Loving enemies?

Michal

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Hi,
Thought came to me with a question:

How to understand "loving your enemies"?

Do You have such a rule?

From the early childhood I was taught to think so. Of course practicing it is a different story.

However... It came to me today while I was wondering about people around me. I thought that I do not even like them. Something deep in me is keep telling me that they do not care about me so why should I? Sounds like a program from childhood...

My other thought was that: because they are me, we are one... it is just that I do not see it. I sometimes can sens it.

C's said that the reason why they are communicating with Laura is that because they love her.

But do they also love Lizzies or Orions?

Is that the model to explore? And if yes how to approach it?
 
Mikel said:
Hi,
Thought came to me with a question:

How to understand "loving your enemies"?

Do You have such a rule?

From the early childhood I was taught to think so. Of course practicing it is a different story.

However... It came to me today while I was wondering about people around me. I thought that I do not even like them. Something deep in me is keep telling me that they do not care about me so why should I? Sounds like a program from childhood...

My other thought was that: because they are me, we are one... it is just that I do not see it. I sometimes can sens it.

C's said that the reason why they are communicating with Laura is that because they love her.

But do they also love Lizzies or Orions?

Is that the model to explore? And if yes how to approach it?

I thought the "love your enemies" thing came from religion. While I certainly don't condone "hate," I would first ask for your definition of "love." We need to accept people for what they are, and try and understand where they are coming from based on their own personal traumas and life situations. I don't think I would call that "loving them,", merely understanding what they are and why they are what they are.

I don't think the Cs "love" the Lizzies or Orions. They understand STS and accept it for what it is, the balance of STO.
 
I think there could be a couple of things here. The first is that the 'love you enemies' message could have been made by pathological types to keep their victims bound to them. Another interpretation could perhaps be in line with how the C's have talked about how love is basically knowledge. So to love your enemy (and I would interpret enemy here as that which destroys humanity and the creative universe) would be to know and understand pathology, psychopathy, our mechanical nature and so on.
 
But it's also a dangerous and ponerised concept for the reason that it goes in the direction of “all men are created equal” and that there is no evil.
To love your enemy could as well amount to ignoring the enemy's real nature and putting one's own interpretation upon the situation. It's actually an impediment to knowledge, understanding and acceptance. As Mrs. Peel pointed out, it's origin is probably religion which is about rituals and artificial concepts that simply don't make sense.
The thing is twisted without an end, you simply cannot love anyone you don't love. It's a natural thing. But you can understand and analyse the situation in retrospect while you didn't understand it back then.

Do you love psychopaths? They are humanity's real enemy. They don't love you, for sure. But they “love” to see you following their ideas and concepts.

Another interpretation could perhaps be in line with how the C's have talked about how love is basically knowledge. So to love your enemy (and I would interpret enemy here as that which destroys humanity and the creative universe) would be to know and understand pathology, psychopathy, our mechanical nature and so on.
Yes, not to ignore them either. The only thing is, if you put such a phrase as loving your enemy into the Bible or any other book verbatim, how many people will understand?
 
I solved this paradox by assuming that one has to 'love' ones enemies for the challenge they provide. In order to overcome your enemy you have to acquire a thorough knowledge of all s/he encompasses and the specific threat they pose to you, including strategy and tactics. If one perseveres successfully one has to be thankful to the (former) enemy for the lessons provided. S/he provided an opportunity for growth. Think martial arts for instance. fwiw.
 
Forgive or have compassion for your enemies... Obviously each enemy situation is different but if you have an enemy understanding why this enemy came about what your role in the situation is and where they are coming from will give you a better understanding. If you understand then that can lead to other things...,my experiences
 
I think "Love your enemy" is a good reminder for the need to know each other and take a wider perspective of human relationships and interactions.

Usually when we have an "enemy" we see him/her in a very black and white fashion, we make use of confirmation bias, ignoring a lot of information and projecting, not even seeing half the picture of the being we are talking about.

We also lack the necessary knowledge and external consideration so as to understand and forgive faults against us and manage situations with others in a succesful and helpfull way, mainly because we are too worried with what others said or did to us.

Loving your enemy is not a self chastising, martyr program although some seem to use it that way, I see it as a powerful, conscious conduct with force enough so as to see, forgive and redirect towards the common good other faults.
 
Ana said:
I think "Love your enemy" is a good reminder for the need to know each other and take a wider perspective of human relationships and interactions.

Usually when we have an "enemy" we see him/her in a very black and white fashion, we make use of confirmation bias, ignoring a lot of information and projecting, not even seeing half the picture of the being we are talking about.

We also lack the necessary knowledge and external consideration so as to understand and forgive faults against us and manage situations with others in a succesful and helpfull way, mainly because we are too worried with what others said or did to us.

Loving your enemy is not a self chastising, martyr program although some seem to use it that way, I see it as a powerful, conscious conduct with force enough so as to see, forgive and redirect towards the common good other faults.

Excellent put. It cleared following quote up which lately has been unrestful rolling in my mind:

17 January 1997 said:
A: Well, sort of, but... Remember... There is no "supernatural" or "paranormal," only natural and normal. Your 'Noah Syndrome' implied, originally, a discrimination between "wicked" and good. Being ready does not recognize such distinctions!
 
I am reminded of this excerpt from Soul Hackers:

Taking my first breath in the new reality, I made a conscious choice to limit my participation in this deception foisted on mankind. I consciously decided that I was no longer going to lie — to myself or to anyone else — about how I felt or what I wanted. I was no longer going to lie about what I liked or didn’t like or what I did or did not want to do. I was no longer going to lie to myself that my suffering and sacrifices had any benefit for anyone whatsoever; because it was clear to me that this was not true. It was all an illusion or delusion. In short, I was no longer going to lie to myself about reality at all.

When I looked at a flower I was going to remember the decay and death in the soil from which the flower drew its nourishment. When I looked at a cat or a dog, I was going to remember the fleas and parasites and killing and eating of other creatures that goes on all the time in the animal world. When I looked at a beautiful and peaceful lake, I was going to remember the loads of disease causing organisms multiplying prolifically beneath the shining, mirrored surface.

Sounds pretty bizarre, yes? But it had a strange effect.

Because I was no longer lying to myself about anything that existed, least of all myself, my nature, my being, I was free to choose what to manifest in every instant. Knowing that all of these shadows existed within me, in my very DNA, my flesh, my evolved self; knowing that I had experienced many lifetimes dealing death and destruction on my own, or suffering the same at the hands of others, I was free to choose. And further, I knew that the choice was free! If I had chosen to follow the path of STS, to dive back into the illusion, there would be no blame. As Ra said: The ALL blinks neither at the darkness nor at the light.

There was no longer any blame for anything. It was just what is. This is nature. This is God. And God has two faces: Good and Evil. We can love them both, but we can choose which face we manifest, while always loving unconditionally both faces.

This state of the world is masterfully depicted in Tennessee Williams’ play Suddenly Last Summer ... <snip>

I knew I was “Seeing God”. But, in the end, my choice was to love Him anyway. More than that, my choice was to make manifest those aspects of God in myself, that were of Love and Beauty and Truth as a free will choice. I was not choosing out of fear, even a hidden fear, such as is present in most people who adhere to the love and light routine and eschew any knowledge of the darkness.

If one were present at such an event as the hatching of the turtles, would it be right to rescue the turtles, to kill or scare away the birds? Both represent aspects, or Faces, of God, and both have a right to exist in their own context and to survive in their own way, so it would be wrong to interfere. But I would be hoping that some of the baby turtles would have the sense to wait until dark to make their dash to the sea! Perhaps I might walk back and forth along the beach to act as a “scarecrow” against the devouring birds. Perhaps that is how knowledge can work in our lives? Perhaps that is how the Cassiopaeans relate to us — only with somewhat more complexity.

When you love your cat or dog, do you love them less for eating or killing other creatures? So what that he doesn’t need to do it in his nice, warm, human home where dinner comes in a can. Leave him outdoors and on his own for a bit and he will soon enough eat whatever is there. Will you then reject him, love him less, or pretend that he — and dogs in general — do not exist?

Is this consuming aspect of our reality less acceptable when it reaches a conscious level, such as that of human beings? Are we not still to love all that exists as part of Nature, as part of God, and to accept it and allow it to be as it is — even while managing the delicate aspect of ensuring our own continuing right to exist and be?


And, if we do this, and further, if we choose to limit our participation in the consuming aspect to as great a degree as possible, can we think that we have learned one of the most valuable lessons of our reality? The lesson of what Love truly is? That Love is to love ALL, unconditionally, with no need or desire to change anything? That only in this state of Love — objective Love — can we truly have Free Will?

In point of fact, that is the true meaning of the much-touted “unconditional love”. If you are going to love anything or anybody in spite of what it is or what they do, thinking that your love changes something, then you do not love unconditionally. You are loving your illusion of what might be, not what is.

Further, loving unconditionally means to love the self in the same way. If your “unconditional love” of another means that you must act in any way other than what is authentic to you, then you haven’t gotten it. Further, if this other person does not love you in the same way, allowing you to be fully accepted as you are, and you think that by continuing to hold them close and love them unconditionally, that they will finally figure it out and change, then you have already violated the law of unconditional love. In terms of daily living, you can only live in unconditional love with another who understands it in exactly the same way you do.

I realized this. And I made my choice, as I said, to limit my participation in the lies and delusions to as great an extent as possible. This meant that I could no longer remain in close relationships that were less than fully reciprocal in terms of this kind of love. I understood clearly that this probably meant living entirely alone and loving the world and others unconditionally from a distance which was the only way I could see that it would be possible in practical terms. I could see that allowing myself to be used for energy food in a personal relationship of compromises was not in the best interests of anyone I loved, nor was it in my best interests. (And the same applies in practical considerations of law and order as well.)

Thus, I made the decisions I made, acted on them, and the result was nothing short of amazing.
 
Mrs. Peel said:
Mikel said:
Hi,
Thought came to me with a question:

How to understand "loving your enemies"?

Do You have such a rule?

From the early childhood I was taught to think so. Of course practicing it is a different story.

However... It came to me today while I was wondering about people around me. I thought that I do not even like them. Something deep in me is keep telling me that they do not care about me so why should I? Sounds like a program from childhood...

My other thought was that: because they are me, we are one... it is just that I do not see it. I sometimes can sens it.

C's said that the reason why they are communicating with Laura is that because they love her.

But do they also love Lizzies or Orions?

Is that the model to explore? And if yes how to approach it?

I thought the "love your enemies" thing came from religion. While I certainly don't condone "hate," I would first ask for your definition of "love." We need to accept people for what they are, and try and understand where they are coming from based on their own personal traumas and life situations. I don't think I would call that "loving them,", merely understanding what they are and why they are what they are.

I don't think the Cs "love" the Lizzies or Orions. They understand STS and accept it for what it is, the balance of STO.

Mikel said:
C's said that the reason why they are communicating with Laura is that because they love her.

Also, from what I remember, the Cs said they are communicating with Laura because she asked.
 
Jerry said:
It can only be approached through External Consideration with everyone imo, while gaining the knowledge to understand what love really is.
I liked this response. A balancing act between giving what is appropriate to another person and protecting your own energy too.
 
Mikel,

I noticed that your signature quote is "To survive". Lately I have been feeling the same way. I also noticed that your enemies list is looking at many people around you but includes the Lizzies and the Orions too.

I think all of the answers are excellent ideas to consider, especially the detailed answer from Approaching Infinity. One reoccurring term you will see on the forum is External Considering. This term can be fully seen defined in the Cassiopea Glossary, but a partial quote from the definition is:

"External considering is rooted in objective awareness of the environment. Its opposite, internal considering, is rooted in attachment to a subjective inner state, to one's own comfort of preconceptions or desires. "

For full quote: http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=40&lsel=E

One problem for me in sorting out the gems in the sources for such terms as External Considering (the writings of Gurdjieff, Mouravieff and Ouspensky) is that they sometimes mix a great deal of bible quotations into their "Esoteric Christianity". I sense that you may be coming from a fairly strong childhood exposure to bible values since "Loving enemies" is the title of the topic.

To get to the possible source for "Loving enemies" I just picked one of several bible quotes:

Matthew 5:43-48

New International Version (NIV)
Love for Enemies

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

Sometimes it helps to see the surrounding verses in context to get a better idea of how to understand the bigger picture (even for me after finding it). I think the above verse may contain the source for "Loving enemies". After reading The Wave, The Adventure Series, The Grail Quest, Amazing Grace and a lot of the recommended books I now see this verse in Matthew in a slightly different light than before. We sometimes see the people around us as "other" or "enemies".

I don't necessarily think the above verse applies to the fierce STS Lizzie or Orion STS versions but to those of us more in the middle.

After all the according to the Cs we are currently STS and at best only STO candidates.

Currently I am reading Mouravieff's Gnosis series which is in three volumes Gnosis I,II & III. I still have Gnosis III to finish. These books are on the recommended reading list if you have not read them already. The Gnosis volumes are heavily peppered and flavored with bible references and illustrations. I am still not sure how to balance all the heavy references and quotes but I still have been impressed with the insights and parallels with the Cassiopaean transcripts and also the Ra material. There is so much to absorb and sort out that I think it gets very confusing for all of us as we plod along.

I hope this helps you "To survive" in some small way. :/
 
Shane said:
I think there could be a couple of things here. The first is that the 'love you enemies' message could have been made by pathological types to keep their victims bound to them. Another interpretation could perhaps be in line with how the C's have talked about how love is basically knowledge. So to love your enemy (and I would interpret enemy here as that which destroys humanity and the creative universe) would be to know and understand pathology, psychopathy, our mechanical nature and so on.

It also reminded me about petty tyrants and how warriors sometimes have to go to extremes to find a worthy one. In this context, loving the enemy would constitute using them as a catalyst for growth, as an opportunity to learn more about pathology, one self's mechanical nature and such.
 
Thank You all for answers.
Word “Love” could be confusing in communication. Could mean couple of things.
In my subject here it means attitude towards people and self that is metaphorically speaking allowing people representing different aspects of life, different approaches towards life, to live together in one house. People, who even treat each other’s worlds as hostile to their own.

Thanks Approaching Infinity for inspiration to read “Soul Hackers”. That text moved me.

While I was reading all of Your answers I realized that “my enemies” are not only those outside (external) but also internal. That maybe people who I treat like “enemies” are representing part of my internal world also. That again led me to think about session with C’s where one women during hypnosis was describing her other reality as praying mantis devouring children.
I should love "my enemies" because they are me, and I am them?

Well, I do not know why it comes to me. Is that because I live so often by my illusions about myself … not wanting to be “praying mantis”? Not wanting other’s to be “praying mantis”?

Talking about Lizzard beings or Orions in a fact I am walking in the dark because I do not have direct experience in my memory to talk about. But I know what I do not like. Who I do not like….
And again this thought inspired by one of the last sessions with C’s comes to my mind: to do things which one do not like.
I am happy to have a possibility to listen to You all and confront my world with Yours. Thank You! :)
 
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