Lost Time Dream

wodasi

Jedi Master
I had a dream that simply told me that I had lost some time.
( no other details -not when - not how- not how long )
it repeated over again three or four times that I had lost time.
upon wakening I realized why I was where I was at?

My Question is could they pull you just so you would avoid
a chance meeting, or other event marker that could radically
change your life?
I had thought of this before seeing the movie "Dark City"
but it really brought it home after that ?

anybody else feel that something ought to have happened
to them by now, or is it simply emotional stuff that keeps us stuck?
( but I swear I set up back up help to come in before I
incarnated to help with this if it went to far ? )

if you can't understand this - ignore it -
 
wodasi,

I believe I may understand what you are saying. The "time" that you wrote that post was approximately the same "time" that I was experiencing "changes" in my perception of "time". I had been studying the past "threads" of this site and I had felt like I had been studying them for hours but when I looked at the clock only about 5 - 10 minutes had passed! I suppose I had absorbed hours of information in five minutes!? I then sent emails to myself to ascertain these "changes" that were occurring. After feeling like I had ascertained a reference from which to measure a change i.e. computer clock, email sent/received clock (of different email addresses) It seemed that there was something strange happening. There seemed to be gaps in time from being sent to being received of a span of about 4 hours when it had only been about a minute or so. Thus, I sent the following email 3 - 4 four times [edit: to Ark] hoping that he may be able to help me understand what is happening. I then decided to take a walk around campus and the campus seemed to have changed slightly. I felt as though I were in a dream....similar to a lucid dream....but at the same time it was very very real. As I walked around campus I decided to hold my breath. As I did so it seemed that breathing wasn't really necessary. It was as though what was outside was inside and vice versa, therefore, I didn't need to breathe because it was one and the same thing. However, evertime I came close to this realization something "strange" would happen. A door would make a sound as though it had just now been "slammed" shut. This happened over and over and over, thereby, distracting me each time I almost had the realization of not having to breathe. There are more details to this story, but I thought I would let you know that I think I understand what you are talking about....because I don't know what I don't know....[edit: when I mean "time" I mean SAME DATE SAME "TIME"]

Here is the email I sent:

[Edit: The meaning of Nine]

If you have the "time" and ponder it so, how might the following.....be able to let you go?

How may a question ever answer itself?! mmmm....let's see!....

But first I'd like to ask whether or not... you may ascertain the rules of knock knock!

Quotation, Quotation in the sand how many sticks are in my hand?

If you drop a piece of gum on the ground for one second and then did it four more times and chewed them all at once would you be breaking the five second rule? Ever wonder why spaghetti sticks when it's done? If you agree that a church is a church only if people attend then you would also agree that a church is still a church when all people attend minus one. What happens when there is only one person left? Scientists found that psilocybin mushrooms really do cause people to have spiritual experiences. I knew Tim Leary was on to something. Vasectomies cause chromosomal abnormalities in sperm, and stress relief improves women's fertility. It was also announced that RU-486, an abortion drug, can alleviate depression within hours. I wonder what the situation was with the guy who had to "knock on wood" maybe his girlfriend knocked his and now we have Viagra to boost anti-depressant sales. The sky is blue because of ozone. If the ozone is depleting then we can safely say depleting blue still appears blue. Scientists announced that rich people live longer than poor people. They also said money can't buy happiness. But on a positive note for the poor- global warming is causing Greenland's glaciers to melt. There are more poor people than rich people and more rich people live on the coast than in any other class. I'd bet my drunk donkey with a broken leg that poor people contribute more to the pollution that is causing global warming. Scientists say that the melting of the polar ice caps will cause the coastal waters to rise an average level of twenty feet around the world. I think Carl Jung might agree that it is the poor peoples' cultural consciousness way of "sticking it to tha' man." People whose bodies produce a specific cellular enzyme known as monoamine oxidase A are more likely to be neophiliacs, a condition that manifests itself in an incessant need for newness. I think the government should appoint MTV Cribs as the official profiler of this genetic disease. If you think your shit don't stink then your mother will probably agree according to scientists. If money can't buy happiness then is Warren Buffet's 33 billion dollar donation to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation really a cry for help? If Sacha Boran Cohen gave a shit his knowledge of US culture could really help peace for peace in the US [fighting for peace is paradoxical]. The Income Tax "Law" isn't a law. If I were Rupert Murdoch I'd buy MTV because they don't sell music they advertise culture. But on a more important note….anybody know what's up with that kid in Nepal?

Window, window, in my wall how might seekers of "truth" not know true "Will" from physical 'keep stickin' it to ya' laws?

Well It seems to me and so quite concise a piece that the above has all the answers with questions, statements on both ends of its questioning/interweaving piece!

But not to stray from this great play.......or perhaps I stray too much ALL day? Those periods with Capitals that may rule the "sea" have failed to sum and now must see the expression layed out as answers to a?/their? knocking plea? A sequential adding does not know that summing "parts" can always be greater than their sequential "whole":

We're just A bunch of Dum-Dums aren't we?

A culture accepting a "modernization is progress" philosophy must reap the "benefits" that such seeds sow. By keeping in mind our current pitiful state of an increasing girth of America's belt superimposed onto a concominantly decreasing rate of America's mental growth and increasing rate of reliance upon external technology to provide for us the means to process information to supplement/compensate (maybe a better word might be "validate") our "average" lack of intelligence to resolve/process "trivial" tasks coupled with a "I don't know how it works it just does" mentality an unsettling paradox arises and becomes increasingly obvious by way of the repetitive application of such a philosophy.

The "constructive" processes built into this philosophy undermines True progress. It seems to effectively maintain a strategic separation of intelligence as a by-product of successful re-iteration. It deems a modernizing system as productive, a technologically productive system as modern and a technologically able modernizing system as progressive.

However, technology replaces manual internal, informationally processive tasks with external ones. A product of such an external type is deemed "out-dated" being replaced by an "up-dated/up-graded/cutting-edge" one that has an increased capacity in processing capability dismissing the then internal informational processing system required to maintain progress within the "big picture." This internal, informational processing reductional algorithm as a progressive outcome must effectively reduce current levels of such internal informational processing schemas available. The inevitable outcome is an overall average reduction in the processive capabilities of the individuals subjected to such algorithmic re-iteration.

A symptom of such a reduction would then become apparent as a deficiency of such schemas, that is, a deficiency in average cognitive capabilities. Such cognitively deficient, rather, processively (and progressively) understimulated people increasingly become nothing but a co-optive necessity for such transducive mechanisms as vis-a-vis re-iterations to be deemed a success. This internally destructive/"without cognitive recognition" by-products only help to ensure a successful completion of this algorithmic re-iteration.

Decreases in cognitive recognition of destruction veiled as "The Modernizing of a Society", "Technological Innovations for the 21st Century", etc becomes both as oxymoronic and paradoxical concepts within the light of such perspective and requires honest investigation with an open-mind to bring to light such well hidden cognitive destruction that has skewed perceptions as to the real meaning of progress.

Unfortunately, it seems that much of society today have been successfully deceived by such algorithmic schemas. Though their perceptions are not without good intentions nor without "logically sound" justifications but it is the very adoption of their perceptions without cognizant recognition of those destructive principles veiled within the very system they have chosen to co- opt.

A symptom of such successful algorithms may then seem to appear as an incurable epidemic. Such problems in perception stemming from having chosen to co-opt or having been unconciously co-opted by such a system will remain. Any problem without cognizant recognition cannot be solved. However, "Where there is a will there is always a way."

So now I give you[] "The Best" a beast of burden to pounce your chest. I know you know, you know, you know, but how much you know, "you know" may not be best when you may "Know Not" even if it is above most all else. Might knowing, "some knowing", simply "rest on others knowing", or might "KNOWING", accounting for "All": like separating the searching blind, blinding searcher, and blind searcher from "must pity parlors" by looking like the "rest"?

If a thought may strike inof All that's wrongandor right shall I not ponder such thoughts as wholeandpart dissecting by Will the Truth and what is not? I ask an answer in question ofin myself to seek, Is it not a truth that time is relative requiring only a reference point for measure? If none then none? If so then so? Aaah both statements are true inasmuch as they are false....and yet?....What is the answer of black or white? To Be or Not To be? Shades of grey? So I ask what is it for experience? I seek and have answers of any and much of suches...but one such I keep having had rung bells inof me as True that to seek inof wishing is wishing to seek partial Truths! What might I do I ask as I choose to seek as I do? To not be of wishing and to be of wishing is this the one I might do? Oooh....I think I might I think I will choose what is Not and Be what is Real and True! But what is Not wishing?... For to Not wish is a wish to Be! Oh No a loop! There must be another way....I comprehend only partial essence and comprehend not. How is it not to Wish in such times as these? "We WISH you a Merry Christmas!" "Happy Birthday to You!...Make a WISH before you blow the candles out!" We all wish we all dream....it is no wonder we are asleep! I do not desire to desire not? So what is this/these things called moments I have before me? A beginningless end of an endless beginning? An instant of eternity! Aha! Now I discover what Fun it is to seek! I AM yet a moment to moment experience in the shade looking for light to brighten the day....moments of ignorance I finally see as all along the light was within me. There is more beauty in every moment then there are colors across a sun setting sea. To see sparkles of diamonds and rays of gold scattered among rainbows hiding in veils of mystery; To hear the symphony of vibrations self-playing ineffably a self-selfless transcendental melody eternally as both Two and one. Possible Beauties, Possible daughters and sons of elegance and charm, as numerous as they may be is not the purpose of the moment for that is for You and All to see. Experience then is relative as the time is set to be depending only on perspective, that is, the light within you use to see. The question then might arise veiled in subjetive pleas commanding an answer a PROOF of the natural eternal of what Is and Will ever Be! Who is this subjection to think that he is mightier than All I AM to have such resistance to Thee? For those that need PROOF there is No Trust for I AM that I AM, the ALL that IS I AM YOU and YOU I AM! Trust in Truth is Trust and wanting PROOF is the Devil's Dust and there they Fall to the Abyss they go for I AM KNOWS ALL and whoever thought they knew having given in to Pleasure's grin, some thought good while others thought bad too sleepy to consider that it is not Two but ONE of the same thing!

What is the question have I not asked?
[]

"As the hole gets deeper I become wiser. Walking the path of no-path, I am in a state of blissful misery of knowing nothing without the ignorance of thinking I know anything at all."



"What is better than walking the miserably blissful path of unawareness guided by ruts? or Rules written in stone? Freewill without constriction because in constriction no freedom is known."
 
SeekingObjectivity, weren't you supposed to calm down a bit and use some external consideration before posting ?
Either you do it on purpose or you can't understand what other members have already pointed to you.
 
Tigersoap said:
SeekingObjectivity, weren't you supposed to calm down a bit and use some external consideration before posting ?
Either you do it on purpose or you can't understand what other members have already pointed to you.
Yes, you are indeed correct. With regards to "external consideration" I will fully admit that I still have yet to adequately understand this concept. However, I stated previously that if I felt a post required a response of me then I would most certainly respond. Wodasi's post indicated to me that he/she (I don't want to make a wrong assumption again! (Thank you Anart!):)) had a dream that had affected him/her to such a degree as to feel the need to post the content of said dream to this forum. Being that the content of said dream suggested evidence that various perceptions of "time" had been lost/changed while his/her mind was in the "dream" state which may have occurred immediately prior to his/her "need"/"desire" to make such a post, it had been presented at the almost "exact" time/date that I had a similar experience. Since this "event" coincided with my having ascertained various changes in my waking experience/perceptions of the passage of time (i.e. what was "felt" to be a few hours was actually only a few minutes ) I, nevertheless, felt that such a post as made by him/her required a response of me. Thus, I made such a response only after having considered my previous comments as I did not want to contradict myself. Having felt that such a response would not produce a contradiction between my previous thoughts and such a resulting action, I decided to post the information that I had been "putting together" at that particular time as it may or may nor be related and may or may not make "sense" to him/her at one level or another. Therefore, knowing full well that the content of such a post would give the awkward appearance as being random, I could not, without feeling as though I could be withholding possibly pertinent information, restrict myself of having made such a post in response to his peculiar circumstance/event. As I have stated previously I don't know what I don't know, thus, it seemed to me that such a coincidental event required a response that conveyed coincidental information. Once again, I realize that my understanding of "external consideration" needs revision but I felt that his post required a response so I posted one.
 
seekingObjectivity said:
Tigersoap said:
SeekingObjectivity, weren't you supposed to calm down a bit and use some external consideration before posting ?
Either you do it on purpose or you can't understand what other members have already pointed to you.
Yes, you are indeed correct. With regards to "external consideration" I will fully admit that I still have yet to adequately understand this concept. However, I stated previously that if I felt a post required a response of me then I would most certainly respond.
You have posted fourteen seperate times in the past four hours. How is this 'calming down' or keeping yourself controlled, or thinking of anyone in the world other than yourself when you post?
 
Anart, I understand that my plethora of posts looks like I've, for lack of a better term, gone "off my rocker" but within the music cateogry there was a post with the title "What are you listening to?" so I thought that I would share what I have been listening to for the past few days. I think/feel that the impressions one receives throughout the day may subjugate a corresponding pattern in the outward expression of those that process it. Those songs that I decided to post were ones that have had an impact on my life and has served me in times of depression giving me inspiration/motivation to continue to face difficulties that were confronting me. Owing to varying expressions of music in lyrical form to have a positive impact on ones outward perception on life, I felt that by passing on to others the opportunity to read these lyrics it may do the same for another.

Also, to reference my posts in the "Creative Acts" section, I had written these during a time in my life that I was going through many changes that I perceived to be positive in my life. Similarly to those lyrics I have referenced above, "creating" these "works" allowed me to grow in what I perceived to be in a more spiritual way. Both "creating" works and listening/reading other's "creative acts" has had a positive impact on my outlook in life and I just wanted to share them with others.

Yes, I agree that it is a large number of posts in a short amount of time, but I knew what I wanted to post prior to posting them. Therefore, they were quickly posted one after the other.
 
seekingObjectivity said:
Anart, I understand that my plethora of posts looks like I've, for lack of a better term, gone "off my rocker" but within the music cateogry there was a post with the title "What are you listening to?" so I thought that I would share what I have been listening to for the past few days. I think/feel that the impressions one receives throughout the day may subjugate a corresponding pattern in the outward expression of those that process it. Those songs that I decided to post were ones that have had an impact on my life and has served me in times of depression giving me inspiration/motivation to continue to face difficulties that were confronting me. Owing to varying expressions of music in lyrical form to have a positive impact on ones outward perception on life, I felt that by passing on to others the opportunity to read these lyrics it may do the same for another.
Did anyone else in that 8 page thread post NINE posts in a row? This indicates a rather startling level of self-involvement - if something pops in your head, you automatically assume it will be interesting or valuable to others - worthy of their time and consideration - you seem to never, ever, consider that just because something pops into your mind, it might not be worth 'sharing'.

so said:
Also, to reference my posts in the "Creative Acts" section, I had written these during a time in my life that I was going through many changes that I perceived to be positive in my life. Similarly to those lyrics I have referenced above, "creating" these "works" allowed me to grow in what I perceived to be in a more spiritual way. Both "creating" works and listening/reading other's "creative acts" has had a positive impact on my outlook in life and I just wanted to share them with others.

Yes, I agree that it is a large number of posts in a short amount of time, but I knew what I wanted to post prior to posting them. Therefore, they were quickly posted one after the other.
Have you ever met someone who talked all the time, and never listened? Have you ever met anyone in your day to day life who just rambled on and on and paid no attention to whether those around him/her were even vaguely interested? Most people who do that eventually end up not being listened to anymore - "oh, here they go again" and people tune out. Several people on this forum have tried to express this to you in as polite a way as possible. You do not get it and almost seem to think that this forum is here as your personal note pad. Did you even look up 'external consideration' and, if so, what definitions did you find?
 
Anart said:
Have you ever met someone who talked all the time, and never listened? Have you ever met anyone in your day to day life who just rambled on and on and paid no attention to whether those around him/her were even vaguely interested? Most people who do that eventually end up not being listened to anymore - "oh, here they go again" and people tune out. Several people on this forum have tried to express this to you in as polite a way as possible. You do not get it and almost seem to think that this forum is here as your personal note pad. Did you even look up 'external consideration' and, if so, what definitions did you find?
I wrote this in reference to Novelis response to a previous post: I had thought external consideration meant allowing others to form for themselves all the possible connections and not force a specific pattern. I felt that by forcing a particular connection onto another I was indirectly compromising their freewill to choose as they please. I had understood "external consideration" to be one that allows another to do as freewill will allow not being directed by an outside "force". As such, I thought that by doing so they were to do the same for me as well. Having attempted to consider my perspective and reaching the same conclusions that I had wanted to express then we would come to an understanding via "external consideration" as I perceived it to be. Thank you for clarifying that for me, that is what I wanted all along! But I didn't want to directly say it!

Have I met someone who doesn't seem to listen? Yes I have. I can be really dense sometimes when someone is trying so hard to help me understand and I appreciate your patience with me. I am going to try to see if I can perceive another way to understand what you are trying so hard to allow me to see while I am being so, for lack of a better term, ignorant and not allowing myself to see because of my rather stubborn nature.

About the NINE posts, they were are inter-related and I wanted to post them in a linear sequence so that it doesn't appear random to others. About the personal notepad, I don't understand what's going on and I'm all by myself in Oklahoma so I wanted to post those things I am having difficulty in understanding in hopes that someone else may be able to help me out.

If I can understand better for myself what is going on then I feel this would better prepare me in helping another person in the future.
 
seekingObjectivity said:
Anart said:
Have you ever met someone who talked all the time, and never listened? Have you ever met anyone in your day to day life who just rambled on and on and paid no attention to whether those around him/her were even vaguely interested? Most people who do that eventually end up not being listened to anymore - "oh, here they go again" and people tune out. Several people on this forum have tried to express this to you in as polite a way as possible. You do not get it and almost seem to think that this forum is here as your personal note pad. Did you even look up 'external consideration' and, if so, what definitions did you find?
I wrote this in reference to Novelis response to a previous post:
~sigh~ I am referring to all of your posts in the past week - I think you know that.

so said:
I had thought external consideration meant allowing others to form for themselves all the possible connections and not force a specific pattern. I felt that by forcing a particular connection onto another I was indirectly compromising their freewill to choose as they please. I had understood "external consideration" to be one that allows another to do as freewill will allow not being directed by an outside "force". As such, I thought that by doing so they were to do the same for me as well. Having attempted to consider my perspective and reaching the same conclusions that I had wanted to express then we would come to an understanding via "external consideration" as I perceived it to be. Thank you for clarifying that for me, that is what I wanted all along! But I didn't want to directly say it!
Since you seem reluctant to actually research what you have been asked to research, I will provide some information - it is a brief overview.

CassGlossary said:
External and Internal Considering

In 4th Way parlance, this is the practice of taking others into account when acting. External considering involves making a realistic evaluation of another's situation and acting in ways which take this into account in a positive sense.
External considering is however not the same thing as being socially polite or considerate, although it may be expressed in this manner.
The key concept is to be aware of and to adapt oneself to the level of being and knowledge of others. Thus, external considering involves for example not talking about things which would simply offend others' beliefs or simply not be understood. External considering relates to an idea of general good will towards the environment, then in the sense of letting the environment be as it wishes and responding to its requests in a manner that honors its right to be as it will.

External considering is rooted in objective awareness of the environment. Its opposite, internal considering, is rooted in attachment to a subjective inner state, to one's own comfort of preconceptions or desires.

External and internal considering are not always outwardly distinguishable, although inwardly they are fundamentally different. One may for example be socially pleasing purely in order to reinforce one's own idea of oneself as a 'good person.' This is internal considering and preoccupation about how others/the self perceive the self.

In some cases, external considering may involve withholding information that is seen as inappropriate, dangerous or simply unlikely to be well received. An internally considering person may also do this, but then again the motive is different.

We cannot codify with external criteria which action constitutes which kind of considering. The concepts are related to service to others vs service to self and to objectivity vs subjectivity. Usually the term considering is applied in the context of personal interactions.
Only through having external considering can one serve others. This requires responsiveness and a sense of objectivity and awareness of what is right action for the given situation. Serving in the sense of merely carrying out commands is not external considering.
Internal considering can be likened to man's inner predator. It feeds itself by engaging in subjective fantasies where it thinks it is other than it is. It will also seek to gain external confirmation for its distorted self-image by manipulating others to confirm it in its views. Man may go to much trouble to make an impression, simply in order to have his own illusory, internally considered self-image reflected back to himself from others. All success in such manipulation feeds the predator and confirms it in its internal considering and accordingly removes the center of gravity of man's inner life away from objectivity. Internal considering is in very concrete terms man's natural enemy who seeks to prevent man from being himself. The predator will at all times prefer an illusion of virtue to the naked truth about itself. Still, it is not useful to morally judge or condemn the predator, just like it is useless to condemn a cat for eating mice. Still, one must disengage from identifying with this predator. Claiming to Work while engaging in internal considering is a contradiction in terms. The forms of internal considering can however be extremely subtle and one cannot always detect them, thus constant vigilance is required. The predator of internal considering may well claim to engage in merciless self-observation, to aspire to consciousness and being and any other virtues and even trick itself to believe it is progressing towards these goals while all the while only feeding its vanity and desire for recognition.

Exterior man needs the support of a group in order to help him detect the many tricky ways in which internal considering inserts itself in his perception and actions.
There is much more to learn and understand about external and internal considering - but to put it in a nutshell, as long as you behave as if you are the center of your world - as if everyone and everything is there to serve one purpose or another for you, then you will never 'get it'.


so said:
Have I met someone who doesn't seem to listen? Yes I have. I can be really dense sometimes when someone is trying so hard to help me understand and I appreciate your patience with me. I am going to try to see if I can perceive another way to understand what you are trying so hard to allow me to see while I am being so, for lack of a better term, ignorant and not allowing myself to see because of my rather stubborn nature.

About the NINE posts, they were are inter-related and I wanted to post them in a linear sequence so that it doesn't appear random to others.
One question about this - how in the world would anyone other than you have any idea that the nine song posts were in any important sequential order - you often post as if the members of this forum are privy to the conversations you have with yourself in your own mind. This is wholly and completely internal considering and exactly a large part of the issue.

so said:
About the personal notepad, I don't understand what's going on and I'm all by myself in Oklahoma so I wanted to post those things I am having difficulty in understanding in hopes that someone else may be able to help me out.

If I can understand better for myself what is going on then I feel this would better prepare me in helping another person in the future.
To an extent this is understandable - but in order to be able to interact in a productive way on this forum, you need to learn the background information on your own and work to get up to speed. A start would be reading the articles on this page - http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/site_map_qfg.htm . If you would read the entire archive in the Work section, that may help as well.

While we welcome new people and are more than willing to offer support and discussion where applicable - we expect people to get up to speed on their own. The world is on fire. I am giving you an enormous benefit of the doubt with this response, and if you are sincere, you will significantly reflect that in your behavior from here on out. If you cannot - if that is beyond your current capabilities - then other actions may be taken.
 
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