Lost a friend to cancer

Mr Meowgi

The Cosmic Force
Please post this message where you see fit. On Tuesday April 24 2012 we lost a very close friend to cancer. She chose what was recommended by her doctor which was the commonly used treat of chemo and radiation. She underwent 4 months of chemo to no avail. What really bothered me about the whole thing was the fact that other options were ignored. This woman was 49 years old when she passed. My mother in law who is now 83 was diagnosed with throat cancer over two years ago now and is doing very well. She got down to 92 lbs and is now back 121 lbs. The difference is with what therapy was used. The family helped her to chose vitamin C D and K as well as chelation treatment which was balked at by her doctors. All tests since introducing the alternative treatments have shown either marked improvement or no change. She is healthy! The woman who recently passed away used one of the larger "Advertised" treatment centers, and while well meaning, they basically killed her. Her quality of life over the past 6 months was miserable. I may be blowing smoke here but, I know what I see.
 
Sorry to hear of your loss, Mr. Meowgi. What you wrote has happened to innumerable others. You are basically right about your observations, in my opinion. That's what I think too. Take care of yourself and as you probably know we're here if you want to discuss it further or need emotional support/need to vent. :hug2:
 
I'm sorry for your loss and I hope your friend now rests in peace.

Mr Meowgi said:
What really bothered me about the whole thing was the fact that other options were ignored.

That's revolting. Like in too many other fields, black is white and white is black. You see very aggressive, expensive and ineffective treatments being promoted or even enforced and you see a lot of natural, cheap, efficient treatments being suppressed.

Even when you know all that, when you've read about the truth concerning those treatments, it is so difficult to say no to chemo & radiotherapy because it also means you say no to doctors, to authorities, to medias, to social pressure, peers and family beliefs.
 
Belibaste said:
Even when you know all that, when you've read about the truth concerning those treatments, it is so difficult to say no to chemo & radiotherapy because it also means you say no to doctors, to authorities, to medias, to social pressure, peers and family beliefs.
And there's the rub, isn't it?

"A man's enemies shall be of his own household," comes to mind
 
Mr Meowgi said:
The woman who recently passed away used one of the larger "Advertised" treatment centers, and while well meaning, they basically killed her. Her quality of life over the past 6 months was miserable. I may be blowing smoke here but, I know what I see.

I certainly don't think you're blowing smoke here, Mr Meowgi. Your assessment sounds totally accurate and I'm glad your mother didn't fall for the trap of the "conventional" cancer treatments (and that she was able to heal herself), though I'm sorry that your close friend did and paid for it with her life. The medical establishment obviously has no idea what they're doing with cancer (or worse, they do) and it's a shame that so many are under the impression that they have any capability in healing such an illness.

Take care of yourself :hug2:
 
I watched my grandmother spend two years fighting cancer with chemo and radiation while refusing pain medications because she wanted to be able to feel when she was getting better. But, the cancer spread and she died instead and I know what I saw too.
 
I would have to agree.
We just went through the same thing with my little brother.
I tried so hard to convince everybody to work with me on his diet and try less harmful
treatments before the chemo route. But it was to no avail. Nobody would listen.
 
My mother passed away from cancer at the end of January. She lived for only 6 months from her diagnosis to her death. Her quality of life at the end has been horrible, and the actual cause of death were the side effects from the chemo, not cancer itself.

Her doctor said that chemo prolonged her life for 2-3 months. But, he also followed the tradition of not burdening the patient, or their relatives for that matter, with the truth about the advanced state of their illness. He just avoided the subject of surgery and ordered more chemo as per standard protocol. Meanwhile, my mother wasted away. What makes me most incredibly angry now is that, all the people -- my father, my grandmother, the doctor himself -- kept saying how impressed they were with my mother's spirit, how she was so strong, never complained, how she was so determined to beat the illness. So much that even at death she never knew what hit her.

I rebel against it with all my heart. I wish that for once in her life, faced with the end of her path, she would stop being so damn strong. I lament all the important conversations we didn't have because she was so sick from chemo and so determined to conserve her strength for the healing that never came, that she would refuse to talk to me. I lament it for both me and her. There is meaning to be found in everything. I just wish it played out differently for us.

This article captured how I feel, and contains some important truths:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203918304577243321242833962.html

Years ago, Charlie, a highly respected orthopedist and a mentor of mine, found a lump in his stomach. It was diagnosed as pancreatic cancer by one of the best surgeons in the country, who had developed a procedure that could triple a patient's five-year-survival odds—from 5% to 15%—albeit with a poor quality of life.

What's unusual about doctors is not how much treatment they get compared with most Americans, but how little.

Charlie, 68 years old, was uninterested. He went home the next day, closed his practice and never set foot in a hospital again. He focused on spending time with his family. Several months later, he died at home. He got no chemotherapy, radiation or surgical treatment. Medicare didn't spend much on him.

It's not something that we like to talk about, but doctors die, too. What's unusual about them is not how much treatment they get compared with most Americans, but how little. They know exactly what is going to happen, they know the choices, and they generally have access to any sort of medical care that they could want. But they tend to go serenely and gently.

Doctors don't want to die any more than anyone else does. But they usually have talked about the limits of modern medicine with their families. They want to make sure that, when the time comes, no heroic measures are taken. During their last moments, they know, for instance, that they don't want someone breaking their ribs by performing cardiopulmonary resuscitation (which is what happens when CPR is done right).

In a 2003 article, Joseph J. Gallo and others looked at what physicians want when it comes to end-of-life decisions. In a survey of 765 doctors, they found that 64% had created an advanced directive—specifying what steps should and should not be taken to save their lives should they become incapacitated. That compares to only about 20% for the general public. (As one might expect, older doctors are more likely than younger doctors to have made "arrangements," as shown in a study by Paula Lester and others.)

Why such a large gap between the decisions of doctors and patients? The case of CPR is instructive. A study by Susan Diem and others of how CPR is portrayed on TV found that it was successful in 75% of the cases and that 67% of the TV patients went home. In reality, a 2010 study of more than 95,000 cases of CPR found that only 8% of patients survived for more than one month. Of these, only about 3% could lead a mostly normal life.

Unlike previous eras, when doctors simply did what they thought was best, our system is now based on what patients choose. Physicians really try to honor their patients' wishes, but when patients ask "What would you do?," we often avoid answering. We don't want to impose our views on the vulnerable.

The result is that more people receive futile "lifesaving" care, and fewer people die at home than did, say, 60 years ago. Nursing professor Karen Kehl, in an article called "Moving Toward Peace: An Analysis of the Concept of a Good Death," ranked the attributes of a graceful death, among them: being comfortable and in control, having a sense of closure, making the most of relationships and having family involved in care. Hospitals today provide few of these qualities.

Written directives can give patients far more control over how their lives end. But while most of us accept that taxes are inescapable, death is a much harder pill to swallow, which keeps the vast majority of Americans from making proper arrangements.

It doesn't have to be that way. Several years ago, at age 60, my older cousin Torch (born at home by the light of a flashlight, or torch) had a seizure. It turned out to be the result of lung cancer that had gone to his brain. We learned that with aggressive treatment, including three to five hospital visits a week for chemotherapy, he would live perhaps four months.

Torch was no doctor, but he knew that he wanted a life of quality, not just quantity. Ultimately, he decided against any treatment and simply took pills for brain swelling. He moved in with me.

We spent the next eight months having fun together like we hadn't had in decades. We went to Disneyland, his first time, and we hung out at home. Torch was a sports nut, and he was very happy to watch sports and eat my cooking. He had no serious pain, and he remained high-spirited.

One day, he didn't wake up. He spent the next three days in a coma-like sleep and then died. The cost of his medical care for those eight months, for the one drug he was taking, was about $20.

As for me, my doctor has my choices on record. They were easy to make, as they are for most physicians. There will be no heroics, and I will go gentle into that good night. Like my mentor Charlie. Like my cousin Torch. Like so many of my fellow doctors.
 
I'm sorry to hear about your terrible loss, Hildegarda, and everyone else that's gone through similar trauma of a loved one die suffering with false hopes of recovery from this death industry. Words don't describe well this and all other tragedies we're faced with.

It's good to get informed and do what we can for those open to learn how to resist these pressures.
 
SeekinTruth said:
I'm sorry to hear about your terrible loss, Hildegarda, and everyone else that's gone through similar trauma of a loved one die suffering with false hopes of recovery from this death industry. Words don't describe well this and all other tragedies we're faced with.

It's good to get informed and do what we can for those open to learn how to resist these pressures.

I second that. It is very sad indeed, that so many people fall victim to conventional methods of treatments promoted by the health industry, which have been proved to be a certain street to death in many cases. I can't wrap my head around the fact, that this phenomenon persists - but it does (as also been witnessed by myself), as it is possible in a pathocracy (or should I say "patho-crazy"?).

My deep condolences and hugs to all of you, who are mourning a loss of a loved one: :hug2: :hug2: :hug2:
 
Thank you all for your thoughts. We had a party to celebrate Dorleen's life yesterday. It was very nice. I think what blew my mind was the fact that the day after she died I was reading SOTT about the blasting of chelation by FDA doctors and state board doctors. It was uncanny that at that time an article of such would come out. I spoke to another friend at the party who just finished chemotherapy. My wife and I told him about her mother's success with chelation and vitamin treatment. He told us that his doctor was telling him about the number of cases of cancer he has seen in the last year that are traveling in all directions of the body, and how it is a bit of a mystery as to the why of it. I will say this about Dorleen. Last year at this time she had lost weight and looked great. Perhaps her rapid weight lose triggered a release of stored heavy metals in her system. She had been fighting a law suit with the federal government as well because at 28 she had to have a radical hysterectomy to remove cancers. She served in the army in the early 1980s and had been exposed to toxins in Germany where she was stationed. Her quick death just makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up because of the other circumstances involved. Again thank you all for chiming in.
 
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