEAS of non-being - for every idea of manifestation, there is a corresponding idea for that item of creation to NOT manifest - "falls asleep" for lack of a better term. Its "self observation" is predicated upon consciousness that can only "mimic" death. Consciousness that mimics death then "falls" and becomes Primal Matter. What this means is that the "self observing self" at the level of the Master of the Universe is constituted of this initial division between Being and Non-being which is, again, only the initial division - the on/off, the yes/no - of creation. You could picture this as an open eye observing a closed eye. It has been represented for millennia in the yin-yang symbol, which, even on the black half that represents "sleeping consciousness that is matter," you can see the small white dot of "being" that represents to us that absolute non-existence is not possible. There is only "relative" non-existence.

These "thoughts of being and non-being" interact with one another - the observer and the observed - like a viewer looking into a mirror. Creation manifests between the viewer and the mirror. It is at once real - because it consists of matter informed by consciousness - and unreal because it is ultimately composed of only consciousness acting on consciousness.

...

 

[Nević Nenad]

That's the reason why only STOs can reach union with One at 7D, imo. They are willing to give/share their experiences with the rest of the gang there (with everybody/everything) and also they receive experiences from everybody else, becoming One with everything, while STSs do not want to share because they think (limited with fear or wishful thinking or...) they will loose something in this sharing process, i.e. they are still immersed in illusion of separation (maybe this illusion is one of the last lessons to be learned, i.e. to be completely broken just before the union with One at 7D). And then, they have to go all the way back again and learn their lessons from beginning.
Well, hope I didn't make lot of noise with this post.

You actually brought up an interesting point. If an entity's awareness increases the higher it moves up in the "density chain", how does it work for STS? At 4th density, STS have a lot more knowledge and awareness (hence access to a higher consciousness) than at 3rd but they tend to move towards pure STS (pure wishful thinking?) which could be seen as creating a bubble and separating oneself from the rest of the Universe. It's as if they are going in the opposite direction of the STO; rather than moving towards Total Union, they tend to move towards total non-existence. As the C's point out, densities 1-6 are still part of the Grand Illusion and it's only when one reaches 7D that he experiences Reality. But then, what is non-existence? Is it actually also part of Reality which is needed to balance total existence? Could it be that all these balance/duality concepts which we find in this Universe/Illusion are but expressions of the balance which is found in Reality??

Just something that passed through my mind. Could be as well complete balooney...

Maybe it is more precise to say broaden our perceptions then moving up density chain. Densities are levels (or planes) of perception which depends on level of consciousness. I think that soul is energy that has awareness of itself, conscious energy. And that energy is becoming more conscious about itself and everything around with gaining knowledge and experience. So to say discover itself, though STS is maybe more prone to imagine themselves.

Maybe I am wrong but I think that we are not parts of the 7th density, or "the one". That thought make us think that 7th density is made of parts which is than united, that sounds very linear to me. I’m prone to think that 7th density is "the one" which then divides itself on indefinitely numbers of divisions, and that divisions are us, me you and everything. So everyone is simultaneously 7th density (the one) and something other, which depends on the current level of consciousness and perception. In other words the one is everyone and everything, but with different colors wear on and in different times.

Came to my mind that first perception of divisions of the one, or differences in "the one" could be 6th density. If so, maybe difference between 6th and 7th density is large as difference between 3D and 6D.

Maybe non-existence is non-consciousness, energy that has no awareness of itself? But even if it has no conscious, or don’t have a soul, it could be legitimate universe, 7th density, The One, or so to say, part of it, because we can think of whole (the one) only as a bunch of parts at the moment, which is unfortunately result of our 3D linear thinking.

Am I discovering hot water and soap again?

 

[Eboard10]

Maybe I am wrong but I think that we are not parts of the 7th density, or "the one". That thought make us think that 7th density is made of parts which is than united, that sounds very linear to me. I’m prone to think that 7th density is "the one" which then divides itself on indefinitely numbers of divisions, and that divisions are us, me you and everything. So everyone is simultaneously 7th density (the one) and something other, which depends on the current level of consciousness and perception. In other words the one is everyone and everything, but with different colors wear on and in different times.

I actually didn't mean parts of the One, but part of the One. Sorry about that. :/

Came to my mind that first perception of divisions of the one, or differences in "the one" could be 6th density. If so, maybe difference between 6th and 7th density is large as difference between 3D and 6D.

I'm sure it is. As long as you're in 6D and under, you're still inside the illusion. But the problem (for us 3D) when trying to set distances and differences is that space and time don't really exist.

Maybe non-existence is non-consciousness, energy that has no awareness of itself? But even if it has no conscious, or don’t have a soul, it could be legitimate universe, 7th density, The One, or so to say, part of it, because we can think of whole (the one) only as a bunch of parts at the moment, which is unfortunately result of our 3D linear thinking.

Yes, unfortunately there is only as much we can perceive with a 3rd density awareness, the problem being that we have difficulty understanding in absolute terms. The notions of Zero and Infinty are the ones that have always puzzled mathematicians and physicians in the search of the foundaments of the Universe and existence.

I try to picture Non-Existence as being Zero while Total Existence as being Infinity. As the C's said: zero is infinity. Who knows...

The great Sufi Shaykh Ibn al-'Arabi explains that "imperfection" exists in Creation because "were there no imperfection, the perfection of existence would be imperfect." From the point of view of Sheer Being, there is nothing but good.But Infinite Potential to BE includes - by definition of the word "infinite" -the potential to not be. And so, Infinite Potential "splits" into Thought Centers of Creation and Thought Centers of non-being. It can be said that Infinite Potential is fundamentally Binary - on or off - to be or not to be. That is the first "division."

Since absolute non-being is an impossible paradox in terms of the source of Infinite Potential to BE, the half of the consciousness of Infinite Potential that constitute the IDEAS of non-being - for every idea of manifestation, there is a corresponding idea for that item of creation to NOT manifest - "falls asleep" for lack of a better term. Its "self observation" is predicated upon consciousness that can only "mimic" death. Consciousness that mimics death then "falls" and becomes Primal Matter. What this means is that the "self observing self" at the level of the Master of the Universe is constituted of this initial division between Being and Non-being which is, again, only the initial division - the on/off, the yes/no - of creation. You could picture this as an open eye observing a closed eye. It has been represented for millennia in the yin-yang symbol, which, even on the black half that represents "sleeping consciousness that is matter," you can see the small white dot of "being" that represents to us that absolute non-existence is not possible. There is only "relative" non-existence.

These "thoughts of being and non-being" interact with one another - the observer and the observed - like a viewer looking into a mirror. Creation manifests between the viewer and the mirror. It is at once real - because it consists of matter informed by consciousness - and unreal because it is ultimately composed of only consciousness acting on consciousness.

The concept of total non-existence has always been of interest to me; I've discussed this notion in other forums, ending up with more questions than answers. The main issue is that the mere action of thinking about non-existence or trying to understand it is contradictory in itself, as you are trying to picture some-thing. In a sense I agree with him when he says that there is only "relative" non-existence for the simple fact that total non-existence is just not. From my understanding the "relative" non-existence is basically another way of saying not total existence or part of the illusion, as we all are in this moment. So he's not really touching the absolute concept for the reason that as long as we are in the illusion we can't. Just my opinion though (for the moment)...