Looking at the past, going towards the future

knowledge_of_self

The Living Force
Dear Laura and group

I don’t really know how or where to begin this post, but I think it’s long over-due.

Victoria’s recent passing left me wondering about many things. Including asking myself who am I, and what is it I want out of this life.

After what happened with Marie, (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5635.0) I feel like I have been falling for a long time. Part of me was always scared to be judged by all of you or what you would think of me if I came back and made this post. But somehow, I don’t care anymore. I ran away and was too stupid to see ahead of my own big ego. So I distanced myself from you, because I thought you wouldn’t forgive me. Because I thought, you thought less of me. And after all said and done, I ran away… despite you telling me not to. Maybe it was because of stupidity, fear, the predator, deep programming/blocks, I don’t know… but after that thread I got neutralized. I felt like I lost my friends and your respect, because of a mistake.

Ever since then, I’ve been reading here and there, psychological books that has been recommended here like Trapped in the Mirror, Unholy Hungers, etc.. I “lurk” on the forum but don’t share any thoughts because I feel like what I have to say probably won’t add anything, and other people will say what I want to say at some point.

Nima (my spouse) kept reading SOTT and the forum after that whole Marie situation a lot more than me. From time to time, we would discuss different threads. He would say I should write my thoughts on the forum, but I wouldn’t. He says that he thinks Marie was an agent, maybe partly sent to neutralize me, and stop me from doing the work… and maybe that’s true ( though I think that’s too self-important to think, because, who am I?) He also blames himself. He says it’s his fault that he didn’t listen to Laura’s advice from the start. And because of his ego, he facilitated an environment where such an attack occurred. I’ve come to a point of not wanting to blame anyone but myself. I feel like it was all my fault, I made the stupid post on Cass-chat, I invited her (even though it was both our idea), and most importantly I didn’t tell you guys about it. I put the group in danger, and so I lost your respect. At least I thought I did… and I ran away.

I don’t know where I read or heard this, but someone once said that if you’re doing the work and you run away, either you’ll completely go back to sleep, or you’ll come back because nothing can ever be the same again. Well nothing has ever been the same for me. I feel like I’ve just been sitting on the fence, stagnant.

After reading about Victoria, I couldn’t stop thinking of what if when I walk out this door, it will be my last time. Do you have any regrets I thought? Well I do… and that’s not telling you how sorry I am for that mistake, and for running away… and that I still want to be someone that makes a difference in this world. Even if it’s as little or big as what Victoria did for the forum. And that at the end of the day, this group is the only place I ever felt at home… because I don’t know any other group who strives to better themselves without being selfish.

Well that’s all I have to say, funny how after writing this, an ‘I’ in me does NOT want to post it. Keeps telling me that there is no point. But these are things I have wanted to say for a long time, I’m sad it took a death for me to just SAY it.

~Nina~
 
Hi,

I hope you guys learned your lesson(s), it's very important to remain as careful as possible.

Welcome back! :)
 
Knowledge_of_self said:
I don’t know where I read or heard this, but someone once said that if you’re doing the work and you run away, either you’ll completely go back to sleep, or you’ll come back because nothing can ever be the same again. Well nothing has ever been the same for me. I feel like I’ve just been sitting on the fence, stagnant.

Perhaps are you referring to the below extract from ISOTM?
"When a man comes to the conclusion that he cannot, and does not desire, to live any longer in the way he has lived till then; when he really sees everything that his life is made up of and decides to work, he must be truthful with himself in order not to fall into a still worse position. Because there is nothing worse than to begin work on oneself and then leave it and find oneself between two stools; it is much better not to begin. And in order not to begin in vain or risk being deceived on one's own account a man should test his decision many times.
 
Welcome back !

From what I've learned, this forum is not about judging people, rather about pointing out probable things we can not see ourselves, based on input/situation you present. What we have to loose here ? Ego ? By all means :)

May be you needed time to absorb & realize things that you did. I would think it would take time to sort things out after such situation.

Doesn't matter how much time it took, since there is no timeframe on how fast lessons are learned & you can not jump over your head. It takes as long as it takes.
 
Marcus-Aurelius said:
Perhaps are you referring to the below extract from ISOTM?
"When a man comes to the conclusion that he cannot, and does not desire, to live any longer in the way he has lived till then; when he really sees everything that his life is made up of and decides to work, he must be truthful with himself in order not to fall into a still worse position. Because there is nothing worse than to begin work on oneself and then leave it and find oneself between two stools; it is much better not to begin. And in order not to begin in vain or risk being deceived on one's own account a man should test his decision many times.

Yes that's one of the quotes, thanks for writing it here again, wow that rings so true...
There are other Gurdijeff and Don Juan quotes with the same message, and every time I would read them it would send goosebumps down my body.

agni said:
From what I've learned, this forum is not about judging people, rather about pointing out probable things we can not see ourselves, based on input/situation we present. What we have to loose here ? Ego ? By all means :)

Yes, the mirror... I guess I was just ashamed that I ran away when I received it.

May be you needed time to absorb & realize things that you did. I would think it would take time to sort things out after such situation.

Doesn't matter how much time it took, since there is no timeframe on how fast lessons are learned & you can not jump over your head. It takes as long as it takes.

What you said above is very true. I did need some time to absorb everything that was said, but at the same time I was so disappointed at myself. I kept thinking that I was not fit to give any advice or share thoughts on here.

And yes, I definitely did need some time, to do some searching to see if the work was really for me. And in that time, while I still read and observed myself, it was hard not having so many people to bounce ideas off of, and share thoughts/lessons with. And at the same time dealing with everyday psychopaths and of course, watching our world go to hell in a hand-basket without being able to talk about it to anyone except Nima. Don't get me wrong, Nima is great company and I'm thankful that I have a partner that is into talking about variations of subjects. But sometimes, we would reach blocks that neither of us could help the other with because we are personally connected. Therefore, those conversations would sometimes turn into feeding dynamics. Which is very common, since we are all machine.

I think in the end taking the time to realize how important the work was, was worth it.. as the old saying goes "better late, than never."

Thank you for all your warm welcomes. I'm here to stay! :)
 
Deedlet said:
What you said above is very true. I did need some time to absorb everything that was said, but at the same time I was so disappointed at myself. I kept thinking that I was not fit to give any advice or share thoughts on here.

Hi Deelet

Your above comment caught my eye. It may be worth trying to dissect this yourself to see what it may show up. For one your negative introject was in full control, pushing the old emotional buttons. This usually indicates there is an unresolved emotional issue buried in there somewhere.
However, the best lie contain some truth....in a way (all being machines working to wake up) none of us are able to give advice or share thoughts that are not mechanical in some way....yet we do to the best of our ability in an effort to gain more and more objectivity. So can you see how there is the tiniest taste of the truth presented in a very black and white mannor?
It does not take into account all the data but uses the taste of truth and the old emotional pain to keep you trapped??

Once you can see it, should anything similar come along you can generally unravel it quite easily. fwiw :)
 
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