Live Vote Do you agree with Bush’s plan - Conflict in Iraq

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Take a look at this poll:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16552198/

Do you agree with President Bush's plan to add 21,500 troops to those now in Iraq? * 225481 responses

Yes. The United States can still win this thing militarily; a sizable increase in troop strength, and help from the Iraqis, will turn the tide
31%

No. Define "win." After nearly four years, neither our country nor Iraq is better off. More troops going out means more body bags coming back.
69%
Notice that there is no option of "no win"?
 
US takes war to Iran, Syria

* Geoff Elliott and Mark Dodd
* January 12, 2007

GEORGE W. Bush has defied popular opinion, top generals and Congress with a plan to escalate US military involvement in the Middle East by sending more troops into Iraq and threatening attacks against terror cells in Iran and Syria.
The US President yesterday admitted mistakes in the war in Iraq but warned that withdrawal would cause mass killing "on an unimaginable scale".

Instead, he committed to boosting American troops involved in the long-running war by another 21,500 to more than 150,000, with most to be sent to tackle the heart of sectarian violence in the capital, Baghdad.

Delivering a much-anticipated address in Washington yesterday, Mr Bush accused Iran and Syria of aiding the insurgent attacks on US troops in Baghdad.

And he vowed to "seek out and destroy" any terror networks supporting the insurgency, saying the move was an essential step towards securing victory in the war, which has claimed more than 3000 US lives and cost more than $US400 billion ($511 billion).

The US appears to have already moved to carry out its threat, with American troops yesterday raiding the Iranian consulate in northern Iraq, detaining five staff.

John Howard yesterday backed Mr Bush's strategy and refused to rule out boosting Australia's Iraqi force of 800 troops. The Prime Minister said defeat in Iraq would be an "unbelievable boost to terrorism", carrying "enormous consequences for the stability of the Middle East".

"The alternatives the President faced were either to announce what he announced or effectively indicate that the West could not win in Iraq and start making arrangements, however it might be camouflaged, for a withdrawal," Mr Howard said.

Many in the foreign policy elite in Washington - including the bipartisan panel known as the Iraq Study Group - had recommended Mr Bush step up a diplomatic push to try to engage Iran and Syria for assistance in helping secure Iraq's future.

Yesterday he said succeeding in Iraq required defending its territorial integrity and stabilising the region in the face of extremists.

This, he said, began with addressing Iran and Syria, which were allowing terrorists and insurgents to use their territory to move in and out of Iraq.

"Iran is providing material support for attacks on American troops," Mr Bush said. "We will disrupt the attacks on our forces. We will interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria. And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq."

Sounding sombre but defiant in his nationally televised speech, Mr Bush accepted responsibility for mistakes made in Iraq but made no apologies.

He admitted efforts to secure Baghdad had failed and made clear the US involvement was not "open-ended", calling on Iraqi authorities to meet their promises or risk losing the support of the American people. He also unveiled a $US1 billion package of economic incentives to help encourage the Iraqi leadership.

His plan to boost troop numbers puts him on a collision course with an increasingly anti-war Congress, controlled by Democrats after the party's poll success in November but also home to more Republicans willing to speak out against the war. But he said: "To step back now would force a collapse of the Iraqi Government, tear that country apart and result in mass killings on an unimaginable scale".

He told Americans to expect more US casualties and did not specify how long the additional troops would stay.

Mr Howard said Australia would stay the course alongside "our most important ally and friend". He said Australian troops were continuing to do useful work in Iraq, helping provide training and security in the south of the country.

Mr Howard added that he still believed it was the right thing tohave gone into Iraq and attacked Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd's demand for an Australian pullout.

Mr Rudd said Mr Bush's speech indicated the war in Iraq was being lost. And he repeated his call for Mr Howard to explain to Australians the Government's policy on the Iraq war.

http://www(dot)theaustralian(dot)news.com.au/story/0,20867,21046728-31477,00.html
 
Iran says more U.S. troops in Iraq will lead to further insecurity

A senior Iranian official said on Thursday that more U.S. troops in Iraq will lead to further insecurity in the violence-torn country, the official IRNA news agency reported.

U.S. President George W. Bush's decision to increase the number of U.S. military forces in Iraq "will only result in further insecurity and tension in that occupied country," Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad-Ali Hosseini said.

In a prime-time televised speech Wednesday night, Bush said that he had ordered more than 20,000 additional American troops to Iraq, as part of his new Iraq strategy.

Hosseini said that Bush's new strategy for Iraq was intended to continue the U.S. occupation of that country and came as "an unpleasant present to the American people for the new Christian year."

He said that an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq would be the only way to solve Washington's "numerous problems" in that country.

In his speech announcing the new Iraq strategy, Bush also accused Iran of supporting attacks on American troops in Iraq and vowed to "disrupt" the attacks.

Hosseini dismissed the U.S. president's accusation, saying Washington was "seeking pretexts for its failed policies in the country."

He also lashed out at Bush's decision to deploy Patriot air defense systems to the region, saying the move was intended to bolster U.S. support for Israel.

"We and all world Muslims condemn such a move," Hosseini was quoted as saying.

http://english(dot)people(dot)com.cn/200701/11/eng20070111_340372.html
 
U.S.-led forces detain 6 Iranian workers

By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA Associated Press Writer
© 2007 The Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S.-led multinational forces detained six Iranians Thursday at Tehran's diplomatic mission in the northern city of Irbil, Iraqi officials said, as President Bush accused Iran and Syria of aiding militants and promised to "interrupt" the flow of support as part of his new war strategy.

The U.S. military said it had taken six people into custody in the Irbil region but made no mention of a raid on the Iranian consulate.

The forces entered the building about 3 a.m., detaining the Iranians and confiscating computers and documents, two senior local Kurdish officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information. Irbil is a city in the Kurdish-controlled north, 220 miles from Baghdad.

Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said the government was seeking clarification from the Americans and the Iranians "about these people and what they were doing there and whether they were employees."

In Tehran, Iran's Foreign Ministry summoned the Iraqi and Swiss ambassadors and "demanded an explanation" about the incident. Switzerland represents American interests in Iran, where there is no U.S. Embassy.

Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini told state-run radio that the raid was "against a diplomatic mission" since the "presence of Iranian staffers in Irbil was legal." Hosseini claimed the action by coalition forces reflected a "continuation of pressure" on Iran, aiming to "create tension" between Iraq and its neighbors.

At the Pentagon, a senior U.S. military official said the building was not a consulate and did not have any diplomatic status. The six Iranians were taken in a "cordon-and-knock" operation, said the official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

The raid came as tensions are high between Iran and the United States. The Bush administration has accused Iran of seeking to develop nuclear weapons and of helping fuel violence in Iraq. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, meanwhile, is trying to expand Tehran's role in Iraq as a counter to U.S. influence in the Gulf region.

Al-Dabbagh said any improvement in relations between the United States, Syria and Iran would only help Iraq.

"Sometimes we pay the price for the tension in relations between Iran and the United States and Syria, therefore it is in our interest ... that these relations improve, but not at the expense of Iraq," he said.

Bush's new strategy, however, ignored key recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, which in December called for a new diplomatic offensive and an outreach to Syria and Iran. Instead, he accused both countries of aiding terrorists and insurgents in Iraq.

"We will disrupt the attacks on our forces," Bush said. "We will interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria."

Politicians and ordinary Iraqis, meanwhile, expressed skepticism Thursday that Bush's plan to send 21,500 more troops to Iraq will quell the violence in their country, but some offered weary acceptance of any effort to stop the carnage after several failed past attempts.

The varied reactions underscored the challenges facing the Shiite-dominated Iraqi government, which is under pressure to rein in predominantly Shiite militias as well as Sunni insurgents as both sides have killed thousands in spiraling sectarian attacks.

An aide to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki welcomed the new strategy but stressed that the government must take the lead in the military action. The plan also envisions 10,000 to 12,000 Iraqi troops to secure Baghdad neighborhoods, and al-Maliki has announced plans for a new Iraqi security operation, although similar efforts have been unsuccessful.

"The failure in Iraq will not only affect this country only but the rest of the region and the world, including the United States," al-Maliki aide Sadiq al-Rikabi said.

"The current situation is not acceptable _ not only for the American people but also for the Iraqis and their government. As Iraqis and as an elected government we welcome the American commitment for success," he added. "The Iraqi government also is committed to succeed."

"The American plan cannot succeed without us because we work in the same field in order to defeat violence and terrorism and boost the democratic system," he said.

A Sunni lawmaker rejected the plan to send more U.S. troops and called instead for a timetable for them to withdraw, while other critics from both sects said it wouldn't succeed because of the power of mostly Shiite militias that have been blamed for much of the recent sectarian violence.

"Bush's plan could be the last attempt to fix the chaos created after the invasion of Iraq. Yet, sending more troops will not end the problem, on the contrary, there will be more bloodshed," said Sunni lawmaker Hussein al-Falluji.

Kurdish lawmaker Mahmoud Othman said the "plan will fail. Sending more troops and financial support will not help if there is no sectarian and political solution."

"Sending troops and pumping money could improve the situation for some time, but I am not optimistic," he said.

He also said it was a bad idea to send Kurdish troops to fight Shiite militia members in Baghdad "because they don't know the area and they don't know the people. There will also be new Arab-Kurdish sensitivities."

Osama Ahmed, a 50-year-old Sunni who works in the Ministry of Higher Education, said he got up early to watch the speech, which was broadcast live at 5 a.m. Thursday on Iraqi state television.

"More U.S. troops will mean more wasted blood and more people killed," Ahmed said. "The violence will surge unless U.S. administration decides to curb militiamen who are part of the Iraqi government."

He accused the Shiite-dominated government of backing the militias in attacking Sunnis, saying "there is no point of giving more security responsibilities to the Iraqi government because it is a sectarian government and it is responsible for the violence hitting the country."

Abdel-Karim Jassim, a 44-year-old Shiite trader, said he had hoped Bush would come up with something other than the troop increase.

"Sending more troops will not solve the problem," he said, although he acknowledged that "Iraqis cannot handle security issue on their own because of the sectarian divisions and the strong militias and insurgents."

Awad Mukhtar, a 35-year-old technician, said Bush's new proposals could be Iraq's "last chance" for peace.

"The security situation in Iraq is very bad, we are facing death at any moment daily," Mukhtar said. "I see the new Bush strategy as the last chance for Iraqis to save their lives ... we have no other choice, only to wait and see the results."

In other violence:

_ A suicide truck bomber hit the house of the head of the municipal council in Samarra, killing three people and wounding 33, police said. The Sunni mayor was slightly wounded.

_ Gunmen killed a professor driving home from the University of Mosul in northern Iraq.

_ Suspected Sunni insurgents set fire to a large oil pipeline in northern Iraq, interrupting the flow from the Kirkuk oil fields, an official of the Northern Oil Co. said.

http://www(dot)chron(dot)com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4463340.html
 
I barely caught half the speech but something I found puzzling was the fact that he mentioned palestine at all. His whole freedom and democracy joke of a hoodwinking was, as Laura has pointed out more times than I can count, the usual blame the other guy for exactly what your doing.

Edit: He's done nothing but talk about Palestine and some forgotten road map of peace. I hope the facts become more drilled into americans minds, so far as the facts about Palestine.

After watching I came here and found this http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=4754 which blew me away. It is soo strange how we (the US) are so full of ourselves. If by chance America had not met with resistence would our moral character be so questionable? What I mean by that is, sure people are stirring in the slumber and awaking to what is going on but if things had been easier wouldn't American (vain) pride still be the song of the day here in the states?

Thanks for the excellent links and articles Keit, sHiZo963!
 
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