Magnetite Water Chargers

[Average Joe]

These things were originally developed by John Milewski. They consist of an outer, non conductive tube, a layer of magnetite, then an inner tube. A bottle of water is placed in the inner tube and then "charged", for 3 to 5 days, The water is then consumed.
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/magneticwater.htm
I’ve been using these chargers for a couple of years now, and I can attest to their efficacy. They help to improve general health, and as John says, especially the skin, hair and teeth.
Here are some of the ones I have built.

I can tell the difference within a week or two when I stop drinking the water. Old aches and pains gradually return, cuts don't heal quite as fast and my general health level takes step down.
Milewski calls these "the poor man's fountain of youth", and I have to agree. Whatever it is that it does to the water, it works. My teeth and gums improve, my hair grows faster, and I feel healthier when drink the water regularly. I also can smell things much better when I use it.
The list goes on and on. The point is that it does what is claimed and is an easy thing to build. If any of you have a source of magnetite I would recommend trying it. You'll need at least three chargers so you can have "3 day" water once a day. I have 6 since the family likes to drink it too.
A good source of magnetite is a beach close to the outlet of a river. If any of you live close to San Francisco, Ocean beach, down by Sloat Blvd. has tons of magnetite. The beach is black with huge patches of the stuff.
I built a magnetic device which collects and separates magnetite in the sand from the other granules. It consists of a piece of PVC pipe, and a magnet attached to a rod which slides inside the pipe

All you have to do is swirl it around in the sand, shake of the non magnetic sand which gets picked up, then hold it over a bucket and pull the magnet up. The rubber ring prevents the magnetite from following the magnet up the pipe and it all falls off.

The municipal water department pretty much "kills" our water as they attempt to purify it. If any of you have read the works of Victor Schauberger, such as Living Water, you'll be familiar with this concept. Water is a great conductor of energy, and these simple chargers infuse some very beneficial energy into the water.

 

[mcb]

...I’ve been using these chargers for a couple of years now, and I can attest to their efficacy. They help to improve general health, and as John says, especially the skin, hair and teeth...

That's nice, but it doesn't tell me enough to even want to investigate further, although perhaps it would mean more to others here. A quick Google of the subject only heightened my suspicions. Perhaps you could relate what you are saying to other posts in the forum (there are many about magnetite) or to any other source that offers a verifiable trail of references?

There is a little bit of information about water in Nora Gedgaudas' Primal Body, Primal Mind, a book that is recommended reading here in the forum, although she says nothing about "magnetite water." It is possible that some macro-configurations of water molecules are more useful to the body than others.

 

[Mikey]

The municipal water department pretty much "kills" our water as they attempt to purify it. If any of you have read the works of Victor Schauberger, such as Living Water, you'll be familiar with this concept. Water is a great conductor of energy, and these simple chargers infuse some very beneficial energy into the water.

Can you describe which kind of energy is infused or how the water changes when this occurs? I'm fascinated by the topic, have read books and articles about Schauberger, but was never able to grasp what makes it 'work'.

 

[Average Joe]

@ Megan,
In addition to the link I provided in the OP, here's a couple more...
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/magnetite.htm

http://ormuswater.vpinf.com/#mozTocId904030

I don't necessarily agree with the conclusions reached by Dr. Milewski on the mechanism of charging involved, I have my own ideas, but then I have no solid proof either. All I can say is that I have done a lot of research and experimentation with charged water, and these things do work. There is something special about magnetite, (Fe3O4), as has been discussed in the forum here. I have run water through magnetic fields in a variety of configurations, and it does not exhibit the same properties as these chargers produce.
I've tried a lot of different devices, and frankly most are bunk. I'm not trying to sell anything here, I just found something that works so I'm passing it along.

Cheers,

AJ

 

[Average Joe]

Can you describe which kind of energy is infused or how the water changes when this occurs? I'm fascinated by the topic, have read books and articles about Schauberger, but was never able to grasp what makes it 'work'.

If you've ever read the works of Wilhelm Reich, he did a lot of work with what he termed Orgone. This is the same energy most likely encountered by guys like Baron Karl Ludwig von Reichenbach and Mesmer. Reichenbach called it OD, and did quite a lot of research on it back in the 19th century.
Reich built what he called an Orgone accumulator. It was basically a large capacitor which was built with successive layers of organic and metallic layers which had the effect of concentrating Orgone into a defined space. He built a box in which people could sit and get "charged" for a period of time. Mesmer developed a similar device which was layers of organic (insulator) and metallic (conductive) material stacked up, and an iron rod run down through the middle. People would lean over and touch the rod and describe a minor electric shock followed by feelings of euphoria, and other altered perceptions.
This mechanism is very similar the construction of the "pit" on Oak Island Laura describes in her writings. The excavation revealed many layers of wood followed by metallic debris. Same concept.
This water charger also has layers of insulation and conductors, just like a normal electrical capacitor does. This configuration naturally collects and concentrates "electrical" energy, by virtue of it's shape as well as it's capacitive properties.
The "Joe Cell" is a similar construction of concentric cylinders of stainless steel with water filling the space in between. Some very unusual properties have been reported by a number of independent researchers concerning this device.
Whatever energy is being utilized by these various devices is quite subtle, and virtually unmeasurable with common scientific equipment. The effects are largely anecdotal, but quite real nonetheless.

 

[mcb]

...I've tried a lot of different devices, and frankly most are bunk. I'm not trying to sell anything here, I just found something that works so I'm passing it along.

I've not tried any of these devices, but it does appear that there is a lot of fraud. I tend to start by looking at how the message is communicated, having spent time earlier in my life learning how to "persuade" people to try a product, and I am not particularly comfortable with what I have seen so far.

When you "pass something along," you run the risk of participating in a fraud if it turns out that the original source is fraudulent. A promise of better health is often the lead-in to a fraud, although certainly sometimes it is not. It may not be entirely possible to avoid that happening, but there are things you can do. Bringing it up in this network is one such thing -- it exposes the idea to others accustomed to examining such things, or that have prior experience (one way or the other) with it. So we'll see.

You say that you have experimented and seen good results. Have you spent time studying the mind, and how easily we can draw incorrect conclusions from what we see?

 

[Average Joe]

I've not tried any of these devices, but it does appear that there is a lot of fraud. I tend to start by looking at how the message is communicated, having spent time earlier in my life learning how to "persuade" people to try a product, and I am not particularly comfortable with what I have seen so far.

When you "pass something along," you run the risk of participating in a fraud if it turns out that the original source is fraudulent. A promise of better health is often the lead-in to a fraud, although certainly sometimes it is not. It may not be entirely possible to avoid that happening, but there are things you can do. Bringing it up in this network is one such thing -- it exposes the idea to others accustomed to examining such things, or that have prior experience (one way or the other) with it. So we'll see.

You say that you have experimented and seen good results. Have you spent time studying the mind, and how easily we can draw incorrect conclusions from what we see?

How can you ever find out if anything works if you immediately suspect someone is going to cheat you? I never buy into anything unless it makes sense to me based on the research I have done. I build and experiment with a LOT of stuff. I have done a lot of work and research into energy of all sorts. I have a web site where we do nothing but experiment and build new concepts for energy generation.
I am also quite accustomed to failure and test everything I build objectively. I have no vested interest other than finding out what works and what doesn't. If it didn't work for me, and others who have tried it, I wouldn't waste my time or yours.
I'm not suggesting anyone pay the exorbitant prices some people are charging for these things either. It costs me about $10.00 to build one, how much of a risk is that? You can build one with an oatmeal box and a cardboard tube. Getting the magnetite can be tricky, depending on where you live, but if you work at it you can find a cheap source. It takes me about a half an hour to collect 20lbs at the beach (a large coffee can), and my dogs love coming with me.
This water is not some overnight miracle cure. The effects are subtle and take a while to manifest, usually within a week or two. When I notice it most is when I stop drinking the water. Then the small aches and pains return, my skin dries out and my bad tooth starts bothering me. I start drinking the water again and these symptoms fade away. Thats the only way I can make a correlation between the water and how it effects me.

 

[Jones]

Mesmer developed a similar device which was layers of organic (insulator) and metallic (conductive) material stacked up, and an iron rod run down through the middle. People would lean over and touch the rod and describe a minor electric shock followed by feelings of euphoria, and other altered perceptions.

There are pressure sensors in the arteries called baroreceptors that detect sudden changes in blood pressure - for example those that are produced by shock - and when these baroreceptors are triggered by a sudden change they adjust heart rate and elasticity of the arteries to protect sensitive organs from those sudden changes by either reducing or increasing blood pressure. This adjustment can be felt as a type of euphoria. With that in mind I think that the euphoria and altered perceptions are not a product of the mechanism of how the shock was recieved, but more just that there was a shock.

 

[Gonzo]

I've always been interested in magnetic properties and their effects on the bodies. I've also wonder about the difference between running water and still water. I imagined that running water could be somehow effected as it passes over magnetic minerals in the earth, but I have no idea if whatever effect it might pick has any beneficial value to us.

Being a survivor of New Age scams, I have had ample experience with charging water with crystals and prayer, but could never say that whatever benefits I perceived could not be attributed to the placebo effect, which itself can be a powerful mechanism worthy of consideration.

Anyway, it would be interesting to better understand the mechanism behind this and whether it can be scientifically evaluated and demonstrated to be beneficial to our health.

Gonzo

 

[Galaxia2002]

This remind me of homeopathy and why there are also so much debate around it. Water is not attracted by magnets, but is repelled, because is a diamagnetic material.

From wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism

Demonstrations of diamagnetism

Curving water surfaces

If a powerful magnet (such as a supermagnet) is covered with a layer of water (that is thin compared to the diameter of the magnet) then the field of the magnet significantly repels the water. This causes a slight dimple in the water's surface that may be seen by its reflection

Maybe in the water charger, what could happend is that water organizes itself in a way that minimize the repulsive interactions and keeps that "memory" through the famous hydrogen bridges and that affect the biology in anyway.
In homeopathy has been speculated that the effect comes from that "water memory" because the concentration of the active molecules is so low with successive dilution that can't explain the effects.

Maybe is not as simple, we don't know what happend when you point your thinking (in this case have well being from drinking a water) and you have magnets or crystals in the middle. The placebo effect could also be responsible.
In any case it would be fine to do an experiment, water plants by a given time, keeping light, amount of water and other parameters equal and see if there are any change in its development compared with plants watered with normal water.

 

[Gonzo]

Experimenting with plants could be interesting, although there are several unknown factors that could skew the results, such as differences between plants and humans, i would think such experiments should at least be performed in a double blind configuration to remove any effect on the plants that the person running the experiment might have if they know which water is charged and which plants get such an application. As well, one should consider whether the magnetism is affecting the water molecules of the mineral content of the water, which could make the experiment even more difficult, since one wouldn't know whether to use purified, demineralized water or water from a natural source, not to mention the difficulties in mineral content variability, from one source to another.

Forgive the digression, but it reminds me of an experiment a kid did a while back, comparing the effects regular water with microwaved water had on plants. I seem to recall he assumed microwave ovens did something negative to the water, since the plants that received the microwaved water perished (_http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp).

Unfortunately, the budding scientist did not have adequate controls and the results are therefore questionable. Even more unfortunately, too many people used the results as a reason to continue believing that microwaved food is somehow toxic.

Gonzo

 

[ec1968]

@ Megan,
In addition to the link I provided in the OP, here's a couple more...
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/magnetite.htm

http://ormuswater.vpinf.com/#mozTocId904030

I don't necessarily agree with the conclusions reached by Dr. Milewski on the mechanism of charging involved, I have my own ideas, but then I have no solid proof either. All I can say is that I have done a lot of research and experimentation with charged water, and these things do work. There is something special about magnetite, (Fe3O4), as has been discussed in the forum here. I have run water through magnetic fields in a variety of configurations, and it does not exhibit the same properties as these chargers produce.
I've tried a lot of different devices, and frankly most are bunk. I'm not trying to sell anything here, I just found something that works so I'm passing it along.

Cheers,

AJ

AJ

Have you done any proper scientific studies of the magnetite water you're producing. You know - double blind trials with untreated water to ascertain that the effects you are experiencing are real? Given what I know about the structure of the water molecule and how it behaves I often find some of the OTT claims made for simple H2O would make it more than miraculous. I am not suggesting that yours is an OTT claim - just wondering if you gave subjected it to vigorous testing?

 

[Average Joe]

This remind me of homeopathy and why there are also so much debate around it. Water is not attracted by magnets, but is repelled, because is a diamagnetic material.

From wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism

Demonstrations of diamagnetism

Curving water surfaces

If a powerful magnet (such as a supermagnet) is covered with a layer of water (that is thin compared to the diameter of the magnet) then the field of the magnet significantly repels the water. This causes a slight dimple in the water's surface that may be seen by its reflection

Maybe in the water charger, what could happend is that water organizes itself in a way that minimize the repulsive interactions and keeps that "memory" through the famous hydrogen bridges and that affect the biology in anyway.
In homeopathy has been speculated that the effect comes from that "water memory" because the concentration of the active molecules is so low with successive dilution that can't explain the effects.

Maybe is not as simple, we don't know what happend when you point your thinking (in this case have well being from drinking a water) and you have magnets or crystals in the middle. The placebo effect could also be responsible.
In any case it would be fine to do an experiment, water plants by a given time, keeping light, amount of water and other parameters equal and see if there are any change in its development compared with plants watered with normal water.

Magnetite is a form of iron oxide. When it occasional becomes "permanently" magnetized, through formation in the Earth's crust, it is commonly referred to as Loadstone. The magnetite I use is not magnetized and does not generate a magnetic field. It is merely para magnetic.
Milewski did a number of experiments with plants resulting in fairly dramatic results.

I am well aware of the placebo effect, which is a form of wishful thinking. As far as I'm concerned, it either works or it doesn't.