Lucy (2014)

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Not only was it very visually appealing, but I also really liked the Metaphors in this Luc Besson movie which just opened this past weekend - very nicely done! Simply swop out that old, not terribly accurate claim about how 'We don't use more than 10% of our brains' for 'Progressive Knowledge Gathering' and/or 'DNA (re)activation', etc., and you'll see what I mean. Then, the ending, which had many people in the theater going Huh? makes perfect sense... ;)

Nice review article: _http://guardianlv.com/2014/07/lucy-scarlett-johansson-in-luc-besson-treat-reviewtrailer/_
 
lucy was a great movie in telling about the occult philosophy metaphysics etc! but it was kinda predictable..
but im glad a movie came out kinda blantantly explaining the life cycle and what it should be..


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im kinda of confused to why these movies are telling us we need a drug that the body naturally produces?
why did lucys body defy gravity and exhibit traits of being magnatized once the drug interacted with her system?
why did she lose her emotions after gaining more access to her cerebral ..
she became so robotic...
why was she racing against time if she could control matter/body?
why was she depended on the chemical once she activated her mind?
is their going to be a part 2 since she was able to break the time fence?
how were the scientist able to see what she was experiencing?
did she become 7th density within a day?
why did her body go from light to dark?
what was the significance on her interacting with the monkey?
what was the significance of the number 7 in this movie?

is that simply the purpose of life? to share information???
why do we keep experiencing things that we alrdy kno the outcome if everything that was ... is?? and will be at the same time???
 
Yeah, I loved this movie. The rest of the family who aren't quite as far along this journey as I am didn't like the ending, but I thought it was perfect for the story.

Problems? Sure, like any movie, and they definitely took some liberties in favour of the visual "treats", but it was fun. A teensy bit (lot) violent, but hey...
 
Trailer: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVt32qoyhi0

I've seen or heard this plotline before... probably one someone else mentioned on this site... a guy was the protagonist... and he needed to maintain a supply of the drug.... others usually died when the supply ran out... he found additional supplies etc.. and maintained equilibrium.... can't remember the title of course, but similar thought pattern.

PS... saw it a few months ago when some movie channels were free for a weekend or month or whatever... all of these plotlines seem to flow out from the same archetypal source, as I remember an old 'Dark Angel' plotline similar to this as well... and probably others going back to earlier days of scifi.... Star Trek would seem likely... maybe Spock under the influence of 'flower power' on a different world... or in literature, as warriors or adventurers/travelors encounter different cultures and drugs et al.
 
You're thinking of the movie "Limitless" with Bradley Cooper and Robert Deniro. Good movie, same general idea, but totally different ending and themes. Lucy was far superior in my opinion.
 
I saw the movie as well this weekend. I was a bit disappointed because I really wanted it to go deeper. My husband suggested it couldn't go deeper because the audience was having trouble understanding it as is. He was referring to the two men sitting next to him as he could hear them whispering questions to each other.

To answer one of LIV's questions...I believe she interacted with the monkey at the end because that was Lucy "the first human". It was like the journey of life coming full circle for the two Lucy's. Lucy of the past, meet Lucy, yourself in the future. Just my opinion. I too had some of the same questions as LIV. Maybe someone else can help with them.

Overall it was entertaining but like I mentioned above I wish it would have gone deeper.
 
Loved the movie as well. I think it was pretty well made, considering the fact that some of the things didn't make a lot of sense to me. But hey, it's a movie; not everything will be delivered in one go. As the C's once said, "fiction is often the guise for the deliverance of the deepest of truths." You wouldn't want someone to choke on one of those 'deep truths' while trying to swallow them in one go. :lol:

*PROBABLE SPOILER*

Regarding LIV's question on the monkey/ape, I think it was a reflection to The Creation of Adam painting (link provided below). Notice how everything goes kind of crazy right when they're about to touch fingers, thus giving the illusion that they never really made the contact (just like in the painting).

This is what I thought of anyways.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Creation_of_Adam
 
The movie was good, on the terms of modern day action sci-fi flicks. It's no Matrix or Space Oddysey, though.

However, it pretty much had a materialist view of existence and whatever lies beyond.

But then, we're dealing with a screen writer who is basing his ideas on popular scientific opinion, which is pretty much materialist.

So, I just shelved it in the part of my mind in the category of B-movie logic.

Just because it had some big stars does not take away the cheesiness of the action and lack of depth in the philosophy of what happens when the brain can mess with time/space.
 
Yesterday I watched the movie. The film, as we have seen, in 90 min. quick action showed everything that could be said. Of course, the Luc Besson for his protection many things skillfully concealed. But the matrix in the police car and the human transformation, were well presented. In my opinion, all those cars as in holivood movies flying in all directions, Luc besson wanted to convey their worthlessness. Since man always longed for a good car, a good job, a good salary. But it is worthless. In general, the whole movie is the Matrix class and is quite awakening.
 
My wife and I have just watched the movie this evening.
We liked it very much even if all is not so good but at least we have a"blockbuster" that make us thinking a bit for once.

I think that this movie is interesting because the way to treat this subject (manking's evolution and awakening) is far from stupid.

Of course, like D'Ankhiar said, only 1 view is not enough.

Anyway, I'd like to come back on LIV's questions to discuss about this movie. Some of it are quite interesting for debat. I offer to begin with something. There are only ideas and im' waiting for your arguments :)

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im kinda of confused to why these movies are telling us we need a drug that the body naturally produces?

In Lucy, the "drug" can't be produced by any human. CPH-4 is only produced by a pregnant woman at a certain moment of the pregnancy in order to give the baby the energy to develop his skeletton. It's an invented name but the molecular and its effect do exist. The mother makes it during the 6th weeks of her pregnancy. Actually, some scientists are really trying to synthetise it like in the movie...

Nevertheless, those drugs (as in "limitless") works like a booster, a kit "nos" for human brain. For a movie, it's easier, faster and funnier that a hard work on ourselves in order to activate a process wich should be more longer in its development.

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why did lucys body defy gravity and exhibit traits of being magnatized once the drug interacted with her system?

Sudden changes in her body, explosions, reaction of her body with this intensive product ? Don't forget that at the beginning, between 20% and 30%, she can control her body and interact with electromagnetism. Maybe, it's a prelude to this.
But, finally, maybe it was just special effects to show us that something strange was going on with her body ;D

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why did she lose her emotions after gaining more access to her cerebral ..
she became so robotic...

Our brain uses to work this way :
A- all that we feel with our senses is treated at first through the lymbic system (emotions center)
B- Then comes the analysis phase through the neo-cortex (analysis center)

The idea is that the more you have knowledges, you are in control of yourself, then your environment, the more your brain passes over the lymbic system to use directly the neo-cortex.
Haven't you noticed that in all movies, books... most of the time high evolved species use to be robotic, emotionless ?
It seems sad to see evolution this way but we can't deny that emotions are often brakes and blockings on the road to improvement. I think that feeling is so good but we have to learn how to control it.
In Lucy, she feels she's losing her humanity (sense of feeling), this is why she wants the policeman to stay with her in order to "remember".

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why was she racing against time if she could control matter/body?

She explains that actually, time is the only unity that does exist. She knows she can't do anything to avoid time to pass even if she can control matters. As C's used to tell us, time is an illusion, Humans don't understand what it really is and can't for now.
At the beginning, Morgan Freeman explains the difference between some cells wich chooses immortality and reproduction. During the flight to PAris, she thinks about it while she's disapearing. To go on living, she had to assimilate more drugs as her body needed it.

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why was she depended on the chemical once she activated her mind?

Like you could see on the plane, her body was reaching a critical state. It couldn't go further without any help. Don't forget that it's a forced awakening in a short period. At the end, she explains to Morgan Freeman that she has to force her cells to go to 100%
Her fast and new development is unnatural :rolleyes:

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is their going to be a part 2 since she was able to break the time fence?

I don't think it would be interesting. The most important is the not the goal but the path we took to reach it. Too many questions to understand the path before taking a look to the result of her awakening. Now she's just everywhere, at anytime...

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how were the scientist able to see what she was experiencing?

I don't think they could see all that she experienced. They just saw the matter changes like the new computer form, the room changes. By the way, you can see that while she's experiencing the time travel, the korean guy is approching her body wich is seated on the black chair. At this moment, scientists are looking at him and especially her.

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did she become 7th density within a day?

I don't think we can talk about 7th density here. It remains a movie with interesting themes but we can't compare all that have been discussed around here for years with it. About the fact her awakening was fast (1 day), don't forget the use of boosters to do it. But hey, it's a fiction after all !


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why did her body go from light to dark?

Once she absorbed all CPH-4, black matters started going out from her body to interact and absord all interesting matters and energy around her. Her goal was to make a computer able to hold all her knowledge. If you look well, in the same time she learns things about our past and the universe origin, black matter is covering her from the feet to the head, slowly. As she's learning and awakening the computer is absorbing her and her knowledge. As morgan Freeman, "it's a new kind of computer"...
At the end, she disapears and she's everywhere, she's simply energy... Maybe the black has been chosen to suggest the fact sh's not in front of our eyes anymore. Black color represents what is hidden, secret...


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what was the significance on her interacting with the monkey?

I think that 2 people here gave interesting answers to that :

Ask-Seek-Knock said:
I believe she interacted with the monkey at the end because that was Lucy "the first human". It was like the journey of life coming full circle for the two Lucy's. Lucy of the past, meet Lucy, yourself in the future.

D'Ankhiar said:
I think it was a reflection to The Creation of Adam painting (link provided below). Notice how everything goes kind of crazy right when they're about to touch fingers, thus giving the illusion that they never really made the contact (just like in the painting).

This is what I thought of anyways.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Creation_of_Adam

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what was the significance of the number 7 in this movie?

Sorry I haven't noticed that this number appeared so much in the movie. Shame on me !

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is that simply the purpose of life? to share information???

Morgan Freeman, tried to help her finding a sens to her state. She came to him because she didn't know what to do. At this moment, he thought about that and I think it's pretty smart even if it can be dangerous for humanity to get theses informations. According to me, purpose of life is not only sharing but also learning, experiencing... We have to improve, evolve then awake.

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why do we keep experiencing things that we alrdy kno the outcome if everything that was ... is?? and will be at the same time???

We don't understand for now the true essence of time. I often think about this notion of cycle and that all "spending at the same time"'s idea.
Problem is if you don't experiment, if you don't do nothing, there is nothing in the future. I remember an old thing about that : all is happening in the same time, all depends of where you're watching, where you focus your view.
Draw a circle. Put yourself in the middle. Then, all depends of where you look on the circle. For now, your state doesn't allow you to look everywhere at the same time so just do what you have to do and learn...


Thanks for all these interesting questions LIV. It's a good start for an interesting discussion and this is why I liked this movie.
 
Just an FYI, not too long ago Scarlett Johansson got a lot of attention for being the spokeswoman for Sodastream (which I believe is setup in an Israeli settlement) and had to leave her position with Oxfam because of her unrelenting support of Israel.
 
I was told that she prefered the money she could earn with Sodastream. Maybe It's just a matter of dollars.
Nevertheless, Israel is powerfull enough to bend a good will. A famous person as Scarlett could have been threatened to leave Oxfam.

Nowadays, if you don't support israel, you can be turned into a monster and insulted, especially in the USA. It can be a real pb when your image is important for working.

I don't try to defend her but it might not be as easy as we could think.
 
What Renaissance is saying, even if she went for money, she really isn't for the advancement of humanity- if she chooses to back away from a humanitarian organization just to make money.

Really wonder how much money is enough?

Oh another funny, she was an AI in the movie HER, and she acted like AI in this movie, lol.
 
Divide By Zero said:
What Renaissance is saying, even if she went for money, she really isn't for the advancement of humanity- if she chooses to back away from a humanitarian organization just to make money

Of course ;)
but what i meant is that sometimes, things are not what it seems. But when we take a quick look to this situation it's the most logical thought that comes to our mind.
 
Wow thanks elohir! very good responses! I watched a young lady on youtube by the name of makelsi who also gave a good explanation and had some other interesting videos.
 
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