Liver hemangioma

[Konstantin]

I dont know if it is ok to start a new topic about this. Please move this topic to appropriate place if this is not ok.

Since few months ago my wife was feeling a sharp pain under her right ribs. We suspected that it was some liver problem. I ordered some ALA and she took them for about a week and the pain was gone. But anyway she went to a doctor and after an Ultrasound was done the doctor said that she have an Liver hemangioma , and that its not a big deal.
She was also diagnosed with duodenitis( duodendum inflamation ) and heavy gastritis. So according to this her digestive system is a mess.
After we came back home she was very upset and i was trying to comfort her telling its not a something that cant be fixed. She needs to make few more tests next week, like a blood test and a gastroscopy. She was also complaining about heartburn and strange feeling in her esophagus. That is probably a damaged esophagus from the stomach acid.

Few years ago she went to same tests, but she dont changed anything in her diet so her condition can improve. She took some acid blockers pills that doctor prescribed her but nothing really helped.
I tried to take her attention to her diet and liver detoxification as a important things. I think that it will be a good idea for her to take some NAC, Milk Thistle, and continue with ALA.

Also few years ago her gynecologist find that she have an Uterine fibroid on the outer wall of the uterus , and he also said that its not a big deal.. So now when i`m connecting dots, i`m thinking in direction that this uterine fibroid and Liver hemangioma, are somehow connected. Maybe some hormonal disbalance ( like estrogen overload) or toxic overload are some of the main factors for this condition. ( iodine can fix this )

Also she have a candida and helicobacter pylori overgrowth. She tried many things to cure it but she is not disciplined enough to keep with some anti-candida diet or treatment. Just for a few days and she goes to her old eating habits.

She likes bread and home make baked food. I`m always talking how she must quit eating wheat and gluten and caseine in general in order to help her body to repair. She is a 35 years old .

I was also thinking about introduction of iodine to her. She have a lot of symptoms that she need iodine. One of them is a painful breasts from time to time. But with the digestive system in that condition i dont know how will she react. Also she is very suspicious taking anything that is not prescibed by a doctor.

So i guess that correcting a diet and some liver support supplements will be the best start , but i also want to hear what others can suggest. Its always better when networking.

 

[nicklebleu]

As long as she continues to eat gluten her condition is unlikely to improve - but that is, of course, her choice. I had quite severe reflux for many years and going off gluten cured it in a matter of a few weeks.

Sure, taking this or that supplement might at least alleviate her symptoms, but things won't change in a meaningful way, until she is going to address all the issues surrounding her health, and I'm not only talking gluten.

I can understand, that this very difficult for you - I was in a similar situation for some years, but there is not a whole lot you can do. I might actually have made things more difficult for my wife to be able to change things by constantly going on about it - maybe best is to let go (as hard as this is going to be) and be there for her. I found that women are quite sensitive to their man wanting "to fix" them ...

Good luck!

 

[Gaby]

Topical iodine might be a good option for her:

http://www.lynnefarrow.net/sensitive.html

It should be safe enough, that even when she doesn't change her diet or do a detox protocol, it might not give her troubleshooting.

If she has H.pylori and yeast overgrowth, very poor gut health, hormonal imbalances and still doesn't want to change her diet... then she may as well do the eradication protocol for H.pylori and then take anti-fungals for candida. It should improve her digestive issues and who knows, she might actually feel encouraged to eat better afterwards.

The protocol is gruesome and sometimes it has to be repeated several times before digestive issues improve if she doesn't change her diet. The supplements you listed will provide some help. Probiotics will be necessary afterwards or even during the protocol if there is diarrhea (saccharomyces boulardii and lactobacillus rhamnosus are very important in diarrhea induced by antibiotics)

There is no free lunch. She really has to do something about it if she wants to feel better. Either anti-microbials or diet + supplements. The antibiotics should be reserved for those who don't get well on dietary and lifestyle changes + supplements.

As you can imagine, nowadays most people choose the antibiotics. For the most part, out of ignorance. Poor digestive health and debilitating symptoms do improve after the eradication protocol. Even if 3 rounds are needed. It is a pity that she won't do dietary changes even when she knows it helps.

 

[theos]

If your wife won't change her diet there's not much that you can do. Various supplements may relieve some of the symptoms and help for a little while but who knows how much help they will be in the long run.

Has your wife's doctor suggested surgery to remove it? (Though they're usually not removed unless they cause ongoing problems.) Maybe the prospect of surgery might get her to change her views on diet change. Maybe not.

 

[Phill4]

If she likes baked foods at the very least you could suggest to her baking with non-gluten flour, of course, she needs a more strict treatement to fix the problem, she must ask.

It is hard to leave some foods specially if she has not made the conection, but a good start like i said would be non-gluten flour and xylotol baked goods.

If she likes cooking try showing her recipies and poke her to read on it, people's experiences with the iodine protocol and dangers of non organic GMO food.



Try to explain to her a pill wont reverse years of intake of bad foods, hope she listens to you

 

[loreta]

I agree me too with everyone here. Diet is the basic, she needs to take conscience of this. Can you print some articles for her, put some videos that she can loot at them? The decision is hers, evidently.

I was very sick in 2012 with a problem of irritable colon and my life changed thanks to the advises of this forum about diet. I received a lot of help here. I was so sick that I though that I wont be anymore a normal person, going outside, be happy. And doctors don't help you, never. But the decision was mine, nobody forced me. So your wife needs to take conscience that changing gradually her diet she will improuve her health. Maybe you can look at good stories of healing here in the forum, in the normal section, not private section, print them and read them to her. Sometimes we need a little "push" to wake up. And it can not be a drastic change, but a gradually change, little by little. Good luck Konstantin!

 

[Konstantin]

Thank you to all of you for the advises.
Today she made a blood test and the results are surprisingly good. :)
All blood parametars are in a normal reference range except for Helicobacter pylori.
The normal reference range is up to Max 1.1 U/ml and my wife value for that is 2.1U/ml.
I dont think that its too big so its a good news , but it must be treated .
For tomorrow morning we have appointment at one private clinic where a specialist ( Gastro-enterologist ) will do the rest of the tests. Like Gastroscopy , some more detailed Ultrasound and maybe some more tests if its needed.
After all this examinations we will have a better picture of her digestive system and especially esophagus. She have a feeling that something is stucked inside when she is eating.Sometimes she feels like a pain. We have researched for possible Hiatal hernia and she have many symptoms of that condition. Also the doctor that examined her said that her stomach is very inflamed and somehow unusually elongated, somehow deformed and that maybe that is the reason why stomach acid is leaking into her esophagus.
Making diet changes will be the main part of all this. So i`ll try to help her and assist as much as i can. She must do that if she wants to improve her health. I have told her that and she confirmed that something must be done. :) . It sounds promising.

I found some more informations about Hemangioma on curezone.
_http://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=172591

If the diagnoses are correct then it doesn’t appear to be that bad and it should be OK to liver flush. Both of the conditions you have mentioned appear to be related to estrogen. If you are a woman then this may be useful information otherwise it is more difficult to explain.


A hemangioma is a benign (non-cancerous) tumor consisting of dilated blood vessels. When a hemangioma occurs in the liver it is called a hepatic hemangioma. It is the most common non-cancerous tumor of the liver and called “cavernous hemangiomas”. It is believed to be a congenital (present at birth or inherited) defect, and is usually not discovered until medical pictures are taken of the liver for some other reason.

Cavernous hemangiomas, can occur at anytime, but are most common in the 30s to 50s. Women are affected much more often than men.

Hemangiomas may cause bleeding or interfere with organ function, depending on their location. Most cavernous hemangiomas do not show symptoms. In rare cases, a cavernous hemangioma may rupture. (The only symptom may be an enlarged liver.)

Most cavernous hepatic hemangiomas are treated only if there is persistent pain.

Pregnancy and estrogen-based medications, birth control pill, HRT, some steroids, can cause cavernous hemangiomas to grow.

Hepatic adenoma

Although relatively rare, its incidence seems to have increased over the past few decades since the introduction and widespread use of oral contraceptives (incidence 3 to 4/100,000 long-term oral contraceptive users). It has also been associated with the use of anabolic steroids and is a complication of some types of glycogen (carbohydrate) storage disease. This tumor occurs almost exclusively in adult women. Most female patients with adenoma have a history of oral contraceptive use, either current or remote. The duration of oral contraceptive use in such patients is variable and may even have been as short as 1 to 2 years.

Have you ever seen someone with a strawberry birth mark? We the growth is like that.

Now you know what it is you can take control and set about your own cure. You need to review all your medications to see if they are a problem. Anabolic Steroids (some creams for acne) could in theory make things worse.

A flushing regime for this brand new year may be a great way forward in starting to restore the balance in your body.

So maybe it is somehow connected with estrogen. Introducing iodine very very slowly will be a good thing. As Gaby said maybe a topical application first until her digestive system heal enough and can tolerate small amounts of iodine orally. But we have a long way until we reach that place. Some Liver detox protocol will be something that she also must do.

 

[Konstantin]

We spent 2,5 hours at the doctors office today. First the Ultrasound. He saw that his colegue find a liver hemangioma few days ago. He was looking to see it but he couldnt find anything.
Where have he saw that hemangioma, said the doctor.
But the first doctor was sure that there is one .
And by the way he said that he has never saw a bile and a pancreas in a better condition then her.
In a just 2 days 2 " experts" could not agree what are they seeing on Ultrasound.

The second part was the Gastroscopy. I insisted to be present on the procedure because my wife have an anesthetic and she could not listen or watch what is going on. I watched everything on a screen.During the procedure doctor was talking and explaining what is on the screen. Just a mild small abrasions on the internal wall of the stomach Like a 2-3 mm red spots) , and some lite pinky rash on the inside , not on the entire surface. Then some bigger abrasions( or pre ulceration as they name it) in the duodenum opposite the bile duct. The only problem that he addressed was the upper sphincter muscle between the esophagus and stomach , infection and the abrasion in the stomach and duodenum. HE said that sphincter muscle is too weak so he cant close the opening as it should. No signs of any hernia. The changes in the stomach were probably caused by the Helicobacter and he prescribed a protocol to eradicate it.

The interesting part where i became very frustrated was when everything was over and when he prescribe the therapy. I started to ask him and one his female assistant what kind of medicine is that. They divided the protocol in 3 phases. First one is a 10 day anibiotic protocol. Not just one , there are 3 antibiotics. Then next 10 days some kind of proton pumps and more antibiotics. And the third phase which should last about 30 days is some mild antibiotics, and some " stuff for the stomach" . So its 12 different types of drugs that they prescribed. I you dont damage something else in the body after so much drugs it will be a real miracle.

I was very persistant and i was asking them what are " that stuff for stomach". They we ignoring me and just talk as usually how shoul one take the therapy. I repeated few times my questions and they looked very suprised. How I dare to ask them what is that. They are doctors, they know. We should just listen, say thank you, pay the bill and come in a few months for a new round.
Dont look at me like that i said. Just explain to me what kind of drugs are they. I dont think that they know how to explain but one of the drugs was a SEDATIVE. From when sedatives became a stomach drugs ?

Then they give us the list of foods that she can eat and foods that she should avoid. Just like that , its a printed sheet of paper and all patients get the same.

I mentioned , and asked if gluten can cause her stomach problems and will it be better if she try to avoid it. They asked if she is alergic to gluten and we said no. Oh, then you can eat gluten, dont worry its totally safe for you then.

Then i asked about Candida, and they said that its not possible that it can cause her stomach problems.

Can somebody get a REAL doctor here, not just types like this. Then they mention the milk and said that it will be better if she avoids it. Thank god i sad that something have a common sence. She is not drinking milk. She hate it.

Final conclusion was that her stomach is producing too much acid. THen i asked if the stomach is producing a lot of acid because the actual acid is too weak and stomach needs a stronger acid in order to digest food. IN order to compensate that maybe stomach is producing more acid and that extra acid is going back in esophagus and damaging it. So if she takes that medications to lower her acid, her food will be undigesed. And then a few moments of silence. Dont go in those details they have said. Its a subljct of physiology and hormonal disbalance.
So lets fix the root of the problem not put the problem under a rug.

And this should give a nice image of our health system. I never liked to go to visit doctors that think that they know everything and that a few pills can fix all. This just confirmed that even more.

 

[Gaby]

And this should give a nice image of our health system.

Yeah, it sounds pretty bad. I would venture to say worse than the average, but actually, I'm pretty sure there are worse cases.

 

[theos]

And this should give a nice image of our health system.

Yeah, it sounds pretty bad. I would venture to say worse than the average, but actually, I'm pretty sure there are worse cases.

Yeah. This sounds pretty typical of the health care system. Aside from diagnosing (which, as you've seen, is not 100% accurate) and emergency surgery for broken bones or injured bodies, the health care system isn't worth much at all.

 

[Konstantin]

And this should give a nice image of our health system.

Yeah, it sounds pretty bad. I would venture to say worse than the average, but actually, I'm pretty sure there are worse cases.

Yeah. This sounds pretty typical of the health care system. Aside from diagnosing (which, as you've seen, is not 100% accurate) and emergency surgery for broken bones or injured bodies, the health care system isn't worth much at all.

I `m saying those words every time when i want to describe today modern medicine.That is the only thing that they can do. Everything else is just a corrupted science, and a lot of damaged and injured people. I`m really sick of all that. I must come back to good old iodine again.

 

[Konstantin]

Is it a good idea that my wife can take some antifungals like fluconazole together with the H.Pylori antibiotics protocol. The doctors said that they have not seen any signs of candida in her digestive system , but she have candida for sure. So after this protocol i think that her candida infection will flare up even more. So adding some probiotics will be good , but should she take some antifungals in the same time so we can eradicate all those criters at once. I know that it will be more brutal this way but if it must be done then it must be done.

 

[Leland]

While I was on the h pylori course, especially since I was "ok" but by no means really better, I kept searching and continued to run into things like this:

General Overview of Candida with links to studies cited
__http://www.yeastinfection.org/causes-of-candida-overgrowth-infection/

Assessment of co-existence of Helicobacter pylori and Candida fungi in diseases of the upper gastrointestinal tract.
__http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20224149

Vacuoles of Candida yeast as a specialized niche for Helicobacter pylori.
__http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24833856

The two can live together, and h pylori can even live inside candida!

I read hundreds of peoples' accounts with h pylori antibiotic rounds, and how so many of them weren't getting better at all. Or if they did, it was very short duration and symptoms would return.

If you search for ulcer/h pylori symptoms and then compare with candida, especially esophageal candida, the symptoms overlap as to be the same.

Based on that, and the metals issue occurring at the same time, I had a hunch this may really be candida. Midway during the course of the antibiotics for h pylori, I began taking caprylic acid and monolaurin (lauric acid), each 1000-2000 mg 3x day. You can get both by taking tablespoons of coconut oil, but the ratio will give much less caprylic. Alternatively, you could do coconut oil plus capsules of caprylic.

__http://www.laney.edu/wp/corlett/files/2012/01/Fatty-Acid-Composition-of-Coconut-Oil.pdf

It helped while I finished the antibiotics, but the improvement was really accelerated once I stopped the antibiotics, and continued with the fatty acids. Of course the die off symptoms increased at that point. So just how you will explain the, "Dear, you're gonna feel worse before better," I'm not sure, and especially in light of the other challenges, but she will have die off with the diflucan as well :(

Those two acids fighting candida are pretty well documented on "official" and MD sites, so maybe you could show her some of those. Monolaurin especially so in supporting the immune system, and given to babies in the hospital for same. Who doesn't want to "fight" a yeast and "support" their immune system? You could also confirm with doctor it is ok to take them (can't imagine they'd say no).

I was going to suggest the baking but already done. Maybe you could bring home some rolls and sweet stuff made with healthy flours and sweeteners? Test a few first to make sure they would meet with approval. Or do you have any friends/family already eating that way who might make some treats just to show they can be good and satisfying, while helping to "fight" candida.

 

[loreta]

Today my cousin in Canada asked me questions about Coconot Oil. She told me that her friend take coconot oil for an ulcer. And she is curing it!

Your wife is very lucky to have you as a husband. You take care of her, this is admirable.

Good luck.

I have always this sentiment, when I go to see a doctor, to loose time and energy. All the doctors I know and knew are incompetent, and hopefully sometimes I did not follow their advices. I remember when I went to see the "stomach specialist" for my irritable colon. I was very sick but I started to follow the paleo diet. I asked him what he thought about eliminating gluten of the diet and cut the carbohydrates of the diet also. His answer was: no. So I thought: if you say no, is yes. Thank you very much!

Doctors make me sick. Why don't look for Ayurvedic ailments?

 

[Konstantin]

Thank you Loreta.
Coconut oil is very expensive here and once we have some of it and my wife didnt like it. This week she will start the antibiotic protocol for H. Pylori. After first round of 10 days she needs to change the antibiotics and do another 10 days and maybe at this point we will start with some aticandida drug also. Doctors never even mentioned probiotics , but we will put some good quality probiotics in the evening.